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What about me?! What about you?
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Loading ...Jacob didn’t really seem to motivated to stop Ben from killing him. He tells “Benjamin” that “whatever he’s told you, I want you to know you have a choice”. What level of choice did he give Ben after acting like a total douche to him? Of course, there is always a choice, but Jacob didn’t give him much reason to make the choice. Similarly, Jacob tells Hurley (in the taxi from prison) that he has a choice to return to the island or not, but Jacob leaves the guitar with Hurley as he exits the cab. If one of the Oceanic 6 were going to be manipulated into going back to the island through emotional memories of Charlie, it would be Hurley. Jacob knew by leaving the guitar with Hurley, he’d end up going. Yes, still a choice on Hurley’s part, as it was for Ben, but it’s the manipulation involved in increasing the probability that people make those choices. It’s the same crap that Ben pulled throughout the series and had my wife yelling at the television.
The dichotomy between choice and fate play big here. It seems both sides are manipulating the variables in the equation, running the experiment over many trials through time travel, all in the effort to progress to the end (beach conversation between Jacob and Nemesis). Though we have not seen Nemesis (as of yet) travel off the island like Jacob. I liken Nemesis to Cerebrus, in this vein, that they both want solitude and isolation for the island, free from corrupt outsiders.
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About Inquisitor:
Started watching Lost in September 2009; finished Seasons 1-5 in 20 days.. my wife was not thrilled during this time. I am a believer in John Locke and that he may somehow still play a key (and good) role on the island.
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@16:58:41
Jacob acted EXACTLY like Anthony Cooper did to Sawyer just before bein’ murdered.
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@17:11:59
I actually think the “What about you?” is meant because I think Jacob is the one who “fixed” a young Ben when he was shot by Sayid.
Just my take…
Richard: Jacob, Young Ben needs help he is going to die…
Jacob: Ok, (poof…magic healing) Ben is fixed…
…thirty years later…
Ben: (boohoo) What about me?
Jacob: What about you?
Ok, maybe not like that…but you get the drift…
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@17:43:06
I agree with TawaretsAnkh here, Ben’s just not a good guy. Fair enough I do like him and I think he’s a great character but in no way does that make him one of the good guys.
Would the island let a good guy get Cancer? Fair enough Jack landed on the island and he just happened to be a spinal surgeon but was Jack supposed to help Ben?
Put it this way, Rose ties with Hurley in the nicest person on the island contest and she came to the island with Cancer and the island cured it.
Good catch on the Jacob healing Ben when he was younger thing, I’ve been thinking about that since I watched the episode where Richard takes a young Ben into the Temple. The Temple is a “safe place” for The Others, The Other do Jacobs bidding, so we would assume that Jacobs mystical healing powers have saved young Ben after he was shot by Sayid, we know he can do it, we saw him bring Locke back from the dead after Cooper pushed him out the window.
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@17:44:17
Sorry that good catch was for you A.E.S…
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@08:52:38
Hi Inquisitor, you are absolutely correct about the ‘dichotomy’ between free will and fate. Jacob and Nemesis are diametrically opposed.
I also think your statements regarding the ‘end game’ are accurate in terms of how long this struggle has been occurring over the ‘time’ aspects.
I have one additional thought on the scenario of why Jacob speaks to Ben with some apparent contempt. Jacob is aware that Ben has manipulated ‘the island’ for selfish intent. Jacob’s tone seemed quite callous.
Waycurious, very nice catch on Sawyer and Cooper!
Great thoughts and comments!
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@11:16:27
I like that too Dabs…its easinly the most logical choice considering everything we saw.
If Jacob knows all, then he not only knows Ben used the isalnd…but Ben used JACOB himself to scare people into doing what they wanted.
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@11:27:10
AES, you make an excellent point regarding Jacob knowing about Ben’s manipulations of him. No wonder his voice held such contempt.
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@07:31:46
I’m not saying Ben is a good guy or anything.. I can’t stand him! But waycurious’ remark of the Sawyer/Cooper thing is exactly what I’m talking about.. How much choice is Jacob giving Ben by speaking to him with contempt when the man is holding a knife ready to kill him??
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