How’s This Possible???
Ok while commenting on Dabs theory I had to remember all the Characters we seen that Jack saw from his Alt Reality & for some reason it got me thinking of the interactions between each other while on the Island & I started thinking of he interactions that wouldnt be happening due to the Jughead going off in 1977.
An I thought of Jack & Locke interacting in this Alt Reality at LAX & thought well did the bomb going off effect their lives in anyway in this Alt Reality & thought well Jack’s dad is still dead (debatable to some) & Locke is still in a wheelchair & probably lying about going on the walkabout this time around but heres the question…
How is it possible for John Locke to be alive & paralyzed if there is no Island? If Anthony Cooper (John’s Dad/Real Mr. Sawyer) pushed John Locke out of the window from that high up then how did he survive WITHOUT Jacob’s touch? John Locke looked like life was brought back into him as soon as Jacob touched him.
Its probably debatable if he was dead or alive when Jacob touched him but that moment HAD TO BE significant if Jacob did it at that moment in his life, All the other losties that were visited by Jacob was at some significant time in their lives but I dont think anybody’s was as important & at a more significant time then when Jacob touches Locke.
So without an Island then how is Jacob possible? Ok, for people that believe he would of survived the fall regardless of Jacob being there then how about this…Why is John even in Australia in the Alt Reality? Locke says to go on the walkabout & even if somehow he did, hows it possible that he even wanted or even heard of an Australian outback walkabout?
Remember Matthew Abaddon? He was the hospital orderly that first told Locke about the Walkabout after Locke gets paralyzed & puts Locke on a path to be on Oceanic 815 so he can get to the Island obviously. Now we know Abaddon works for Charles Widmore but If Jughead destroyed the Island & maybe even Widmore being killed in the process then how is it possible or even relevant that John goes on this walkabout? Hows it possible for Locke to even want to go on a walkabout if it wasnt for Abaddon?
I wasnt sure if questions or theories but if its necessary ill put it in the questions section but I thought maybe give it a shot in theories because I put a lil more thought into this than my usual questions.
All very good points. That I don’t believe will be addressed.
My best guess is that he was never thrown out of a building and got injured in a different way (but not die). Sure, he was hesitant to tell Jack on how it happened, but that’s probably to trick us that the story’s the same for Locke in this timeline.
Hi Bing, these are exactly the types of scenarios we should be asking ourselves, I feel.
You are making some very good connections, and have brought up issues that I am also looking for answers on.
The one scenario in particular that is providing me with difficulty is Matthew Abaddon.
I am certain there will be many pieces to the puzzle that we will see play out differently.
cliff87 makes a very good analogy with Locke’s injury.
Great thoughts!
Wow now that would be some Coincidence. To know about the walkabout & being paralyzed but for him to know or experience either it would have to be totally different from his original timeline.
Cause if he is pushed he dies, If he gets paralyzed another way ok but how can you explain knowing about the walkabout without Widmore & Abaddon?
For his original Timeline to differ from his Alt Reality then the Bomb going off in 1977 on the Island will have to directly effect John Locke in his Alt Reality in someway significant like his father Anthony Cooper being on the Island at the time & never being able to push Locke later or something along those lines.
@TawaretsAnkh- That is a really good explanation but why is John on this Walkabout? How does he know about this? We can assume that if John had his legs maybe he’d be more adventurous in an Alt Reality we seen him before he met his father with the use of his legs & he was just another guy working to live until he meets his father, too coincidental for me.
If what your saying is true then like I said before that the bomb will have to effect John significantly for his life to be altered from what it originally was, especially his past, everything up until the landing at LAX it seems there lives are already scripted & its only the crash thats been altered not their past, unless they are directly effected.
No I wasnt talking about your comment cliff, I was commenting on Xander’s comment.
I think this is going to be the end of one episode : Jack and John discussing about what happened and John saying : ahhh I had a car accident.
Sorry about the spoiler. Though technically it isn’t a spoiler if the information is available to anyone with an Internet connection or had gone to comicon.
It was a short trailer shown at comicon which gave this info.
As for how Locke and others were effected…that doesn’t ever need to be revealed. It is taken for granted. Mainly because the butterfly effect is well known as common knowledge these days. Look it up if you don’t. But it does explain how Locke and others could be effected. It is a ripple in time. Anyways, that’s my original thought based on basic knowledge of time theories. The Island sank after the electromagnetic energy was negated by the H bomb. My theory is that the electromagnetic pocket kept the Island afloat, therefore giving a possible explanation why the tides never seemed quite right. That is because it floats and isn’t connected to the earth like an ordinary island. Once that happened, everyone on the Island died except the losties, because they were transported back to their timeline. All those people who died originally lived longer lives and effected other people’s lives, and those people effected other people’s lives, and so on. Think about it, if you introduced 2 of your best friends and they got married, had kids, and let’s say you were on the Island when it sank. You would never introduce those 2 friends and they would never have kids. And those kids would never live the lives they were supposed to. It is like a chain reaction that in some way would effectthe characters. But obviously it didn’t effect their fates too much because Jack’s dad is still dead, Charlie is still a junkie, and Locke it still paralyzed.
