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	<title>Comments on: The Finite/Infinite Game: A New Way to View Jacob/Nemesis Conflict</title>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/the-finiteinfinite-game-a-new-way-to-view-jacobnemesis-conflict/#comment-23725</link>
		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what is great about this concept. It can be applied to almost any situation in Lost. You will find it in everyday life also. Jacobs vs. Nemesis is the most prominant example out of many on the Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what is great about this concept. It can be applied to almost any situation in Lost. You will find it in everyday life also. Jacobs vs. Nemesis is the most prominant example out of many on the Island.</p>
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		<title>By: dabiatchishere</title>
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		<dc:creator>dabiatchishere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achalli, your post inspired me, but not to write my own theory!

You have taken the &#039;game theory&#039; to a whole other level, and applied that to Lost in a way which has never made more sense.

Applying your exceptional work, to other key elements which are happening, makes much more sense to me now and the overall story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achalli, your post inspired me, but not to write my own theory!</p>
<p>You have taken the &#8216;game theory&#8217; to a whole other level, and applied that to Lost in a way which has never made more sense.</p>
<p>Applying your exceptional work, to other key elements which are happening, makes much more sense to me now and the overall story.</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenius, I&#039;m glad you enjoyed this post. You may want tocheck out my post entitled &quot;Jacob&#039;s Choice.&quot; It is a good companion piece to this post. Just click on my screen name to pull up all the posts I have done. I suggest that you check out all the past posts of others commenting hear as they all have very interesting posts also.

Murphiavelli, first I love your screen name. You are correct in your statement about Ben changing the rules first.  But when he did that the current game between them was invalidated and a new game began. It was this second game that Widmore invalidated by in solving Alex. 

AES, I really like your take on this. Every person is in charge of themselves and are the only one who truly controls there life. I know from past discussions we&#039;ve had that we both share an interest in a certain, rather thick book which is the foundation of this post in a way.

Crysis101, I like your thought about the Island being a referee. As for the O6 going back they all chose to go back. They all had different reasons but they did chose. Every single person has a choice.     

Ilie, even paralyzed patients have a choice. They can choose to let their disability to rule them or they can rise above it and not let it stand in their way.

Dabs,  I consider it a great compliment to know that a post of mine inspired someone else to think about a theory of their own. I can&#039;t wait to see what you come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenius, I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed this post. You may want tocheck out my post entitled &#8220;Jacob&#8217;s Choice.&#8221; It is a good companion piece to this post. Just click on my screen name to pull up all the posts I have done. I suggest that you check out all the past posts of others commenting hear as they all have very interesting posts also.</p>
<p>Murphiavelli, first I love your screen name. You are correct in your statement about Ben changing the rules first.  But when he did that the current game between them was invalidated and a new game began. It was this second game that Widmore invalidated by in solving Alex. </p>
<p>AES, I really like your take on this. Every person is in charge of themselves and are the only one who truly controls there life. I know from past discussions we&#8217;ve had that we both share an interest in a certain, rather thick book which is the foundation of this post in a way.</p>
<p>Crysis101, I like your thought about the Island being a referee. As for the O6 going back they all chose to go back. They all had different reasons but they did chose. Every single person has a choice.     </p>
<p>Ilie, even paralyzed patients have a choice. They can choose to let their disability to rule them or they can rise above it and not let it stand in their way.</p>
<p>Dabs,  I consider it a great compliment to know that a post of mine inspired someone else to think about a theory of their own. I can&#8217;t wait to see what you come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: dabiatchishere</title>
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		<dc:creator>dabiatchishere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achalli, I just wanted to let you know that your theory has inspired me with a great deal of thought.

What you have presented is, the &#039;ultimate game theory&#039; and have taken it to the next level.  A &#039;Universal&#039; level, which makes it even more plausible in a variety of ways, and fits in nicely and adds further meaning to the overall story arc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achalli, I just wanted to let you know that your theory has inspired me with a great deal of thought.</p>
<p>What you have presented is, the &#8216;ultimate game theory&#8217; and have taken it to the next level.  A &#8216;Universal&#8217; level, which makes it even more plausible in a variety of ways, and fits in nicely and adds further meaning to the overall story arc.</p>
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		<title>By: crysis01</title>
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		<dc:creator>crysis01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Achalli, lots of good stuff here. I&#039;d like to commen the &quot;A player who MUST play a game CAN NOT play a game&quot; portion. If you think of the finite game as a game of backgammon being played by Jacob and MIB, those two would be considered the players of the game. While those two are the players, the rest of the people on the island would be the pawns. While Jacob and MIB have a choice of whether to play or not, the pawns do not. 

