Comments on: On LOST. Reflections, Revelations, and Speculation After 5 Seasons. http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: eurydice http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17621 eurydice Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:10:03 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17621 Dear WebCommoner, I do not have my own theory, so I cannot foresee what will happen in the next season. I just wanted to share my own doubt about your argument that Jacob Dear WebCommoner,
I do not have my own theory, so I cannot foresee what will happen in the next season. I just wanted to share my own doubt about your argument that Jacob

]]> By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17619 imisscharlie Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:00:06 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17619 Thank you all for helping me to try and understand the time travel aspects of the show, and I do apologize if I've wandered away from the main topic. Fantastic thinking about suppressing pregnancy and birth, Webcommoner, as starting in the 70s when Black's influence over Ben begins. This makes so much sense now. Widmore as the good guy, working for Jacob, is just the sort of twist I'd expect from Lost! As to the sound of the smoke monster, I remember Rose saying that it reminded her of something back home in the Bronx. If any of you out there are familiar with New York City, the sound is what the meter in a taxicab makes--many of my friends here in NY agree on that! What this signifies, I'm not sure, but taxis in NY have been making that sound for a long time now, as far back as I can remember (way back to the 70s, actually!) Thank you all for helping me to try and understand the time travel aspects of the show, and I do apologize if I’ve wandered away from the main topic.

Fantastic thinking about suppressing pregnancy and birth, Webcommoner, as starting in the 70s when Black’s influence over Ben begins. This makes so much sense now. Widmore as the good guy, working for Jacob, is just the sort of twist I’d expect from Lost!

As to the sound of the smoke monster, I remember Rose saying that it reminded her of something back home in the Bronx. If any of you out there are familiar with New York City, the sound is what the meter in a taxicab makes–many of my friends here in NY agree on that! What this signifies, I’m not sure, but taxis in NY have been making that sound for a long time now, as far back as I can remember (way back to the 70s, actually!)

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17597 WebCommoner Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:03:27 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17597 Correction on the above, our Losties can't thwart Black finding a loophole, but Jacob hopes they will defeat him after it happens. Correction on the above, our Losties can’t thwart Black finding a loophole, but Jacob hopes they will defeat him after it happens.

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17596 WebCommoner Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:57:51 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17596 I look at it as Jacob sacrificing some lives in order to save many. It's a temporary fix to a potentially disastrous problem, and I think he brings Jack and Co. to the island because he knows they can thwart Black's plan to find a loophole. If you believe that "whatever happened, happened," the incident at the Swan is inevitable and I don't think Jacob's motive is to prevent it from occurring. In fact, the Swan's construction is the very thing that leads to the crash of Flight 815, which is how Jacob gets them there in the first place. In the end, Jacob's plan to resolve the issue should eventually lead to life thriving again. Preservation of the island as a motive for Mr. Black doesn't seem likely to me considering the fact that he represents death. Ultimately, his motivation is killing Jacob through Ben, thus proving his point and ending the long game they have been playing. Black's point to Jacob is that humans are flawed and easily corruptible, and his influence over certain characters demonstrates the fact that he can direct them in a manner that stunts their ability to choose between light and dark, black and white, right and wrong. In other words, he is the guy who calls their shots, and not the other way around. The genius of Black's plan is that he manages to manipulate Ben into thinking the "choices" he makes on the island are for Jacob when they really serve Black. It's precisely why Jacob tells Ben that he has a choice between Black's influence or leaving in "The Incident." Ultimately, Ben does what Black wants him to do, proving Black's point, and Jacob's death is the consequence. I think we will learn next season that Widmore serves Jacob, and his only reason for finding the island is to remove Ben and negate Black's influence over its inhabitants. I look at it as Jacob sacrificing some lives in order to save many. It’s a temporary fix to a potentially disastrous problem, and I think he brings Jack and Co. to the island because he knows they can thwart Black’s plan to find a loophole. If you believe that “whatever happened, happened,” the incident at the Swan is inevitable and I don’t think Jacob’s motive is to prevent it from occurring. In fact, the Swan’s construction is the very thing that leads to the crash of Flight 815, which is how Jacob gets them there in the first place. In the end, Jacob’s plan to resolve the issue should eventually lead to life thriving again. Preservation of the island as a motive for Mr. Black doesn’t seem likely to me considering the fact that he represents death. Ultimately, his motivation is killing Jacob through Ben, thus proving his point and ending the long game they have been playing.

