A lot of people on this site have taken sides on different issues (faith, time travel, etc.) based on the sayings of different characters in the show (and what else do we have to go on really?)
Could we come up with a scale of credibility as to what sources of information are accurate and what sources are doubtful?
From 1 to 10 for example
Anything Daniel Faraday says on the subject of TIME TRAVEL as it applies to theoretical physics gets a 9 out of 10. As it applies to practical or applied physics it may get a 6 as it is un-proven until it is proven.
Anything coming out of Benjamin Linus’ mouth gets an automatic 0 or 1 until it is proven to be true.
Jack on medecine or pathology (for example the dating of Adam and Eve, or the effects and horrible death as a result of his cutting Sawyer off from antibiotics) may get a 6 or an 8 as it approaches his own area of expertise.
Hurley on food and comic book heroes (I mean come on, would you really side with Charlie over Hurley on the whole Superman vs Flash debate?) 8 or 9 out of 10.
Can you think of other examples?
Does anyone else get the impression that the hospital scene between Desmond and Penny was written as a coda to their story?
It is like the writers are saying these two have been through enough, they deserve a happy ending.
Here it is. Desmond says ‘I promised you I would never leave you again’ they kiss, fade to black. We will never see them again. To seal the deal they have Hawking apologize to Desmond through Penny, and changing her tune from ‘The island is not finished with you’ to ‘I do not know what will happen next’ and Charles saying in front of the hospital that he will not interfere with her life again, sealing any speculations about his future manipulations.
Ben is gone so there will be no further Vendettas and Daniel is dead so he will not be using Desmond as a conduit for his manipulations ever again (or ever before?).
As much as I love Desmond I would not be too terribly disapointed if Henry Ian Cusak were not seen again in the rest of the series. It is not a grand send off but it is a fitting one.
The lines are about to be drawn and it looks like the real battle is between. It isn’t a battle between Ben and Widmore as we thought but rather between Ellie and Widmore and the battle will be over who is right about the nature of time. To set off the bomb they survivors will change the very fabric of time and no one knows whether or not it will cause the future to change or cause everyone, or even the world, to blink out of existence. Ellie wants her son to live I suspect and Charles doesn’t want to risk the existence of the world.
Ellie knows that her son travels back in time and that Jack is there, thus why she wants to send the Oceanic 6 back to the island. Perhaps her goal is to destroy the island as well or that there is some need to have explosions in both the past and present thus why her agents (the Ajira passengers) have a package.
Widmore already tried to take control of the island to protect it and specifically take Ben off of it. He must have thought that he succeeded when Ben talked to him off the island, he could never find the island again, of course. But Ben is back and Widmore knows that Ben will either do something disastrous or join Ellie’s side. Perhaps Ben already is on her side judging by the way he reacted when Locke told him her name and how he seemed to be working with her to get Jack back.
But Widmore has his own weapons that even he doesn’t know about. The first of these is John Locke. Widmore wanted Locke on the island for the War that was coming. In fact he had known Locke needed to be on the island his whole life which is why he had Abbadon get him on flight 815. When Locke was killed Widmore may have thought that he had lost the war already because I suspect that he didn’t know that Locke would come back to life.
Which brings us to Widmore’s other weapon: the island itself. The island commanded Ben to not betray Locke, brought John back to life, and I think chose to have Ben, Sun, and Locke start separated from the others and safe. The island doesn’t want Ellie to win. I’m not sure if this also encompasses Jacob or Richard but I suspect that it does.
From the way that Ben bumped of Ceasar and how Ceasar didn’t trust anyone with information about the shotgun he may have been an agent working for Widmore. In that case he didn’t trust Locke because Widmore hadn’t filled him in. Perhaps he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It’s very important to know that 3 people know everything that is going to happen. Widmore, Hawthorn, and Richard. They all know what happens in the past up to a point where those in the past rejoin the present timeline and even they won’t know what’s happening for once like Ellie said.
I know this was a bit wishy washy and all over the place so in summery: The survivors will do something important back in the past that Ellie and Charles will see. They will disagree over what to do about it and separate (it may be these differences that later inspire her and Ben to kick him off the island). Locke does something that Charles agrees with and Jack does something that Ellie agrees with. Ben works for or supports the ideas of Ellie though I don’t think that he knows what lies in the shadow of the statue because after all, would you trust Ben?
I would just love it if in the final season, it really gets wild and we see our favorite characters in really great space outfits (likes of Star Trek), get on a spaceship and take off from earth (with Children and Vincent, of course). Just something completely unexpected and completely sci fi. Just a thought.
HA…..i saw the beggining of the unusual last night…i dont ever watch that show but it had harold perrineau (michael) from lost and the lady asked him if the number 42 meant anything to him and he gave her a strange look…and she said does it have something to do with your fate or anythying? and he walked out….thought it was funny
Lets think about this for a moment. We know that Daniel’s hope was to influence the future enough to prevent the crash of 815. Jack is toying with this idea of ‘changing the future’ and here’s some of the scenarios that seem likely to cross his mind…
Please add your scenarios because this is truly going to be a fun thing to ponder, debate, and weigh out…for us and especially for the 1977 Losties.
So, besides some of the obvious, like Kate going to prison…
Claire – Lives – has Aaron, gives him to couple in LA
Charlie – Lives
Boone – Lives
Shannon – (Ugh) Lives
Locke – Um, alive…still…but paralyzed
Cindy – doesn’t become an Other?
the kids – stay with their mom
Ana Lucia – Lives
Libby – Lives
Michael – Lives, even though he did already live past 815 once before…
And then you have non-815 people (aka “The scenarios to cause confusion”):
Desmond – Hmmmm…stuck on island? Doesn’t reunite with Penny? Therefore, no little Charlie…
Ji-Yeon – who can’t exist because she was conceived on island…
I know that I am missing people, which is why you should add to these scenarios, but I think these are the what Jack could use as motivation, appealing to the idea that 815 lands in LA in 2004 could be for the greater good…
The “how” of course, is a completely different theory…and it starts in my mind with a little something foreshadowed with the Smoke Monster capable of erasing one’s memory…
Okay, with all the talk of Daniel Faraday does anyone have any ideas of where his last name may have come from? Mom = Eloise Hawking and Dad = Charles Widmore, so who Mr. Faraday?
