Comments on: Alpert’s Suicide

By: Achalli

Achalli — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:20:14 +0000

Sorry it took me awhile to respond to you Helentink. I think anyone who is willing to accept the consequences for anything they do is a truly powerful person.

By: helentink

helentink — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:38:54 +0000

talking about ben’s “magic box” (and the Quantum Suicide)…reminds me of Pandora’s box – could you handle the consequences if you opened it?

By: Achalli

Achalli — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:24:57 +0000

Dharma Dancer, I’m sorry I didn’t respond sooner. I’m glad you enjoyed it. The Quantum Suicide concept can be applied to a lot of things, not just people. In regards to the box, I think it was opened already with the destruction of the Swan in season 2. For a brief moment the Island was revealed to the rest of the world.

By: Dharma Dancer

Dharma Dancer — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:30 +0000

Achalli, I love it! This could explain alot, and could basically be applied to anybody on the island. Also, Ben mentions to Locke a “magic box” in an episode. I wonder what would happen if somebody left the box…

Great theory!

By: Achalli

Achalli — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:31:54 +0000

This is how I applied Quantum Suicide in this theory. In quantum suicide the universe keeps splitting into different versions. The occupants of each version are unaware of the other versions. On Lost we are seeing the version wherein Richard has been made ageless by Jacob, but,as I propose it, only as long as the Island (not Richard)remains cloaked from the rest of the world. When the Swan implodes, it results in the world momentarily being observed by the outside world ( via the two guys at the listening post who detect the E/M anomally) and Richard loses his anti-aging property. A lot of fuss has been made by Ben, Locke, and the Others about not revealing the Island to the rest of the world. I feel that the concept of Quantum Suicide is a good explaination because it’s description suggests that it is closely in line with what we have seen, particulary with the Island not being detected by the rest of the world except whith the destruction of the Swan. As I see it Richard’s condition closely resembles Quantum Suicide. Take it or leave it, I consider this closed.

By: Tas

Tas — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:58:57 +0000

I don’t want to sound like I’m dumping on your theory Achalli. I’m intrigued and I want to know more about why you came to this idea yet I’m finding the discussion frustrating to give an eg of this. It’s kind of like you asked me how the sky is blue? and I told you it was because God made it like that, the grass is green so he used colour a bit and the sky on Venus is blue. Great, but I haven’t answered your question. That’s a bit how I feel, just want ot know where you are coming from with just quantum suicide.

By: Tas

Tas — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:12:16 +0000

I feel that all of the explanations on how QS could be used to explain Richard’s agelessness have been to say it just does or they said it on Flashforward, or they use other scientific ideas. As a teacher I don’t accept ‘just cos’ as an answer, so that’s why I’m asking questions. Telling me about the casimir effect doesn’t describe HOW quantum suicide can be used. The casimir effect is quantifiable, has been done and measured – Lost uses the theory on a larger scale, but it hasn’t been twisted. Quantum suicide specifically talks about a guy being repeatedly shot at as a way to explain many worlds (wherever there is two or more options, both happen, spliting the universe over and over again). I just want to know how you think the writers can use and explain how this idea goes to Richard’s agelessness, becauses it is a TV show with limited boundaries in which to show a story. I just want you tell me about quantum suicide, not FF or other scientific premises, that’s all.

By: Achalli

Achalli — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:50:50 +0000

Tas, what I think we are disagreeing on is how strict of an interpretaion we are taking with the Quantum Suicide concept. As I stated, the writers of any given show do not necessarily adhere strictly to what they base things on.

By: Achalli

Achalli — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:47:22 +0000

Tas, even though Quantum Suicide is a thought experiment I don’t believe that that disqualifies it to be used as the basis for theories on this site. Writers for shows do not always use a concept as it is originally intended or propsed. On Lost it has been said that the Island exhibits a Casimer Effect and yet in actuallity it is an experiment that is done and exhibited on a small scale. According to Lostpedia:

The Casimir effect is the attractive force between two uncharged metal plates that are placed very near to each other in a vacuum. The attraction arises due to a reduction in the energy of the ground state of the electromagnetic field between the two plates. Because fluctuations in the field between the plates can only have wavelengths equal to or smaller than the distance between the plates, the vacuum electromagnetic field has less energy between the plates than outside of them.

It has been suggested that the Casimir forces have application in nanotechnology, in particular silicon integrated circuit technology based micro- and nanoelectromechanical systems, and so-called Casimir oscillators.

In Lost The effect is referenced in the Orchid Video as a way to explain the mysterious properties of the Vault. It is unknown exactly in what way the Casimir effect affects the island, to date.

I don’t see what would stop the writers from adapting other scientific concepts to suit their needs for the story.

Dabs, it didn’t occur to me to make a connection to the Valenzetti Equation. I think that if there is another observer that we haven’t been introduced to yet then they would have to be on the Island.

By: dabiatchishere

dabiatchishere — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13:17 +0000

Hi Achalli, I definitely think the analogy you have taken from the conversation between Lloyd and Simon explains your theory.

I also feel there is a further connection with what was stated about ‘the future’ being predicted mathematically. This is reminiscent of the Valenzetti Equation. I think this may also illustrate to us that ‘the observer’ does exist. And, that someone is attempting to manipulate the future, scientifically/mathematically. Is this what is creating the ‘dilemma’ being played out on ‘the island’? Is this where the opposition comes into play, and what the war is all about?

Your theory opens many more doors for consideration.