Black’s point to Jacob is that humans are flawed and easily corruptible, and his influence over certain characters demonstrates the fact that he can direct them in a manner that stunts their ability to choose between light and dark, black and white, right and wrong. In other words, he is the guy who calls their shots, and not the other way around. The genius of Black’s plan is that he manages to manipulate Ben into thinking the “choices” he makes on the island are for Jacob when they really serve Black. It’s precisely why Jacob tells Ben that he has a choice between Black’s influence or leaving in “The Incident.” Ultimately, Ben does what Black wants him to do, proving Black’s point, and Jacob’s death is the consequence. I think we will learn next season that Widmore serves Jacob, and his only reason for finding the island is to remove Ben and negate Black’s influence over its inhabitants.

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17593 dabiatchishere Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:29:18 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17593 eurydice, you make excellent points about Jacob and his Nemesis, and the whole issue of Black vs White. This is definitely something we should not ignore. eurydice, you make excellent points about Jacob and his Nemesis, and the whole issue of Black vs White.

This is definitely something we should not ignore.

]]> By: eurydice http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17587 eurydice Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:43:12 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17587 WebCommoner, Thanks for the interpretation, I think it's very impressive. However, I have some doubts about the pregnancy issue. Well, if I have understood it correctly you argue that Jacob doesn't want women to get pregnant on the island. How could this be if he represents the beginning/life/novelty etc.? Contrary to this point I would have assumed that he was trying to get the Oceanics back to the island in order to prevent the explosion at Swan. The whole plan was to make the whole group to go back to 1977; having Miles there was necessary to persuade his father; the physicist was also needed for the time travel etc. What I am trying to say that Jacob is the one who welcomes newcomers, visitors and children since for him they all lead to progress even if they cause some kind of destruction on the island. Mr. Black, on the other hand, is the one who tries to preserve the island and tries to prevent any invasions. For that reason, he sometimes manipulate some of the islanders (others, Dharma initiative, Oceanics. For that reason, I think there is no such thing like since the beginning Widmore was working for Mr.Black, or Ben was on his side. Since for being human, individuals sometimes chose the side of Black and sometimes of the White. Locke and Ben were used by Mr. Black at the end, but I think during the history of the island they also served for Jacob. Widmore was trying to go back to the island because the island somehow represents the Heaven or dunno maybe the Limbo. Those exiled from it, try to go back for the hope of change, of doing somethings differently this time and having another chance. WebCommoner,
Thanks for the interpretation, I think it’s very impressive. However, I have some doubts about the pregnancy issue. Well, if I have understood it correctly you argue that Jacob doesn’t want women to get pregnant on the island. How could this be if he represents the beginning/life/novelty etc.? Contrary to this point I would have assumed that he was trying to get the Oceanics back to the island in order to prevent the explosion at Swan. The whole plan was to make the whole group to go back to 1977; having Miles there was necessary to persuade his father; the physicist was also needed for the time travel etc. What I am trying to say that Jacob is the one who welcomes newcomers, visitors and children since for him they all lead to progress even if they cause some kind of destruction on the island. Mr. Black, on the other hand, is the one who tries to preserve the island and tries to prevent any invasions. For that reason, he sometimes manipulate some of the islanders (others, Dharma initiative, Oceanics.

For that reason, I think there is no such thing like since the beginning Widmore was working for Mr.Black, or Ben was on his side. Since for being human, individuals sometimes chose the side of Black and sometimes of the White. Locke and Ben were used by Mr. Black at the end, but I think during the history of the island they also served for Jacob.
Widmore was trying to go back to the island because the island somehow represents the Heaven or dunno maybe the Limbo. Those exiled from it, try to go back for the hope of change, of doing somethings differently this time and having another chance.

