Comments on: Holding the Leash of Cerberus and Soul Control http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17684 Achalli Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:55:27 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17684 Thank you mrsswawyer, I'm glad you liked it. I agree that Smokie is a seperate entity. My basic thought is that Smokie is a tool (that is what a security system is after all) whose defaul controller is the Island. However, it is vulnarble to the influence of others, say like Jacob and his Adversary, who know how to take control and utilize it. Like I mentioned in the main body the character of Kamelion in the Doctor Who episode "King's Demons" is what influenced this theory. Thank you mrsswawyer, I’m glad you liked it. I agree that Smokie is a seperate entity. My basic thought is that Smokie is a tool (that is what a security system is after all) whose defaul controller is the Island. However, it is vulnarble to the influence of others, say like Jacob and his Adversary, who know how to take control and utilize it. Like I mentioned in the main body the character of Kamelion in the Doctor Who episode “King’s Demons” is what influenced this theory.

]]> By: mrssawyer http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17672 mrssawyer Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:37:10 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17672 Excellent stuff. I'm glad I have figured out how this site works now, lol. Achalli I like the idea that Smokie is under the control of a master, so to speak but I do differ on who that master is. I think I see Smokie as a manifestation of the island quite separate from Jacob and MIB but also malleable to their will. Great theory! Excellent stuff. I’m glad I have figured out how this site works now, lol.

Achalli I like the idea that Smokie is under the control of a master, so to speak but I do differ on who that master is.

I think I see Smokie as a manifestation of the island quite separate from Jacob and MIB but also malleable to their will.

Great theory!

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17508 dabiatchishere Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:15:12 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17508 Achalli, yes I wrote that theory about three years ago. I have posted many theories on this site. I am one of the first members who joined here, along with AES, another brilliant theorist, who has inspired many! Click on my name, and you will see all of the theories I have written. I have many more theories to come in the near future! Achalli, yes I wrote that theory about three years ago.

I have posted many theories on this site. I am one of the first members who joined here, along with AES, another brilliant theorist, who has inspired many!

Click on my name, and you will see all of the theories I have written. I have many more theories to come in the near future!

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17506 Achalli Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:47:16 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17506 WebCommoner, I just read your theory and liked it a lot. I left a more in depth comment under your theory. Thank you very much for pointing me to it. Dabs, I had a feeling you used to be on that site. I first encountered the Tulpa theory on that site. It was suggested to me in a comment left about a Smoke Monster theory I posted there also. Both you and WebCommoner leave very insightful comments and have very well thought out and interesting theories. I eagerly await to see what you post here, both theories and comments. As to the Doctor Who episode, it was a story from Peter Davison's tenure as the Doctor. If you just Google Kamelion you should get enough information to what I'm refering to without actually tracking down the episode and watching it. WebCommoner, I just read your theory and liked it a lot. I left a more in depth comment under your theory. Thank you very much for pointing me to it. Dabs, I had a feeling you used to be on that site. I first encountered the Tulpa theory on that site. It was suggested to me in a comment left about a Smoke Monster theory I posted there also. Both you and WebCommoner leave very insightful comments and have very well thought out and interesting theories. I eagerly await to see what you post here, both theories and comments. As to the Doctor Who episode, it was a story from Peter Davison’s tenure as the Doctor. If you just Google Kamelion you should get enough information to what I’m refering to without actually tracking down the episode and watching it.

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17490 WebCommoner Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:05:09 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17490 Achalli, FYI, I changed my username, which probably explains why you can't find the theory under 'Ben' anymore. You should be able to find it under WebCommoner. Achalli, FYI, I changed my username, which probably explains why you can’t find the theory under ‘Ben’ anymore. You should be able to find it under WebCommoner.