Is her brain scrambled, too? Faraday seems to be apologizing to Widmore. “I tested it on myself. I wouldn’t do anything to hurt Teresa … “
Some ‘variable’ referencing below ————
In Faraday’s experiment w/Eloise, Desmond told him to set the whatever to whatever frequency/oscillation. The rat’s conscious was sent into the future as it now knew what it wouldn’t be learn for another hr.
So far, we’ve not seen anyone go to the future (that we know). Why – and how did Faraday know about doing it … had he been on a cycle on the island already?
Also, could only the conscious of the losties be in 1977 and the physical manifestation are still in 2004/7?
And, do you gain more knowledge as you pop around – if so, couldn’t Daniel still not be shot? Was his shooting a ‘correction’ of him attempting to save people meant not to be saved – and if so, were any of his theories meant to be since they couldn’t be developed? Did the island want the ChEloise spawn to exist at all … ?
The scene where Jack says to Daniel and Kate, “Run, I’ll cover” was incredibly stupid. I am very surprised the writers thought we would buy a Doctor having these kind of shooting skills.
Another great episode last night’ just thought I’d put down what I got out of it and see what you all thought.
Dan Faraday has returned and he’s on a mission to change the past. He confronts Dr. Chang and tries to tell him he’s from the future but, of course, Chang doesn’t believe him. He almost seems like he might go along when Dan tells Chang that Miles is his son. I think Chang can kind of sense this but then Miles tells him it’s not true. He told Chang about the incident though so maybe after that happens he’ll believe him.
Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley, Jin and Miles are headed to the beach camp. Well, that’s their plan anyway. Radzinsky seems to be in the way at the moment. Based on the DHARMA Booth Video I think they still have a little more work to do in DHARMAVille.
Jack, Kate and Dan run off to find the Hostiles to talk to Eloise (now definitely confirmed to be Dan’s mother). After a little shootout with Radzinsky and his buddies they’re off to the fence and into the jungle to find the Hostiles camp. Dan then explains the plan to Kate and Jack. He’s going to detonate the hydrogen bomb to destroy the electromagnetic build-up and change the past. His plan will prevent the crash of flight 815 and the visit to the island by the freighter. He says that the variables in the equation are the people… after he thought things through some more he’s decided that things can be changed! Oh my!
Well, just when it seems like we’re on the path to change things start to go the other way. Daniel gets shot by none other than Eloise Hawking, his mother. She doesn’t know that Dan is her son until it’s too late. We then see older Hawking talking with older Widmore about Sacrifice. It turns out that she knows that she killed Daniel. She knows that the guy she shot was her son and she knew that sending him back to the island would result in his death. The fact that she knows this later shows that what happened to Daniel wasn’t a change. This is just what happened. Nothing changed. Another example was when Daniel went ahead and talked to Charlotte even though he promised himself that he wouldn’t.
Now we have Jack and Kate running around knowing the plan and I can only assume that they’ll try to pick up where Dan left off. I can see some problems with this though’ Which one of Jack and Kate seems more likely to know how to detonate a hydrogen bomb? I’m not 100% sure of the process myself but I’m pretty sure you can’t just hit it with a rock and hope it explodes. Plus what does this mean for Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles and Hurley? Are they going to meet their end in a fiery explosion? Will there be no Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Jin or Hurley in season six? How about Kate, Frank, John and Ben? How will the detonation of a hydrogen bomb in the 1970s affect them? With those in the past I can see it’ they’d die on the island then, I suppose, find themselves back on the plane headed to LA’ but those in 2007 wouldn’t die. Would they just be stranded in some completely disconnected time on an island that used to be special but for some reason isn’t anymore?
Did I miss anything?
So we’ve seen a different side of Ben lately but as we all know he lies about anything and everything to get what he wants. He has lost his power because the Island has chosen John Locke to take over, but I don’t think he will go softly into the good night! We know there is a war coming and I think Ben has set it up to come out on top. I liked what Dabs said about that knowing look between him and Ilana. What is in that big case they have on the beach with them? Some sort of weapon? Possibly a bomb? The only way for someone else to get to the Island was to be on the plane with the 06 survivors which required planning. And we know Ben always has a plan.
So does anyone have any ideas on how the others/hostiles got on the island? I just noticed in the fun section someone posted that we know they were always there. I don’t think the show has ever explain how the others/hostiles got to the island. Any ideas? Happy Thursday everyone!!!
After watching THE VARIABLE last night, I rewatched the episode in which John Locke’s father is brought to the island. Ben says they got his dad from the magic box. I’m wondering now what else on the island has come from this ‘magic box’ The hydrogen bomb? Thoughts?
Nosebleed-crazy are for those who go back/forth/too near the island if they had been there before … so why didn’t Ben get them? I get the Others were always there so maybe they’re immune or something – but Ben should fall into the nosebleed thing, esp. since he went on/off quite a lot. Didja’ have to be at the time of the incident (e.g. if you can survive that you can survive anything)? Did the temple making him an Other cover this, too? This question has been driving me nuts.
LOL, does anybody think that Hugo is going to see ghostly Dan now is will end up saving everybody on the island? That would make an awsome season finale. LOL, Super Hugo!!!