Comments on: How to get to and from an island… http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: pjdkrunkt http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-20924 pjdkrunkt Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:11:17 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-20924 Oh man, that's pretty bad! Compounded with magnetic disturbances and storm turbulence, it's amazing anything survives a fly-over! Oh man, that’s pretty bad! Compounded with magnetic disturbances and storm turbulence, it’s amazing anything survives a fly-over!

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-20917 Andre7 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:38:23 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-20917 pjdkrunkt: I grant you that the airdrops seem the likeliest solution of what has been presented so far on the show. As a side note, I just read a book by Robert Zubrin of the Mars society in which he describes how the us military did them a favor and air dropped vital components for an arctic station to the island of Devon from 1000 feet for them. The general in charge told him they always have about 78% success rate. This means nearly one quarter of everything that gets airdropped either gets dropped way off from the target or the chutes do not open. That was the case with the supplies they dropped. Of 5 palettes only four reached the ground safely (albeit up to 2 kilometers off target). The fifth palette was a mess. Hopefully the DI people are better at their business than the US military! Or they have redundancy built in to their resupply drops. pjdkrunkt:
I grant you that the airdrops seem the likeliest solution of what has been presented so far on the show.

As a side note, I just read a book by Robert Zubrin of the Mars society in which he describes how the us military did them a favor and air dropped vital components for an arctic station to the island of Devon from 1000 feet for them.

The general in charge told him they always have about 78% success rate. This means nearly one quarter of everything that gets airdropped either gets dropped way off from the target or the chutes do not open.

That was the case with the supplies they dropped. Of 5 palettes only four reached the ground safely (albeit up to 2 kilometers off target). The fifth palette was a mess.

Hopefully the DI people are better at their business than the US military! Or they have redundancy built in to their resupply drops.

]]> By: pjdkrunkt http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-20837 pjdkrunkt Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:44:17 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-20837 Construction materials, supplies, food etc. would probably be airdropped just like that one crate of food that was apparently intended for the Swan crew that the Losties intercepted. I can't remember all of the details of that episode, but someone paid to do an airdrop over the island, and given explicit directions to only follow a specific heading could safely make the trip without much trouble. An air drop is cheap, effective, fast, and doesn't require any knowledge on the part of the airplane crew to do their job. Vehicles and even temporary structures can be airdropped no problem, the military has been airdropping tanks since WWII. If you can airdrop a tank, you can airdrop a VW Bus! Construction materials, supplies, food etc. would probably be airdropped just like that one crate of food that was apparently intended for the Swan crew that the Losties intercepted. I can’t remember all of the details of that episode, but someone paid to do an airdrop over the island, and given explicit directions to only follow a specific heading could safely make the trip without much trouble. An air drop is cheap, effective, fast, and doesn’t require any knowledge on the part of the airplane crew to do their job. Vehicles and even temporary structures can be airdropped no problem, the military has been airdropping tanks since WWII. If you can airdrop a tank, you can airdrop a VW Bus!

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-20811 Andre7 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:29:50 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-20811 Partial answer from Lost writers is contained in the 5 part mockumentary exposé made available on ABC.com in the past couple of months. The narrator talks about the submarine and suggests that it could have been used to ship supplies and materials to a pacific island as submarines did in World War II. I have read a fair bit about WWII and aside from landing small groups of commandos, coast watchers and other covert missions, submarines (to my knowledge) were not used to ship large quantities of materials or supplies. Their very design makes such an endeavour laughable. The only openings to the interior are a couple of narrow hathes and some torpedo tubes. The whole thing seems lame and inefficient to me. Sorry if I am flogging a dead horse to some of you, but I am still interested in hear a feasible explanation to how Dharma built everything they did within the time frame and using the resources we see on the show. Partial answer from Lost writers is contained in the 5 part mockumentary exposé made available on ABC.com in the past couple of months.

The narrator talks about the submarine and suggests that it could have been used to ship supplies and materials to a pacific island as submarines did in World War II.

I have read a fair bit about WWII and aside from landing small groups of commandos, coast watchers and other covert missions, submarines (to my knowledge) were not used to ship large quantities of materials or supplies. Their very design makes such an endeavour laughable. The only openings to the interior are a couple of narrow hathes and some torpedo tubes. The whole thing seems lame and inefficient to me.

