Comments on: Catch 22: Desmond and fate

By: Mamey

Mamey — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:37:23 +0000

Good thoughts guys. I’ve been very busy with university.
A side note and/or question I’ve had since season 3: why did desmond’s flashes stopped (after Charlie’s death) and why were they (the flashes) only and specifically about Charlie diying?

By: LostHead

LostHead — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:31:01 +0000

I also think Des is important. I just want to add that I have been curious how the Desmond/Charles Widmore relationship will play out, now that we know how special Des is and how much Charles seems not to like him. I wonder if Charles will try and exploit this later if he were to find out how special Des is. Regardless I think this will have a greater significance later on. We will see.

By: Thomas5

Thomas5 — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:21:57 +0000

Yeah that is very interesting, why did he have to GET them to come along, wouldn’t they have been there anyway. Very good observation.

By: dabiatchishere

dabiatchishere — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:57:20 +0000

Hi stone, I have always believed Desmond has the ability to alter the course future events.

He demonstrated this, when he chose the manner in which Charlie would die.

With a little fine tuning of this skill, who knows what Desmond is capable of accomplishing!

Very enjoyable post!

By: stone

stone — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:46:02 +0000

Oh well, we already knew Des is special, so it’s not any new what I’m saying but ok. lol

By: stone

stone — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:42:57 +0000

Charlie dying and Claire getting on the heli with Aron as I wrote in my comment above, is obviously another vision than the one this post is about. Thought it might be a little unclear.

By: stone

stone — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:36:26 +0000

Dabs, you just mentioned something important, which I had kinda forgotten. Thanks for the input

Desmond’s visions aren’t always 100% accurate. He sees Charlie dying and Claire getting on the heli with Aron. Claire, as we all know, did not get on the heli.

This means that his vision of Charlie’s death and Naomi coming out of the sky did not necessarily had to become real (or in other words; wasn’t necessarily supposed to happen).

Had he not seen that vision, they probably wouldn’t have gone on that ‘trip’, and who knows what could have happened. It could have turned out very different, maybe the losties would’ve never left the island.

That’s what buggers me; Des made sure they found Naomi, just because he had that vision.

I think Desmond has a major influence on events and the future. He can change the future -and not just small, unimportant events- but major events as well.

By: dabiatchishere

dabiatchishere — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:13:37 +0000

Hi stone! Initially, Desmond did not know how his ‘visions’ worked. He believed Penny was coming to ‘the island’.

In his vision he was accompanied by Jin, Hurley and Charlie, and saw Charlie’s death.

Desmond believed his ‘vision’ would only come true, if he duplicated the exact circumstances. However, when it came down to allowing Charlie to die, he ultimately saves him.

As it turned out, his ‘vision’ was flawed. It was Naomi, not Penny that was found, and saving Charlie didn’t change the outcome.

Desmond learned, that his ‘visions’ were not always 100% accurate.

By: stone

stone — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:50:56 +0000

indeed poohbear. But my actual point was that just BECAUSE Desmond sees Charlie, Hurley and Jin in his flashes, he himself asks them to come with him. It seems then that the flashes are a means to make sure Charlie, Hurley and Jin (and Des) go on the ‘trip’. I don’t really know how to explain it well especially since English isn’t my native language But I think it’s weird that Desmond asks Charlie, Hurley and Jin to come with him BECAUSE he has flashes wherein those 3 are involved. Maybe they weren’t supposed to go on the trip and find Naomi, which probably would have lead to a whole different outcome of the freighter-issue. Desmond actually made sure almost all by himself that they did go on the trip, and that they did find Naomi.

By: bigdaveg

bigdaveg — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:43:01 +0000

Stone im the same as you I don’t know which is which, im just going to let the writers tell me seems easier that way. I like the way u’ve written this and I have to agree why did Desmond need to ask them to come?

The only thing I can think of as an alternative is that maybe that’s how time originally played out. ooooooohhhhh my head hurts again this is the chicken and the egg, please someone solve it so I can sleep at night