first of all, just to make sure, im not subscribing to a particular thought here, in the sense that i dont think the time loop is man made, or a controlled natural phenomena; by jacob.

i may be repeating myself here, but, if it is man made, so it has been created for what intent? If it were jacob, we could say his intent, judging by his conversation on the beach with the guy we do not yet have a name for, for some sort of progress on the island.

my only quam with that is, what is jacobs specifications, because as i mentione before, why is there a huge statue? he couldnt havebuilt it. so what im saying is,if there was once a mass population on the island, that could have helped build it, they obviously were not good enough to meet jacobs specifications. they were filed under “PROGRESS”. Jacob must have brought them there, or did he?.

so what im not neccesairly saying its man made, or natural, im not sure yet. ill need to think about it more.

could desmond have found a way to do their business and save charlie? hm… you say that charlie ended a hero, but was used by desmond, the whole story is so utilitarian its untrue!
buti like your sentments anyway! i just not a fan of desmond!

but yes work time.

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I am certain you are onto something there! The fact that Charlie sacrificed himself in the same way as Locke, speaks volumes! Perhaps, this constitutes part of ‘the change’ we have been speaking about!

It also reminds me of the theory by WebCommoner/Ben, and his thoughts on Joseph Campbell’s book!

I am ‘psyched’ by these new revelations!

Great discussions in this theory!

…Meant to say fate…not faith…

I am thinking that the loop was possibly created by Jacob now, who in turn, did it knowing that even though he may not be able to in fact change the ultimate outcome, but what leads to the ultimate outcome.

It all goes back to the thought of Desmond saving Charlie long enough for him to “save” everyone, by stopping the functions of the looking glass.

He and John share a similar quality in their deaths. They didnt die, they were not killed…they sacrificed themselves for others. They both knew going into the situation what the outcome was to be, one told by Desmond, the other by Richard, and still proceeded to comtinue their journey, and end their lives for what they felt was for the good of their friends.

I am still a strong supporter of change, and I feel that the ultimate outcome doesnt have to be changed to be the only thing that makes a difference.

If Charlie had died a druggie, or a coward not willing to accept his faith, in a manner that Desmond had saved him from several times, he would not have been loved by the others less, but he wouldnt have been looked at the same as the hero that he is seen as now.

There is more to life than life and death, and more to stories than the beginning and the end. Its the in between that truly matters, and how you get to your final destination.

Excellent thought Columbo.
I honestly have been waiting for good input from you on one of my theories.
I appreciate your words, and will continue to think things through on your idea of a purposely created loop.

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I plan on exploring all of the aspects you have mentioned!

I will be re-watching the series again from the start to see what else I might glean from it, in terms of what you said.

I think they are great ideas! Thanks for the input!

PS: I did get the ‘grand scheme’ of your post, btw!

or if it is a natural thing, like when chang suggested in the shaft, that it may if snared have ways of ‘manipulating time’

so either it is natural and was waitning to be discovered, or in fact is a man made, or as egyptian and greek mythology concours, it may be something man made by greater ‘beings’ so to speak.

i know my theory of lost construction work and architecture was a joke, but my serious point was that the island must have had some mass populaton at some point, to create such object (the statue0 and buildings (the temple)

could something have been built or discovered then? or, as i aid was it a man made phenomena from the future? hence jacobs knowing of sawyer and kate when they were younger, as i dont think he randomly chose these kids. he knew eactly what he wanted, so did he have prior knowledge?

hmmm…

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I also never gave any thought to the ‘time-loop’ being created in a deliberate fashion.

Any ideas on these two things? I think we have been made to believe that ‘the incident’ or something else has caused the looping effects, or, that it is part of creation.

I’d just like to know the alternatives.

but if the time loop was not man made parsay, then there is no telling to its end, as there is no original starting point. jacob is not the ifrst to use it, im guessing. im kinda still looking forward to the original inhabitantsof the island, who built the statue etc, as im guessing jacob didnt!

i feel if there was a man made intent for a time loop, was it created in the future or in the past, i guess that would be most interesting as it would mean that keeping tabs on certain youths from the past, (sawyer, kate etc) would be easier.

more later. must have drink. too hot.

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