Comments on: My Theory of Alternate Timelines and the Problem of Blissful Ignorance http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23371 ilieintheshadowofthestatue Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23371 Sorry for crappy spelling. Sorry for crappy spelling.

]]> By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23370 ilieintheshadowofthestatue Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:30:32 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23370 To me it seems reasonable to say that there are many time lines. Each time someone time travels to the past, history is affected. We saw it several times in season 5. And if there is such a thing as course correction seems to be a very weak force. For example, course correction did not prevent the interactions between Richard and Locke in any was. I've proposed before that the alternate time line that everyone is talking about was in fact created when Jack et al flashed back to 1977 during the Ajira landing rather than during the Incident. But I guess we'll know soon in a week or so. :) To me it seems reasonable to say that there are many time lines. Each time someone time travels to the past, history is affected. We saw it several times in season 5.

And if there is such a thing as course correction seems to be a very weak force. For example, course correction did not prevent the interactions between Richard and Locke in any was.

I’ve proposed before that the alternate time line that everyone is talking about was in fact created when Jack et al flashed back to 1977 during the Ajira landing rather than during the Incident.

But I guess we’ll know soon in a week or so. :)

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23363 highbrow Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:13:52 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23363 Yeah, I don't think the dual timelines is much of a stretch... I like it because it fits what we've seen, doesn't require change (in the past), explains things and doesn't allow a loop. It's kind of the happy medium between one singular timeline and infinite timelines. Yeah, I don’t think the dual timelines is much of a stretch… I like it because it fits what we’ve seen, doesn’t require change (in the past), explains things and doesn’t allow a loop. It’s kind of the happy medium between one singular timeline and infinite timelines.

]]> By: kimberly http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23358 kimberly Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:00:55 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23358 Well, okay. So this is the problem with working and trying to think Lost again. (Except for the fact that at work I played that great little "Answers!" video for all the Lost fans in my morning meeting.) Anyway. I like the idea of another timeline. Call it alternate or dual or whatever. I like it because it feels like it has been foreshadowed and existed at various points, as AES described the "how" with the bunnies scenario. I think somehow it can relate to how the loophole was created and played out between Jacob and Nemesis, and why there could be such catastrophic events if there is not something (and some people) that can ultimately bring things back into alignment. Well, okay. So this is the problem with working and trying to think Lost again. (Except for the fact that at work I played that great little “Answers!” video for all the Lost fans in my morning meeting.)

Anyway. I like the idea of another timeline. Call it alternate or dual or whatever. I like it because it feels like it has been foreshadowed and existed at various points, as AES described the “how” with the bunnies scenario. I think somehow it can relate to how the loophole was created and played out between Jacob and Nemesis, and why there could be such catastrophic events if there is not something (and some people) that can ultimately bring things back into alignment.

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23281 highbrow Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:01:01 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23281 I wish I could post an image. Here's what I'm saying... Yes, in the beginning of season six there will be Locke in a wheelchair at LAX. All of the Losties will be there; even the ones we've seen die on the island. Sometime after that there will be an event... something big. This represents the end of dual timelines (see that? I renamed it... I think "dual timelines" better describes my thoughts on the subject). At some point in the past, maybe in the '70s, maybe earlier, there was an event that caused the beginning of dual timelines. At this point each timeline was identical but each is independent and any sequence of events is possible in each. They become more and more different each time. In the original the plane doesn't crash. This is what we're going to see at the beginning of season six (I think). The crash and everything we've seen to this point (with the possible exception of flashbacks) has taken place in the new timeline. We're going to think that Jacks plan has worked and he changed history by detonating the bomb but that isn't going to be the case. So yeah, they'll land in 2004 and when John flashes off the island there will be two of them... it could get weird but maybe the younger John (the one that never walked on the island) will kill himself. Dying should be something we're used to seeing John do so nobody should be surprised. I wish I could post an image. Here’s what I’m saying… Yes, in the beginning of season six there will be Locke in a wheelchair at LAX. All of the Losties will be there; even the ones we’ve seen die on the island.

Sometime after that there will be an event… something big. This represents the end of dual timelines (see that? I renamed it… I think “dual timelines” better describes my thoughts on the subject). At some point in the past, maybe in the ’70s, maybe earlier, there was an event that caused the beginning of dual timelines. At this point each timeline was identical but each is independent and any sequence of events is possible in each. They become more and more different each time.

In the original the plane doesn’t crash. This is what we’re going to see at the beginning of season six (I think). The crash and everything we’ve seen to this point (with the possible exception of flashbacks) has taken place in the new timeline. We’re going to think that Jacks plan has worked and he changed history by detonating the bomb but that isn’t going to be the case.