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17422 dabiatchishere Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:36:48 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17422 Achalli, I was one of the long ago originals who posted on LT. I left a very long time ago. I thought you mike like the theory, and although I didn't see the Dr. Who episode you are speaking of, somebody else mentioned in my post, that it was also reminiscent of an episode from Supernatural, entitled the "Tulpa". I haven't seen it yet, either, but intend to. Achalli, I was one of the long ago originals who posted on LT. I left a very long time ago.

I thought you mike like the theory, and although I didn’t see the Dr. Who episode you are speaking of, somebody else mentioned in my post, that it was also reminiscent of an episode from Supernatural, entitled the “Tulpa”. I haven’t seen it yet, either, but intend to.

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17419 Achalli Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:17:35 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17419 Dabs I just read your Tulpa theory, did you ever post theories on the old Lost theories site? You're right that that is similar to the line of thought I had. What actually pushed me to this line of thinking was the Doctor Who episode "The King's Demons." In it the Master uses a shape shifting robot named Kamelion to try to disrupt the signing of the Magan Carta. Kamelion was able to be controlled by the power of the mind and was easy to take over. I started thinking what if Smokey was like that and this theory was the result. Ben, I'm having trouble locating your theory and don't know if it's a problem on my end. As soon as I'm able to locate it I'll let you know. I like reading everyone's ideas. Rock Tripod, I agree that MIB and Smokey being one and the same is the simplest theory that most likely will end up being true. However, I wanted to try to explain things with them being separate entities. Sometimes things that are too simple raise a red flag, that's kind of what thinking MIB and Smokey are the same does to me. I like simple but it's to simple. I appreciate your comment and it does give me ideas to consider, thanks. Dabs I just read your Tulpa theory, did you ever post theories on the old Lost theories site? You’re right that that is similar to the line of thought I had. What actually pushed me to this line of thinking was the Doctor Who episode “The King’s Demons.” In it the Master uses a shape shifting robot named Kamelion to try to disrupt the signing of the Magan Carta. Kamelion was able to be controlled by the power of the mind and was easy to take over. I started thinking what if Smokey was like that and this theory was the result. Ben, I’m having trouble locating your theory and don’t know if it’s a problem on my end. As soon as I’m able to locate it I’ll let you know. I like reading everyone’s ideas. Rock Tripod, I agree that MIB and Smokey being one and the same is the simplest theory that most likely will end up being true. However, I wanted to try to explain things with them being separate entities. Sometimes things that are too simple raise a red flag, that’s kind of what thinking MIB and Smokey are the same does to me. I like simple but it’s to simple. I appreciate your comment and it does give me ideas to consider, thanks.

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17405 WebCommoner Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:06:31 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17405 I'm fairly convinced that Locke disappeared into the jungle because he went to break the line of ash, either freeing MIB's soul or simply preventing it from happening again. We haven't heard a peep from the smoke monster since Sun and Ben reached the island, and I think it's because MIB no longer needs it. He now has access to Locke's body, so the search for a "candidate" is over. I have always been skeptical of the idea that Smokey serves as a judge, despite what the show's producers imply through a cryptic show synopsis. It's the mechanical sound effects they associate with it that make me leary. Instead, I think of it as a camera system, tasked by MIB to survey the island's inhabitants. Instead, it's MIB who ultimately makes any judgement calls on who stays or who goes. Eko, for example, basically threw up a middle finger and chose his own path. If MIB is not a fan of the whole free-will philosophy, I can imagine how that might piss the guy off a bit. I’m fairly convinced that Locke disappeared into the jungle because he went to break the line of ash, either freeing MIB’s soul or simply preventing it from happening again. We haven’t heard a peep from the smoke monster since Sun and Ben reached the island, and I think it’s because MIB no longer needs it. He now has access to Locke’s body, so the search for a “candidate” is over.

