Comments on: You have no idea what I’ve gone through to be here.

By: Roland

Roland — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:05:08 +0000

I did say i did not think they were going to use the many worlds theory.

By: Jj23

Jj23 — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:53:30 +0000

@Roland

The difference here is that we have been introduced in Lost to a property of the universe that does not exist in the many worlds theory : course correcting. So basically there is a certain capacity for the universe to avoid splitting every single second. Charlie’s death is the best example of that. Ok you can fool death for 1 day, 2 days, but eventually it will happen. So to make the timelines split, you have to make a HUGE move. changing a little bit here and there will not split the timelines because the universe has a funny way of course correcting.

Faraday’s thought about that at the end of Season 5 was that he needed to do something in Timeline 1 that was SO major that it couldn’t be course-corrected. Blowing a hydrogen bomb on a site where you’re supposed to build a hatch is the best thing he thought. This is so major that it could take 40 years for the universe to course-correct itself down to 1 reality. During these 40 years, 2 timelines have emerged.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:36:51 +0000

Right. the show is usually enjoyable regardless, and that’s what matters. But not anymore. I want things to start making sense dammit.

By: Roland

Roland — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:26:24 +0000

It is confusing as hell. I think we have all been chasing our tails for weeks around here. I go back and forth in my mind on whether or not there is some alt time or WHH rules.
Thankfully we only have less than two weeks til we start getting some answers. Then again, maybe not!

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:15:39 +0000

Roland – You get exactly what I’m saying. I didn’t know there was a term for it (many worlds theory).

I suppose my biggest problem is understanding how ONLY TWO timelines are in effect, parallel, or simulaneously joined (what the hell am I talking about) because of a single decision. Again, decisions are made hundreds of times a day.

It’s too cheesy for one person, Jack in this case, to say “let’s change the future! I elect NOT to let this hatch be built!”, and for that to actually change the future. It’s impossible. If this is the way the show goes, I’ll be a bit disappointed. God, I’ve been a real negative ass lately. I apologize.

Roland – about your question though, I see your point. What IS the significance of what Juliet did? Well, no idea. Maybe she blew up the hatch, and everyone along with it. But someone else came along a year later and built a new hatch anyway, and therefore everyone dies, for good. That’s about the only thing that would suck worse than alternate timelines

By: Roland

Roland — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:15:25 +0000

Hey Chief, have you ever read the many worlds theory? In it every decision we make IS a quantum event causing another world to exist with us making the opposite decision. Lost, I believe, isn’t going down that road which would be much harder to explain than one event causing time to split.
I’m not sure if blowing up the bomb resets time and the plane lands at LAX but there has to be some consequence to Juliets action or what was the purpose of even showing it? Just to throw us off? I don’t think the writers would go thru that much trouble just to say it didn’t change anything.

By: Jj23

Jj23 — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:49:25 +0000

That’s pretty much it, either you believe in WHH or either you believe in alternate timelines We’ll know in 12 days.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:47:28 +0000

I bet that entire episode was a red herring. Jack and co. didn’t prevent the plane from crashing, and “They’re coming” from Jacob, isn’t referring to the Losties.

By: Chiefof16

Chiefof16 — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:35:22 +0000

It has seemed funny to me that the decision to detonate a bomb in 1977 is going to tear the island into 2 simultaneous timelines. That was simply one choice made in one day. Choices are made EVERY day, even on this island. Just because it was emphasized to us that they’re trying to change the future by “blowing up a bomb”, it shouldn’t mean that this ONE “incident” actually accomplished that. I agree with Miles, and I suppose I’m on team WHH. 2007 is a representation and a result of everything that has happened before. This includes the bomb explosion. Nice try Jack, and fellow losties. That bomb didn’t explode. The island moved through time again and we’re about to find out when they are in just a couple weeks.

By: greatforsaken

greatforsaken — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:28:06 +0000

How can two timelines exist simultaneously? I dont think that there are two timelines that are warring against each other. Locke is dead, he is a vessel being used by MIB to manipulate people into doing the deeds he can’t do himself.

As far as knowing what all he went thru to be where he is….we have already seen most of it. Making John think he is special, setting him up to be the leader of the Others, and then telling him he needed to move the island and that he would have to die. MIB knew that they would bring his dead body back to the island most likely (he might have manipulated Hawking to make this happen) and he knew once he was back on the island as a corpse, he was free to use that body at his own discretion. The only part of his scheming that we havent seen I think maybe what he has promised Hawking/Widmore to get them to do their part in his scheme. I think he used Widmore in order to create a situation in which the island needed to be moved in the first place.