Comments on: The variable

By: Tas

Tas — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:31:19 +0000

scrollocke, the fact that Juliet isn’t seen to be irrational over relationships, then this action seeming to a a different emotional response is my point. Juliet acted in a way she wouldn’t normally changing her actions which leads to the bomb going off this time around. Juliet knew Sawyer would stay with her ‘if she let him’ but she didn’t want to be with someone always thinking ‘ are they thnking about someone else?’ She chose differently.

By: ScrollLocke

ScrollLocke — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:27:40 +0000

@waycurious: Indeed. Juliet always knew Sawyer would dump her for Kate if she ever came back. Too bad for Jacob though, that he didn’t get to “touch” her!

By: waycurious

waycurious — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:24:08 +0000

I always figured she wasn’t touched ‘cuz she wasn’t a 815er and Ilana was just to add mystery and an ‘ah ha’ moment, and the purpose of the scene was to remind her that Sawyer was just gonna’ dump her for Kate.

By: ScrollLocke

ScrollLocke — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:20:46 +0000

Tas: Very powerful if she only truly loved Sawyer.

However, wasn’t the point of the flashback with her parents to show that you can truly love somebody without that relationship being “meant to be” – implying then that you can truly love multiple people, and that love can last beyond being in an actual relationship?

As far as we know she could have truly loved Edmund, Goodwin, and even Jack, and Sawyer – but none of them were “meant to be”.

I think she always knew it wasn’t going to last with Sawyer. She told him “..you would stay with me forever IF I LET YOU.”

She blew up the bomb, not just for Sawyer, but also for the fact that never found the one she was “meant to be” with, whatever that means.

I suppose her reason to blow up the bomb is just as selfish as Jack (for Kate), Sawyer (for Juliet), Kate (for Jack), Sayid (for Nadia)….but it is ONLY Juliet who matters in the equation since she was the only one who actually had the opportunity to blow the bomb.

If the bomb turns out to be a major plot point, meaning it creates the ALT, whatever, I feel like they should have spent more time on Juliet’s character being irrational when it comes to love/relationships.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:41:57 +0000

oh, Good call Tas. I guess it could be for that too. (I can’t believe I didn’t realize that.)

By: Tas

Tas — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:29:10 +0000

Her past could be the point, Sawyer isthe only one she truely loves and her sacrifice is for him and that love. That’s hugely powerful.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:23:18 +0000

I agree ScrollLocke. After rewatching the episode recently, Juliette’s was an extremely weak flashback, and an even stupider 15 minutes around the whole fiasco. It seemed like rushed writing which is rare with these guys. That’s why I’m wondering if the only purpose of her flashback was to show us that Jacob was not there. Anyway, I agree. Very lame.

By: ScrollLocke

ScrollLocke — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:16:53 +0000

I just can’t believe the whole ALT scenario comes down to an emotional last minute decision by Juliet based around her beliefs about love – that we only found out about in the same episode in a scene that took 5 seconds! Lame.

-Juliet gracefully accepted that Jack only kissed her to prove that he didn’t already love Kate. This is after they had already kissed and Juliet had genuine feelings for him.
-Juliet “caught” her ex-husband making out with a chick afterhours at work. She didn’t freak out, she was calm, maybe hurt, but calm.
-Juliet gets with Goodwin. Goodwin is killed. She wants to go back home, but she always wanted to go back home. No weird reaction here.

I guess I’m just trying to say that Juliet, although plagued with bad luck concerning relationships, was consistent, rational, calm, ect. in response to them ….

The fact that all of a sudden, in her final episode, she changes the course of the entire show by a snap, emotional/relationship based decision….WTF?

I buy into ALT, and maybe even the idea that Juliet is indeed the variable that created the ALT, it’s just sad that her character was so amazing and strong, only to be withered down to a sappy emotional blah (Sawyer didn’t even say he loved her back!!!) who never gets off the island, who never gets to see her sister again, who dies in selfish sacrifice.

By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue

ilieintheshadowofthestatue — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:30:56 +0000

Yes, the flashbacks in The Incident seem to show us that everyone’s actions were affected by Jacob except for Juliet. The flashback for Juliet served to show us why she acted as she acted in The Incident. But it was not Jacob’s work. Was it intentional by Jacob? Maybe.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:36:02 +0000

I watched “The Incident” again a couple days ago. I’m on board with Yojimbo and others here. It should be obvious to us all that Juliet’s flashback was only important because Jacob was no where around. Out of the 8 flashbacks in the entire episode, it was the seventh one, and it had basically no meaning. A two minute family sit down about divorce? Obviously strange timing for a flashback like that. The writers and producers went through all the trouble to show us Jacob was NOT there.