Sorry if I am flogging a dead horse to some of you, but I am still interested in hear a feasible explanation to how Dharma built everything they did within the time frame and using the resources we see on the show.

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-8277 Andre7 Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:27:45 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-8277 Thanks for the info on submarines pjdkrunkt. Doubtful this one dates back all that far, but I had been wondering about a Jacques Cousteau type sub. Maybe Bill Murray will pop up in a cameo as the sub captain in 1974-1977! :) Thanks for the info on submarines pjdkrunkt.

Doubtful this one dates back all that far, but I had been wondering about a Jacques Cousteau type sub.

Maybe Bill Murray will pop up in a cameo as the sub captain in 1974-1977! :)

]]> By: pjdkrunkt http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-7679 pjdkrunkt Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:18:35 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-7679 BTW, submarines have been in constant use by the US military since the Civil War, so this could be a "lost" vessel from pretty much any period in time. BTW, submarines have been in constant use by the US military since the Civil War, so this could be a “lost” vessel from pretty much any period in time.

]]> By: pjdkrunkt http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-7678 pjdkrunkt Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:16:10 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-7678 I can't remember when, but someone indicated at some point that the sub was very old. My guess is that the sub is WWII era and arrived with the people setting up Jughead. The island is nearly impossible for a large ship to navigate closely to because of the reef... which provides protection. Of course, the submarine is too small to carry Jughead or the materials for the structure it's held-by, but it is large enough to carry a crew to and from a ship, and that crew could have setup an airstrip. The open field we see the others camping in in Jughead looks like as good a place to land an airplane as any. As far as private ownership of submaries goes, sure, there are many subs in private ownership and use and there's quite a bit of old military vehicles in use all over the world today. It is not improbable to imagine a WWII-era diesel powered sub in private ownership and restored or kept in running operation. There are also many submarines in private use through research institutes and exploration and treasure hunting ventures. Jacques Custeau was designing submarines for research use as early as 1953, so by the time of Dharma, there were certainly privately produced submarines in-use around the world. I can’t remember when, but someone indicated at some point that the sub was very old. My guess is that the sub is WWII era and arrived with the people setting up Jughead. The island is nearly impossible for a large ship to navigate closely to because of the reef… which provides protection. Of course, the submarine is too small to carry Jughead or the materials for the structure it’s held-by, but it is large enough to carry a crew to and from a ship, and that crew could have setup an airstrip. The open field we see the others camping in in Jughead looks like as good a place to land an airplane as any.

As far as private ownership of submaries goes, sure, there are many subs in private ownership and use and there’s quite a bit of old military vehicles in use all over the world today. It is not improbable to imagine a WWII-era diesel powered sub in private ownership and restored or kept in running operation. There are also many submarines in private use through research institutes and exploration and treasure hunting ventures. Jacques Custeau was designing submarines for research use as early as 1953, so by the time of Dharma, there were certainly privately produced submarines in-use around the world.

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-7667 Andre7 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:47:14 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-7667 And another thing... When does the submarine come into comission? How old is that thing? Can someone (or some corporation) privately own a submarine? And another thing… When does the submarine come into comission? How old is that thing? Can someone (or some corporation) privately own a submarine?

]]> By: Andre7 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-7666 Andre7 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:45:36 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-7666 Today someone asked how Richard and the Hostiles traveled off the island pre-Dharma purge. Good question. I think it ties in with this discussion. We see Richard on island in 1954 then off in 1956. There is a suggestion of his influence off island in the 1960s when Locke is attending high school as well. Today someone asked how Richard and the Hostiles traveled off the island pre-Dharma purge. Good question. I think it ties in with this discussion.

We see Richard on island in 1954 then off in 1956. There is a suggestion of his influence off island in the 1960s when Locke is attending high school as well.

]]> By: poohbear http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/how-to-get-to-and-from-an-island/#comment-7132 poohbear Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:45:30 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=973#comment-7132 i would have to go with cappaynes answer best. i never really thought of all that in this perspective, the logistics is mindboggling cause the freighter is only so big,they would have had to do multiple trips for so much construction. and also getting past the hostiles would have to be an ordeal unless they were escorted by military protection. i would have to go with cappaynes answer best.
i never really thought of all that in this perspective, the logistics is mindboggling cause the freighter is only so big,they would have had to do multiple trips for so much construction. and also getting past the hostiles would have to be an ordeal unless they were escorted by military protection.

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