So yeah, they’ll land in 2004 and when John flashes off the island there will be two of them… it could get weird but maybe the younger John (the one that never walked on the island) will kill himself. Dying should be something we’re used to seeing John do so nobody should be surprised.

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23279 highbrow Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:45:42 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23279 Kim, I don't want to call your dedication into question here but come on... a little work? Before Lost? WE ONLY HAVE SIX DAYS! Kim, I don’t want to call your dedication into question here but come on… a little work? Before Lost? WE ONLY HAVE SIX DAYS!

]]> By: kimberly http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23275 kimberly Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:24:05 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23275 Maybe think about my question from a different way then, if it's just that simple. It doesn't seem that simple, especially if we have the option of another timeline. I know there is a lot of nebulous stuff that comes up because we don't have enough info on the situation and timeline for Jacob and Nemesis. But we do know that somehow Locke and his death played a crucial role - his death as a certain event - that created a loophole for Jacob and Nemesis to get at each other. (Something that seems important to the whole plot at this point...) So I just wanted to somehow apply your line of thinking that at the beginning of Season 6 we will have Locke back in a wheelchair, in LAX, and something that then creates the timeline that Locke is on the island as we have seen from Season 1-5 right up until he's again off island in 2008 dead. I have more thoughts on why I'm thinking of this but I have to drink coffee and do a little other work first. Maybe think about my question from a different way then, if it’s just that simple. It doesn’t seem that simple, especially if we have the option of another timeline.

I know there is a lot of nebulous stuff that comes up because we don’t have enough info on the situation and timeline for Jacob and Nemesis. But we do know that somehow Locke and his death played a crucial role – his death as a certain event – that created a loophole for Jacob and Nemesis to get at each other. (Something that seems important to the whole plot at this point…)

So I just wanted to somehow apply your line of thinking that at the beginning of Season 6 we will have Locke back in a wheelchair, in LAX, and something that then creates the timeline that Locke is on the island as we have seen from Season 1-5 right up until he’s again off island in 2008 dead.

I have more thoughts on why I’m thinking of this but I have to drink coffee and do a little other work first.

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23264 highbrow Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:26:06 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23264 I'm not really sure if the Locke/Focke situation is related to alternate timelines. Sure, there's a Locke in both but in one he's dead and his form as been assumed by a guy who's most defining feature is that he wears a black t-shirt. Maybe the significance is that Locke would probably be (if not for Jacob) dead in both timelines. I’m not really sure if the Locke/Focke situation is related to alternate timelines. Sure, there’s a Locke in both but in one he’s dead and his form as been assumed by a guy who’s most defining feature is that he wears a black t-shirt. Maybe the significance is that Locke would probably be (if not for Jacob) dead in both timelines.

]]> By: kimberly http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23244 kimberly Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:12:18 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23244 And just to be clear - I did as much reading as I could handle (multiple times) on AES' Alternate Timeline 101 discussion and a few other more recent posts, but I didn't see mention of Locke's situation in the mix there. If it is simply because it is much easier to classify two bunnies as simply two bunnies than it is dead Locke/fake Locke, I get that. But that's also why I'm asking. And just to be clear – I did as much reading as I could handle (multiple times) on AES’ Alternate Timeline 101 discussion and a few other more recent posts, but I didn’t see mention of Locke’s situation in the mix there. If it is simply because it is much easier to classify two bunnies as simply two bunnies than it is dead Locke/fake Locke, I get that. But that’s also why I’m asking.

]]> By: kimberly http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/my-theory-of-alternate-timelines-and-the-problem-of-blissful-ignorance/#comment-23243 kimberly Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:40:54 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=8212#comment-23243 Okay, so I'm trying to turn my Lost brain on and I've read a few things, and I have one immediately nagging question with this alternate timeline thing. I haven't seen it addressed fully, so maybe you guys can make something of it. (And if it was already discussed, send me there.) How does dead Locke/fake Locke fit into this event/timeline that you are referencing in the theory? I have other questions and thoughts, but somehow there is something there with the idea that these "two versions" of Locke somewhat represent the possibility of two versions of a timeline. Go ahead, send me back to summer school. Just be nice about it. Okay, so I’m trying to turn my Lost brain on and I’ve read a few things, and I have one immediately nagging question with this alternate timeline thing. I haven’t seen it addressed fully, so maybe you guys can make something of it. (And if it was already discussed, send me there.)

How does dead Locke/fake Locke fit into this event/timeline that you are referencing in the theory? I have other questions and thoughts, but somehow there is something there with the idea that these “two versions” of Locke somewhat represent the possibility of two versions of a timeline.

Go ahead, send me back to summer school. Just be nice about it.

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