I have always been skeptical of the idea that Smokey serves as a judge, despite what the show’s producers imply through a cryptic show synopsis. It’s the mechanical sound effects they associate with it that make me leary. Instead, I think of it as a camera system, tasked by MIB to survey the island’s inhabitants. Instead, it’s MIB who ultimately makes any judgement calls on who stays or who goes. Eko, for example, basically threw up a middle finger and chose his own path. If MIB is not a fan of the whole free-will philosophy, I can imagine how that might piss the guy off a bit.

]]> By: Rock Tripod http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17399 Rock Tripod Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:47:38 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17399 Consider the alternative, that Smokey and MIB ARE one and the same. It explains a bit more. In "This Place is Death", for example, the creators use some simple movie tricks to point us to the idea that Locke/Smokey the same thing. Ben goes into his old Dharma cabin, and calls for Smokey. Waits outside, and we hear a rustling in the leaves. We expect Smokey, we get Locke. Same episode, in the temple. Ben falls through the floor, and Locke calls down to see if he needs help. Locke goes to get rope, and only when Locke is safely off-camera does Smokey show up. Smokey leaves, Locke returns. Sort of like Superman and Clark Kent. Now I know this may just be the creators messing with us, pointing us to a red herring, but I personally doubt it. Second, and this is more to the point, I think I know why Eko was killed. I mean, aside from the creators and the actor having a falling out. Eko refuses to be repentant any further, and will no longer do Yemi's bidding, now being useless and unwilling to help Smokey manipulate Locke. So he must be eliminated before he may convince Locke to disobey. Could it be that Smokey is the middle-man? Yeah, I suppose. But why? Why not the simpler explanation, that Smokey and MIB are one and the same? Consider the alternative, that Smokey and MIB ARE one and the same. It explains a bit more. In “This Place is Death”, for example, the creators use some simple movie tricks to point us to the idea that Locke/Smokey the same thing. Ben goes into his old Dharma cabin, and calls for Smokey. Waits outside, and we hear a rustling in the leaves. We expect Smokey, we get Locke. Same episode, in the temple. Ben falls through the floor, and Locke calls down to see if he needs help. Locke goes to get rope, and only when Locke is safely off-camera does Smokey show up. Smokey leaves, Locke returns. Sort of like Superman and Clark Kent. Now I know this may just be the creators messing with us, pointing us to a red herring, but I personally doubt it.
Second, and this is more to the point, I think I know why Eko was killed. I mean, aside from the creators and the actor having a falling out. Eko refuses to be repentant any further, and will no longer do Yemi’s bidding, now being useless and unwilling to help Smokey manipulate Locke. So he must be eliminated before he may convince Locke to disobey. Could it be that Smokey is the middle-man? Yeah, I suppose. But why? Why not the simpler explanation, that Smokey and MIB are one and the same?

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/holding-the-leash-of-cerberus-and-soul-control/#comment-17381 dabiatchishere Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:44:30 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5624#comment-17381 Achalli, I totally agree that the smoke monster and Jacob's Nemesis are not one and the same! They are completely different entities, IMO. I like some of your ideas and thoughts! In particular, I think it is entirely plausible that the smoke monster dispenses of people that are not in 'unison' with 'the island'. Whether they are unrepentant as Eko was, or, if they simply have no purpose to serve. I wrote a theory on the smoke monster, which I think is entitled the Smoke Monster is a 'Tulpa', (which is a 'Thoughtform'). You may find it an interesting read, as it seems to fit with your description of what you envision the smoke monster to be! Achalli, I totally agree that the smoke monster and Jacob’s Nemesis are not one and the same!

They are completely different entities, IMO.

I like some of your ideas and thoughts! In particular, I think it is entirely plausible that the smoke monster dispenses of people that are not in ‘unison’ with ‘the island’. Whether they are unrepentant as Eko was, or, if they simply have no purpose to serve.

I wrote a theory on the smoke monster, which I think is entitled the Smoke Monster is a ‘Tulpa’, (which is a ‘Thoughtform’).

You may find it an interesting read, as it seems to fit with your description of what you envision the smoke monster to be!

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