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17586 WebCommoner Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:10:10 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17586 chaotixmm, another thought ... I'm not completely convinced the island is as much a haven for pregnancy as it is a sort of microcosm of Earth, which represents a physical battleground where humankind struggles to progress through time. I say battleground because of the symbolism that we get from Cuse and Lindolof in reference to gaming ... chess, backgammon, Risk, even golf! chaotixmm, another thought … I’m not completely convinced the island is as much a haven for pregnancy as it is a sort of microcosm of Earth, which represents a physical battleground where humankind struggles to progress through time. I say battleground because of the symbolism that we get from Cuse and Lindolof in reference to gaming … chess, backgammon, Risk, even golf!

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17585 WebCommoner Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:07 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17585 Andre7, thanks for pointing out the Moyers book. You can also get this in DVD form, called "Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth," which is the recorded interviews that Moyers did shortly before Campbell's death. Andre7, thanks for pointing out the Moyers book. You can also get this in DVD form, called “Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth,” which is the recorded interviews that Moyers did shortly before Campbell’s death.

]]> By: WebCommoner http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17584 WebCommoner Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:50:52 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17584 That's precisely what it is! They even gave us the source for that sound effect in "Walkabout" when Locke is sitting at his desk using a calculator. It prints his calculations on to a receipt and, if I remember correctly, they used the sound to transition from mainland to island, adding a tad of reverb to really make it stand out. Visiting Barcelona one evening earlier this year, a taxi cab driver was dropping a passenger off at the curb, and imagine my surprise when I heard the guy's credit card machine printing out the receipt. I did a double-take and thought, it's Smokey! If the sound symbolizes the smoke monster, we might even take it a step further and say that it's not just mechanical, but it represents the same sort of means for documentation that the printer traditionally employs. That’s precisely what it is! They even gave us the source for that sound effect in “Walkabout” when Locke is sitting at his desk using a calculator. It prints his calculations on to a receipt and, if I remember correctly, they used the sound to transition from mainland to island, adding a tad of reverb to really make it stand out. Visiting Barcelona one evening earlier this year, a taxi cab driver was dropping a passenger off at the curb, and imagine my surprise when I heard the guy’s credit card machine printing out the receipt. I did a double-take and thought, it’s Smokey! If the sound symbolizes the smoke monster, we might even take it a step further and say that it’s not just mechanical, but it represents the same sort of means for documentation that the printer traditionally employs.

]]> By: chaotixmm http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/05/on-lost-reflections-revelations-and-speculation-after-5-seasons/#comment-17582 chaotixmm Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:52:16 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=5638#comment-17582 okay thanks for that, now i more clearly understand your idea. yes, thats very interesting that Jacob might have caused the pregnancy issue, and if the island is as we believe a haven for pregnancy and fertility, then it would take a lot of power to do that. in fact, if we view Jacob as the poster boy for Life, and Black as the poster boy for Death, then it seems almost logical that Jacob can, and might have caused it. yes, Rose's comment about Smokey has haunted me since that first episode, and im sure the writers havent forgot. i just cannot begin to imagine the physical nature of the Monster (as opposed to his "spiritual nature" which has been discussed at great length). to me he sounds like a goddamn cash register printing out the reciept and everytime im in the line at the grocery store i can't help but crack a smile. okay thanks for that, now i more clearly understand your idea. yes, thats very interesting that Jacob might have caused the pregnancy issue, and if the island is as we believe a haven for pregnancy and fertility, then it would take a lot of power to do that. in fact, if we view Jacob as the poster boy for Life, and Black as the poster boy for Death, then it seems almost logical that Jacob can, and might have caused it.

yes, Rose’s comment about Smokey has haunted me since that first episode, and im sure the writers havent forgot. i just cannot begin to imagine the physical nature of the Monster (as opposed to his “spiritual nature” which has been discussed at great length). to me he sounds like a goddamn cash register printing out the reciept and everytime im in the line at the grocery store i can’t help but crack a smile.

]]>