Comments on: Not what happenend happenend but what will happen will happen

By: Samson

Samson — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:28:44 +0000

Desmond is my anomoly every1 keeps bringing him up but I will find a way to prove it’s not change even if I can’t it’s still fun trying to my problem with desmond is he traveled back into his own body so it’s harder to prove and I have proved it in my head I’m just having trouble getting it out on paper

By: Julietslover

Julietslover — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:09:12 +0000

im with ya AES… the Desmond getting hit with the bat instead of the other guy, im pretty sure “is” proof of something being changed. thats been my point all along on this post. people keep insisting that nothing can be changed, when in fact we have seen things change. and you cant say that he didnt change anything because what he saw had not happened yet… because if you believe desmond is truly time traveling, or conscious traveling to the future, then yes, it does happen. and because it doesnt happen to the person it is supposed to happen to, then that in itself is something that changed. i got your back AES….

By: Samson

Samson — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:29:50 +0000

@aes so do you think des has 2 seperate memorys of the same incident with the cricket bat or do you think his second time around replaced the first memory because if he has 2seperate memorys then I don’t beleve you can say he change anything because to him they are 2 seperate incidents in his time line. Does that make sence I’m having trouble trying to get in down on paper so other people will understand what I mean

By: admin

admin — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:23:55 +0000

@A.E.S – The whole Miles will die comment – is that a spoiler or speculation??

By: ekolocation

ekolocation — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:26:21 +0000

lol aes. no proof that change will not occur. we have no proof that anything will or will not occur. sigh.

oh and did you scene with desmond seeing the bartender getting hit with the bat before? no you are simply TRUSTING desmond. but you cant trust miles. or faraday. thats odd

By: highbrow

highbrow — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:10:03 +0000

AES, I’m not getting into this again. I’m tired of listening to arguments based on arbitrarily discounting what one character says and arbitrarily elevating what another says. And I certainly don’t appreciate being called stupid.

By: mojo

mojo — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:04:32 +0000

I don’t think it has to be one way or the other. This show is all about combining science and faith, fate and free will, all kinds of religious and mythological beliefs, etc.
Maybe it will boil down to things are not supposed to change, but in the end determination, just like Locke’s persistence, leads to some minor change ending in a butterfly effect larger change. Maybe the electromagnetic energy prevented change, and now that it has been tampered with, a change will occur. Maybe that is the incident.

Just like there IS faith and science in this show, but you can argue forever they can not mutually exist, I think whatever happened happened and course correction are going to coexist on this show. Somehow.
can’t we all just get along?

By: A.E.S.

A.E.S. — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:10 +0000

Miles is as stupid/gullible as anyone that believes him. I love how everyone meets a character for 5 or 6 episodes and goes, “Miles is the smart one, he is correct, he caused the incident and is the key to Lost” We should definetly believe Miles, hes been on for ALMOST a season and judging by all the questions he asked upon first timetravelling, obviously knows exactly what is going on.
Ill be keeping an eye on Miles…so that I wont miss his death by the end of the season, that will occure in a manner most likely from him being a (wrong) crybaby that will parish because he cannot let go of his daddy issues…
Miles is a schmuck, and blind by his own ego, and does…have a much worse ‘power’ than Hurley…
Cant wait for Miles to be dead so all Miles Club can stop posting pointless Miles remarks…
Highbrow, please show US all some PROOF that CHANGE WONT OCCURE…Im curious, where did they SHOW that….hold on….

I want to pick up the cricket bat that Desmond was hit with on his timetraveling journey into the past in which he changed what already happened…wouldnt want you to trip on that….

By: highbrow

highbrow — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:17:53 +0000

Kim, push-ups work the pectorals, biceps and triceps much more than the deltoids. Another Lost mystery explained!

Why does the Hurley/Miles conversation have to point to change? It simply serves to point out a major unsolved mystery and to make fun of us, the viewer/theorist/fanatic. Besides, Miles won that debate.

By: kimberly

kimberly — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:33:56 +0000

I’m late for all the fun…

In regard to the theory: I agree that our mysterious, Egyptian-laden, Smoke Monster infested, ageless Richard occupying, whisper filled jungle island show isn’t going to exactly be all about “what happened in the DHARMA days.” Sure, we are going to be getting a ton of backstory on WHY they were there and what they were trying to do, but not exactly all about them and how the Losties were woven into the past and future of DHARMA’s experiments.

(That doesn’t mean that I rule out the emergence of DI3000 or whatever Highbrow named it.)

I am still with Dabs on this one.

The Miles/Hurley debate was no misplaced, “coincidental” conversation. The writers knew this is exactly where we would all be, choosing sides, black vs. white, fate vs. free will, etc.

Why have Desmond Hume (and Eloise Hawking and Matthew Abaddon) in this show if there was not the possibility of change or perhaps, “redirecting” the desired outcome of events?

It doesn’t mean that change has happened YET. (Although, I tend to think that it has.)

It means that we are coming to the place where timelines are ‘off’ – for crying out loud we have people living their SECOND 1977s! So there has to be something CRAZY and illogical and science-fictiony like “change is possible” in where we are headed as the timelines potentially ‘realign’. Or, I guess Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles, Hurley and Daniel all die somewhere in their ‘second round’ of 1977 after they did what they were there to do that they always did.

That’s why I think the idea of change, although uncomfortable, is no less impossible than all the other crazy things that happen.

And we wouldn’t have any real, necessary storyline ‘tension’ if we weren’t toying with it, right?

Otherwise it would just be blah blah blah why does Kate have such huge shoulders and we never see her doing push-ups? blah blah blah why is Jack’s ego bigger than Hurley’s chin? blah blah blah is Juliet the devil? blah blah blah…