Comments on: The button, Jacob/MIB, Jughead, Losties, Love

By: Sinster

Sinster — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:26:39 +0000

I think (F) did show him now that you mention it…

Interesting that Locke seemed to make a connection w/ all the younger losties…

By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue

ilieintheshadowofthestatue — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:54:03 +0000

Sinster, I don’t think Ben knew where Smokey resides, though. Remember, it was (F)Locke who led Ben to Smokey’s chamber under the temple.

I definitely agree that Locke seemed quite disconnected from the other losties. He only seemed to connect to some extent with a few of them, particularly the younger ones like Walt, Boone, Claire and Charlie.

By: Sinster

Sinster — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:20:35 +0000

I have 2 agree Tas, I don’t think Locke felt any love for his fellow survivors, maybe love of the island, but……….

By: Tas

Tas — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:16:05 +0000

I don’t think John left the island out of love for the losties. They haven’t known each other for that kind of deep love to develop, along with the fact that John was pretty much an outcast. Love for the island maybe. Love has certainly had a role in the show, but I think more to show how misguided we can be, how it can cloud our judgements and how we use ‘love’ as an excuse for our actions. I don’t think that’s what they are ultimately searching for.

By: Sinster

Sinster — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:10:41 +0000

I haven’t really decided who is on the good side/bad side yet… For all I know, MIB may be the good guy, and Jacob may be the bad guy. I honestly don’t think Richard works for MIB. I think Ben was always a faux leader, and that’s why he never got to speak to Jacob. I also think its probable that Ben works more closely w/ the MIB. He obviously knows how to summon the smoke monster, and knows where it resides. He didn’t know this much information about Jacob….

I can’t wait til February 2nd….

By: waycurious

waycurious — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:29:53 +0000

Love – not always in the romantic way. John loves his losties(or maybe island), so he leaves the island to die for them (or maybe it).

Sacrificial love, a free will choice.

By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue

ilieintheshadowofthestatue — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:09 +0000

I agree that we shouldn’t interpret light and dark as good and bad. It may just be two different sides, as in chess. Considering that Jacob and MIB seemed to have rather different philosophies about life, perhaps they are a bit like Yan and Yang, though.

By: ScrollLocke

ScrollLocke — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:04:29 +0000

TAS: Totally agree that finding yourself totally outweighs finding love – which is fleeting and replaceable. But it’s undeniable that it is one of the great motivators of life – clearly seen by the actions of the LOST characters. It’s guided the characters through the plot as much as the “chess masters” have guided them around as pawns – often using the pawns love in their plays.

I don’t really give a crap about Jacob and MIB and who’s good and who’s bad and what’s black and what’s white and blah blah. We don’t know enough about them (but it’s fun to speculate) Life happens in the gray area. Totally agree with that as well.

By: Tas

Tas — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:48:48 +0000

Love is fleeting. The characters have lost themselves, they don’t know who they ‘are’and that’s much deeper and more profound than being in love. Love can easily be challenged (Jin/Sun, Sawyer/Juilet) and become twisted and fade away. But finding yourself, who you are, what makes you you, a unique, special respectful human is so much stronger and comprehensive and complete than love. If you find yourself you don’t ‘need’ anyone else so you can love more openly (so much of the ‘love’ we’ve been shown on Lost is selfish). It’s when the characters have found themselves, accepted themselves for who they are and respect themselves that their storylines are finished with – Eko, Charlie, Sayid (think he’s pretty much done now).
To the theory, why does this have to be about love and hate, why the extremes, the moral stances on people being good or bad? Life isn’t black and white and Lost isn’t either. I don’t understand why people have become fixated on Jacob being a lovely, good, benevolent force and therefore MIB being the exact opposite. What have we been shown that says that? I think that up until the final episode many people would have said that there was something ‘not quite right’ with Jacob and his actions or supposed actions, but we see him touch some losties and he has blond hair so he must be a good guy? I can’t think of anything that has been directly attributed to Jacob that is unequivocally good or loving and we haven’t seen MIB do anything other than have a discussion with Jacob, get a bit frustrated and say how much he’s like to kill him. I’ve said that about my sisters (doesn’t make me evil).
Also, how can the button be that important, it only started in the 80s, was destroyed in 2004 – the story has been going on for much, much longer than that? It may be an aspect of the war but I can’t see how it can determine what sides people are on, especially when so many actions surrounding the button seemed to be done with very little or no knowledge of ay bigger picture.
The latest promo here is set to Amazing Grace, I think that says so much about where the show is going.

By: ScrollLocke

ScrollLocke — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:57:09 +0000

GOD LOVES YOU AS HE LOVED JACOB.

Indeed, it’s called LOST – but the most common thing that all the characters have lost – is in fact, love.

Aren’t Rose and Bernard the only characters that haven’t lost love? They found it and kept it and cherish it. Hmm. I guess somebody has to have a happy ending in order to contrast the rest.