The writers wouldn’t bother filling you in on the details of how Locke ended up going on the walkabout anyway. It would be meticulous and pointless.
I really dont see how Locke being on that walkabout is totally pointless. An how is that not a spoiler??? I’m not looking at official comic con info & to assume that everyone knows this info just cause its online is kind of crazy. If I personally knew some inside info on the show & posted it on here would be a spoiler!
I simply put ideas that I thought of myself & try to contribute to other’s post just on the information giving by the show & from how I perceive it but if its not a spoiler then why dont you just make a post telling all the info you’ve read about WHATS TO COME NEXT?
Do you know the definition of a Spoiler Xander???
“Spoiler-is slang for any element of any summary or description of any piece of fiction that reveals any plot element which will give away the outcome of a dramatic episode within the work of fiction, or the conclusion of the entire work. Because enjoyment of fiction sometimes depends upon the dramatic tension and suspense which arises within it, the external revelation of such plot elements can “spoil” the enjoyment that some consumers of the narrative would otherwise have experienced.
Thats from Wikipedia but im not trying to argue with you or anything but next time you comment on anything of mine keep in mind IM NOT reading Comic con posts or Podcasts & what the producers say so dont give ANY info regarding my questions or theories unless it is Original thought on your part Thanks & thats to everybody but I thought most knew that.
You’re all assuming that the bomb caused the island to sink. I think we’ve all learnt that you can’t taken anything for granted on Lost. The island sinking and killing everyone in 1977 would have MASSIVE effects on lots of people, but what if the island sank later due to an event started by the bomb. You’ve then still got Widmore (and Abbadon) Eloise, DI, Jacob, smokie etc… still being able to impact their lives. I agree BiNG to have Locke paralysed and on a Walkabout for different reasons seems to be a bit too much of a coincidence.
I think we’ll find out the island is underwater for a different reason to the bomb going off. (Plus after 30 years underwater the wooden cabins looked to be in pretty good nick.)
Also people are forgetting the large ideas of fate and course correction in Lost. Perhaps john always went on the walkabout, with or without abbadon. hes not the only person in the world to hear about that sort of thing.
some people will say “well thats too big of a coincidence” but then have we been watching the same show? Where all the character’s backstories are intertwined and have 1 degree of separation between themselves that they are unaware of.
Here’s another thought… If you notice the difference of the swan hatch after it impoldes when Desmond first turns the key compared to what we were shown last week – it seems to be a completely different aftermath! What if everything on the Island stayed the same during the alt universe all the way up to (or close to) the Alt. scenes we were shown. The course correction in the Alt. timeline made Desmond turn the key at a different time then we originally saw, and what we were shown last week was that course correction event – not the original turn key event. This would make sense and answer all these questions posted here.
The differences in the Swan hatch explosion aftermath could have been continuity errors; they couldnt probably fully replicate the original look of the site.
That being said, you have a good point with Desmond. Most of us are assuming that Desmond never made it the island in the new timeline, but what if his ‘conscience” thing or whatever warped him prior to the swan explosion. But i’m going with continuity errors lol.
All of this is speculation but in my mind Desmond wouldn’t have gone to the island because Widmore would have (most likely) died during the nuke on the island. This means there’s no race around the world for Desmond to go on.
As for the rest of this, you all are making the assumption that since the island is underwater Jacob must be gone. This is most likely not the case. I hold the belief that this season is about showing us how course correction works. Showing us the alt. universe where something that wasn’t supposed to happen happened and also showing us the timeline that consists of everything that is supposed to happen (the one with the island above water). I think that at some point in the season (probably sooner rather than later) these two timelines will merge at where the universe is finally able to course correct.
Anyways, the reason I said all of this, some of you might remember Abadon saying that he helps people get where they’re supposed to be. We have always assumed that he was working for Widmore since he helps Locke in ‘The Life and Death of Jeremy Benthem.’ I would argue it’s just as likely that he’s working for Jacob (Just as Ilana and some of the Ajira Losties are) and it just so happens that Widmore’s desires match that of Jacob’s. In this case even with Widmore dead, Abadon would still visit Locke in the hospital and Jacob would still bring Locke back to life. Thus making it possible for all of the above to hold true.
-Benhamine
First of all who told you that it was the Jughead that sunk the island? The cause of this could have been anything.