There was an example above regarding the O6 choosing to come back to the island but did what other choices did they have? None of them came back to the island because they wanted to with the exception of possibly Jack. Jack was on a downward spiral with aloholism and loosing his medical liscense, Kate was at risk of losing Aaron and wanted to find Claire, Hurley was wanted for murder and was already living in a nut house, Sun wanted to find her Husband, and Sayid was &quot;arrested&quot;.  Ben is a major pawn in this game and he manipulated Jack, Kate, and Sun into going back to the island and we saw Jacob have a direct manipulation to get Hurley and Sayid back to the island. 

So, I do not believe that they really had much of a choice to come back to the island, and if they did it was easily manipulated.

I believe that the game is between Jacob and MIB with the rest of the characters acting as Pawns, and who knows, maybe the island acts as a referee. When one side breaks the rules, the island does what it can to make the game fair again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Achalli, lots of good stuff here. I&#8217;d like to commen the &#8220;A player who MUST play a game CAN NOT play a game&#8221; portion. If you think of the finite game as a game of backgammon being played by Jacob and MIB, those two would be considered the players of the game. While those two are the players, the rest of the people on the island would be the pawns. While Jacob and MIB have a choice of whether to play or not, the pawns do not. </p>
<p>There was an example above regarding the O6 choosing to come back to the island but did what other choices did they have? None of them came back to the island because they wanted to with the exception of possibly Jack. Jack was on a downward spiral with aloholism and loosing his medical liscense, Kate was at risk of losing Aaron and wanted to find Claire, Hurley was wanted for murder and was already living in a nut house, Sun wanted to find her Husband, and Sayid was &#8220;arrested&#8221;.  Ben is a major pawn in this game and he manipulated Jack, Kate, and Sun into going back to the island and we saw Jacob have a direct manipulation to get Hurley and Sayid back to the island. </p>
<p>So, I do not believe that they really had much of a choice to come back to the island, and if they did it was easily manipulated.</p>
<p>I believe that the game is between Jacob and MIB with the rest of the characters acting as Pawns, and who knows, maybe the island acts as a referee. When one side breaks the rules, the island does what it can to make the game fair again.</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn phone keypad.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn phone keypad.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/01/the-finiteinfinite-game-a-new-way-to-view-jacobnemesis-conflict/#comment-23499</link>
		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone. Thanks for your comments. I just want to let you all know that I will be able to respond to all of you later this evening. This isone time I wish work wasn&#039;t necessary.  You really all providing me with great comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone. Thanks for your comments. I just want to let you all know that I will be able to respond to all of you later this evening. This isone time I wish work wasn&#8217;t necessary.  You really all providing me with great comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there im new here been reading for a long time so excited to read these theories!

I really like this theory.Im off to read up on something you could connect with that also and ill be back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there im new here been reading for a long time so excited to read these theories!</p>
<p>I really like this theory.Im off to read up on something you could connect with that also and ill be back!</p>
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		<title>By: A.E.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.E.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this.

Its certain that there is a theme involving the snub of ones fate.

But the person has to believe it on the isalnd.

Things just dont happen...people have to make them happen.

I see it like this. With the others, and the frieghter, and the Dharma Initiative...what is the one thing we see occur over and over...none of them can stop the Losties from doing what they want.

Sure opposition can kill people...but that doesnt mean that they stop them. They return from the dead. They walk when they should not able to. 
When Locke is in the jungle in earlier seasons, there are several times when he feels like he cannot walk...like he is again paralyzed.
Sometimes he snaps himself out, sometimes it takes a young boy, who could possibly turn out to be either of the two gentlemen from the opening of the incidnt, a wrinkle in time, or even a monster...but once he starts believing...well, I believe this may be an example of Locke saying NO to what SHOULD be...

Achalli, great thoughts here...I love your ideas on freedom on Lost...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this.</p>
<p>Its certain that there is a theme involving the snub of ones fate.</p>
<p>But the person has to believe it on the isalnd.</p>
<p>Things just dont happen&#8230;people have to make them happen.</p>
<p>I see it like this. With the others, and the frieghter, and the Dharma Initiative&#8230;what is the one thing we see occur over and over&#8230;none of them can stop the Losties from doing what they want.</p>
<p>Sure opposition can kill people&#8230;but that doesnt mean that they stop them. They return from the dead. They walk when they should not able to.<br />
When Locke is in the jungle in earlier seasons, there are several times when he feels like he cannot walk&#8230;like he is again paralyzed.<br />
Sometimes he snaps himself out, sometimes it takes a young boy, who could possibly turn out to be either of the two gentlemen from the opening of the incidnt, a wrinkle in time, or even a monster&#8230;but once he starts believing&#8230;well, I believe this may be an example of Locke saying NO to what SHOULD be&#8230;</p>
<p>Achalli, great thoughts here&#8230;I love your ideas on freedom on Lost&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, not everyone has a choice. Think of paralyzed patients who have to live a life (=game) regardless of whether they&#039;d rather die or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, not everyone has a choice. Think of paralyzed patients who have to live a life (=game) regardless of whether they&#8217;d rather die or not.</p>
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