Post-Season Ideas and answers…(part 1)
Alright, there is a lot of speculation flying now, and I am going to try and address a few of the situations that seem to be hot topics.
These are things that bother me, and although I obviously have no idea for real, there are some subtle hints thrown about, that may be interesting and carry more weight than first heard.
The age old timeloop question…
Is the island in a timeloop, and if so, why dont the losties remember what happened.
Well, for starters, they havent experienced it in 2004 yet, so they would never know what happened, unless the past was changed, and someone went and told them about being there, to which they probably wouldnt believe them anyway.
Regardless, there is a great post by Thorn about the timeloop idea, and comments on its possibilty.
In the theory comments, I state that nobody would know of the timeloop except for Jacob and the man who he speaks to at the beginning regarding the loophole (such a subtle clue, no?) and BlackRock.
There is a good rebuttal regarding if its a loop, how could it end?
A great question, and hopefully my answer will suffice.
Think of it as a 800 meter track race. That would be two laps around a four hundred meter track, or 400 meter loop if you will. With that idea, you think about the way in which the scenario works. Just because you come to the end of the first loop in the race, doesnt mean that it disappears, and another appears. The second (loop)half of the race begins, from the same place the first loop previously ended.
If there are seemingly immortal beings, who if the speculation is true, have seen the end of what we believe to be everything, then they would be the only ones who would know how it ends before it actually does.
I have said a few times in other theories, that the losties will not experience the loop as the island (the island as a character, not sticks and stones), or as Jacob would, if he is actually not a fool, and out of the grasp of time and space.
With that in mind, lets talk about the next thing smashed into this a little.
I have said before in posts that the only way there could be no change, is if there is a loop, in regards to Ben and John turning the wheel. If Ben turns the wheel in 2004, and sends the island jumping in time, hence John turning the wheel, and placing the isalnd in the 70s at the end of the setting of the FDW, the only way that this would not repeat itself, is if change occurs, and Ben never turns the wheel to begin with.
I admit, there must have been other periods in which the wheel was turned, most obvious being by the polar bears with the DI. But still, I imagine with all the technology, this is not the beginning of the wheel. They probably would have just done the Orchid, rather than use an old ancient wheel. Meaning, that in order for the losties to stop everything from truly happening, they would have to travel back to the timeperiod of when the wheel is first turned, and not only stop it from happening, but destroy the wheel as well…before it has a chance to be used. (100% speculation)
There have been several examples of what I believe to be foreshadowing of loops. Too many to even get into, but if you search any good loop theory, you will find a enough to at least give some sort of foreshadowing of a timeloop.
I think what the problem is, is the camera is still pulling back, and not shown us, the presumptuous theorists, a full view of everything going on.
We have been trying to piece together a timeloop theory, based upon the scenes we have been given us through the first 5 plus seasons. Thinking that what we are seeing is the important part of the show, in terms of looping. When in reality, the words from Jacob regarding the end, and everything before being progress, leads me to believe that we are out of our league, and the REAL loop, may be the loop of time that is humanity or the earth/universe as we know it.
I have many answers and ideas on the possibility of a timeloop, and a very strong belief that change will occur. Any questions will be answered to the best of my ability, and look foreward to hearing and answering all I am able to. I won dwell on these two ideas, I wouldnt do that ;]
For now, on to a few more thoughts…
Jacob is dead…
As even the producers have said, “dead” is not always dead on lost.
Two things come to mind when people assume this.
One being the idea that since the MIB is able to take the form of Locke, that a physical form means nothing to these two particular individuals.
If someone were to kill the Anti-Locke, would that mean the being taking his form is dead?
For all we know, the physical form of either of these two men in the opening scene, could be nothing more than the same idea that the physical form of Locke is actually MIB.
The second spawns from the timeloop idea, and proves a little more thought.
If the two men have seen the future, and knows where something ends, whether the island or humanity/earth/universe; the only way that Jacob could be dead is if something changed, otherwise…he is still alive in some way.
Smokey is the MIB from the opening scene of the finale…
This thought is a very big theory getter, that people seem to truly believe. And I for one admit that the thought crossed my mind until I rewatched the finale, and saw a scene that shook it from my mind.
When Anti-Locke and Ben are discussing the incident that occured in the “temple”, when Alex appeared to him, and threatened destruction if he didnt follow John’s every word, John stops him in a moment of true happiness, and says something to the jist of,
“You mean you have to listen to everything I say?”.
Ben replies “Yes…”
And Anti-Locke goes on to say, “Well then I guess I wont have to convince you after all.”
And we all know what that led to… the killing of Jacob.
But as many have said, and I agree with to a point, is that Jacob wanted to die. Now I wouldnt say he wanted to die, but he was prepared to, and I think that his standing there and accepting what Ben and Anti-Locke did to him, knowing who the man with Ben truly was by his “loophole” comment.
Now I dont think that Jacob wished for Ben to stab him, but he seemed prepared, knowing that a loophole was discovered by MIB, and walking right up to accept his fate.
He may not have known that Ben would stab him, but he knew that he had been had by Anti-Locke, and with all he has been through and seen, I was not surprised by his reaction, although I was surprised by Anti-Locke kicking him in the fire. I thought that because jacob was not dead yet, he would not be able to play a hand in the whole thing for whatever reason, but thats neither here nor there.
Well, a short theory for the moment. Hopefully some feedback and questions will help me expand on the previous major thoughts, why the timeloop is possible, and there is a very good chance of change.
And also help to see why Jacob is probably not dead, and that Smokey is NOT the same being Jacob conversed with at the opening of the finale.
Again, please nit-pick away, its the only way any of us will come to understand one anothers logic. A good theory is nothing compared to the comments and questions it raises.
But please, lets only talk Lost here. I would hate for someone to try to jump on the ‘recent comments’ page, only to find its nothing more than hogwash dealing nothing with the show from a theory I produced…I hate when that happens!!! Not to mention it really is not good for new members who jump on for the first time, and may think that this wonderful site is not the best place for Lost talk.
Happy hunting, and fair warning, I am very sturdy on my beliefs, so to change them, it will take some gooooood convincing facts, or even better ideas as to why they wouldnt work…
But change my mind on something, and i will forever respect you!