Comments on: The O6 and Ben are going “back” to the island http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: cappayne http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-1092 cappayne Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:15:14 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-1092 lostfan- very interesting to bring up the possibility that Ben and Hawking's meeting didn't necessarilly have to be off the island. Is there nothing in that scene that would relate to the real world? lostfan- very interesting to bring up the possibility that Ben and Hawking’s meeting didn’t necessarilly have to be off the island. Is there nothing in that scene that would relate to the real world?

]]> By: lostfan http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-1089 lostfan Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:03:47 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-1089 If we go with the theory that the 06 are getting back on the island by boarding flight 815 again ,wouldn't that mean this probably won't happen until the final season or near end? It seems too long of a wait. I really like this idea but am having trouble seeing it through and what exactly it will mean. How exactly will the o6 get back to that time to board the flight again. I like to think that ben knows the outcome of it all and has been able to travel in time off and on or from the island. I didn't believe he would stand by while his daughter was shot unless he already knows she is alive in the future, but now the rules have been changed because she was apparently killed. Also the room where he is with mrs hawkings...is that on or off the island. Could it be the place he told alex to go becasue it was the only safe place on the island....The Temple? could this be where he travels from? I know this is also an out there theory, but hey...just thinking out loud If we go with the theory that the 06 are getting back on the island by boarding flight 815 again ,wouldn’t that mean this probably won’t happen until the final season or near end? It seems too long of a wait.

I really like this idea but am having trouble seeing it through and what exactly it will mean.

How exactly will the o6 get back to that time to board the flight again.

I like to think that ben knows the outcome of it all and has been able to travel in time off and on or from the island. I didn’t believe he would stand by while his daughter was shot unless he already knows she is alive in the future, but now the rules have been changed because she was apparently killed.

Also the room where he is with mrs hawkings…is that on or off the island. Could it be the place he told alex to go becasue it was the only safe place on the island….The Temple? could this be where he travels from? I know this is also an out there theory, but hey…just thinking out loud

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-590 dabiatchishere Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:53:32 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-590 Jukin, I think you have provided the right information to substantiate your theory. I'd love to know what your thoughts are on Jacob's list! That is one mystery that has been killing me from the beginning. Please throw us a bone! lol Jukin, I think you have provided the right information to substantiate your theory.

I’d love to know what your thoughts are on Jacob’s list! That is one mystery that has been killing me from the beginning.

Please throw us a bone! lol

]]> By: Jukin http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-569 Jukin Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:48 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-569 Saucyrossy, I don't think the O6 caused the plane crash. That event appears to have been answered several seasons ago. Desmond was late getting back to that hatch following his fight with Kelvin that ended in Kelvin's death. My thought is simply that they go back in time and stage the fake crash before boarding the flight again - possibly in disguise and certainly using fake passports and identities. As for Locke needing to die, I think it makes more sense that he dies as a result of leaving the island during the loop - although I don't think his death is necessarily a physical requirement. When Richard tells him "you'll have to die" it could also mean that the impact of knowing he dies is the catalyst that convinces Jack & some of the others to want to return to the island. Saucyrossy, I don’t think the O6 caused the plane crash. That event appears to have been answered several seasons ago. Desmond was late getting back to that hatch following his fight with Kelvin that ended in Kelvin’s death. My thought is simply that they go back in time and stage the fake crash before boarding the flight again – possibly in disguise and certainly using fake passports and identities.

As for Locke needing to die, I think it makes more sense that he dies as a result of leaving the island during the loop – although I don’t think his death is necessarily a physical requirement. When Richard tells him “you’ll have to die” it could also mean that the impact of knowing he dies is the catalyst that convinces Jack & some of the others to want to return to the island.

]]> By: saucyrossy http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-519 saucyrossy Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:13:45 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-519 I like your theory and how it expanded on mine. However I don't think it makes sense for the O 6 to go back all the way to the beginning and fake the one plane and cause the other to really crash. To me it's more about the present than it is about the past. Like you said and I did, the O 6 are in the present, once Ben moved the wheel he made it so the Island could never go past that point, it is in a loop never able to move past that point. So about how Locke got off, it was stated by Alpert that for Locke to leave the time loop he would have to die. It makes sense mainly because if he dies then he is no longer apart of the time loop, he can move out of it. Now the confusing part. How can Locke die on the island, get off then be able to talk to Jack and meet with him and tell him that after they left bad things happened? That I am still going to think some more about but I suspect we will have our answers soon. I like your theory and how it expanded on mine.

However I don’t think it makes sense for the O 6 to go back all the way to the beginning and fake the one plane and cause the other to really crash.

To me it’s more about the present than it is about the past.
Like you said and I did, the O 6 are in the present, once Ben moved the wheel he made it so the Island could never go past that point, it is in a loop never able to move past that point.

So about how Locke got off, it was stated by Alpert that for Locke to leave the time loop he would have to die.

It makes sense mainly because if he dies then he is no longer apart of the time loop, he can move out of it. Now the confusing part. How can Locke die on the island, get off then be able to talk to Jack and meet with him and tell him that after they left bad things happened?

That I am still going to think some more about but I suspect we will have our answers soon.

]]> By: Jukin http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-516 Jukin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:39:51 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-516 "When Alpert visited Locke it was at an unspecified time in the future. There “When Alpert visited Locke it was at an unspecified time in the future. There

]]> By: AngeloComet http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-512 AngeloComet Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:04:52 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-512 When Alpert visited Locke it was at an unspecified time in the future. There's no way of knowing how far into the future that was - only that it was a point where the O6 were back home. "As much as people may hate the idea, the island is definitely in a time loop. We know this again because of Yemi When Alpert visited Locke it was at an unspecified time in the future. There’s no way of knowing how far into the future that was – only that it was a point where the O6 were back home.

“As much as people may hate the idea, the island is definitely in a time loop. We know this again because of Yemi

]]> By: Jukin http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-510 Jukin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:43:49 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-510 Dabs- Thanks much! I just read your theory on Foucault's Pendulum and in my opinion, it's definately looking in the right direction! Excellent work! Andre7- I don't want to say too much about Jacob's list simply because I'm still working out that theory. Basically I'm thinking that there are several other people who have been to the island and are now looking for a way to return (Libby being one of them) who find their way to flight 815. Those who have "returned" to the island have to be separated from those who are making their first trip. These are the people who are to be taken and appear on Jacob's list. As for Hurley at the airport, I'm not following you. He wasn't one of the people who were manipulated into boarding that flight. I'm talking about people who wouldn't had been there if specific events didn't happen - Eko was given a passport by a man in the confessional and then suddenly assigned to travel to LA on Church business. Sawyer was arrested and told he would avoid jail if he left on the next flight out (815). Claire was given the ticket by Richard Malkin as a means of placing the baby for adoption in LA.... there are a lot of people who were placed on that flight in some way. That's the manipulation I'm talking about. Lastly the idea of the island skipping backwards was in reference to the date Dec. 31, 2004 - the date the O6 left. The time jumps the island has experienced seem to all be prior to that date (although they do move forward they have yet to move forward beyond 12/31/04). Dabs- Thanks much! I just read your theory on Foucault’s Pendulum and in my opinion, it’s definately looking in the right direction! Excellent work!

Andre7- I don’t want to say too much about Jacob’s list simply because I’m still working out that theory. Basically I’m thinking that there are several other people who have been to the island and are now looking for a way to return (Libby being one of them) who find their way to flight 815. Those who have “returned” to the island have to be separated from those who are making their first trip. These are the people who are to be taken and appear on Jacob’s list.

As for Hurley at the airport, I’m not following you. He wasn’t one of the people who were manipulated into boarding that flight. I’m talking about people who wouldn’t had been there if specific events didn’t happen – Eko was given a passport by a man in the confessional and then suddenly assigned to travel to LA on Church business. Sawyer was arrested and told he would avoid jail if he left on the next flight out (815). Claire was given the ticket by Richard Malkin as a means of placing the baby for adoption in LA…. there are a lot of people who were placed on that flight in some way. That’s the manipulation I’m talking about.

Lastly the idea of the island skipping backwards was in reference to the date Dec. 31, 2004 – the date the O6 left. The time jumps the island has experienced seem to all be prior to that date (although they do move forward they have yet to move forward beyond 12/31/04).

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-506 Andre7 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:21:42 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-506 Wow ! That's a lot to digest in one sitting. My knee-jerk reaction would be to disagree about Chas. Widmore not being the force behind the crash... It would, however explain how Tom has a complete dossier on how it was done to show Michael in New York. Can you elaborate on why specific people would be on Jacob's list for recovery? Also, if you watch Hurley's numbers run to get on the flight you have to wonder how this could be some manipulation... Notice the island is not just skipping back. The beachcraft crashes. John encounters Ethan. Skip FOREWARD. Now the beachcraft is covering the Pearl hatch. John encounters Richard. Skip BACKWARDS, Now the Beachcraft is back on the ledge. Skip further BACK and so on... I do love the part about how the island is moving from place to place as well as through time. Yemi's plane having a limited range has always bothered me. How could it find its way into the middle of the Pacific. It is not equipped with spare fuel tanks inside... But if the island MOVED closer to the continent of Africa... If you are right about the island waiting for the 06 to get back in order to do a time course correction (and I am betting you are) then that is going to be one MAJOR course correction! Wow ! That’s a lot to digest in one sitting.

My knee-jerk reaction would be to disagree about Chas. Widmore not being the force behind the crash… It would, however explain how Tom has a complete dossier on how it was done to show Michael in New York.

Can you elaborate on why specific people would be on Jacob’s list for recovery? Also, if you watch Hurley’s numbers run to get on the flight you have to wonder how this could be some manipulation…

Notice the island is not just skipping back. The beachcraft crashes. John encounters Ethan. Skip FOREWARD. Now the beachcraft is covering the Pearl hatch. John encounters Richard. Skip BACKWARDS, Now the Beachcraft is back on the ledge. Skip further BACK and so on…

I do love the part about how the island is moving from place to place as well as through time. Yemi’s plane having a limited range has always bothered me. How could it find its way into the middle of the Pacific. It is not equipped with spare fuel tanks inside… But if the island MOVED closer to the continent of Africa…

If you are right about the island waiting for the 06 to get back in order to do a time course correction (and I am betting you are) then that is going to be one MAJOR course correction!

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/01/the-o6-and-ben-are-going-back-to-the-island/#comment-505 dabiatchishere Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:52 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=200#comment-505 Jukin, I really like your thought process on some of the issues at hand. In particular, I love the idea that it could have been the '06' who staged the fake plane crash. It makes perfectly good sense, that 'the island' has physically moved, via Yemi's plane. Nice catch on that one! Jukin, I really like your thought process on some of the issues at hand.

In particular, I love the idea that it could have been the ’06′ who staged the fake plane crash.

It makes perfectly good sense, that ‘the island’ has physically moved, via Yemi’s plane. Nice catch on that one!

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