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to be ‘claimed’ by the island

‘Claimed’ I know! I was shocked when I heard it, and that is just the closest literal translation!

So what does it mean? A darkness inside of you will spread until it reaches your heart and then everything you are will be lost. You will be ‘claimed’!

Obviously the others want to kill anyone they believe to have been ‘claimed’ so it must not be good, and the only person we know for sure that it has happened too is Claire.

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I do not believe that their is a connection between the spring & being infected. Sayid was shot, Jacob wants him alive, he goes to ‘the temple’ and then into the spring, Dogen tells Jack “there can be risks”. Sayid wakes up and remembers nothing.

A young & shot Benjamin Linus who according to Richard “Jacob wanted alive” was brought into ‘the temple’ to be healed as well, Richard even told Kate & Sawyer that there would be ‘side effects’ (he would remember nothing & always be an other).

Seems to me that they put little Ben in that same sping 30 years before. Only that time the water was clear, Dogen did not have to test it by cutting his hand and checking to see if it would heal (it didn’t).

They decided to try it anyway, I mean why not, Sayid is gonig to die anyway! No harm done.
It didn’t work, tough $hit, your friend is dead, accept it.

BUT WHEN SAYID WOKE UP – Lennon ran up those stairs, checking over his shoulder, told Dogen immediately. The spring did not work, they knew that – SOMETHING ELSE BROUGHT HIM BACK TO LIFE! The others never tested/diagnosed Ben (he would remember post spring torture), never even considered the idea that he had been ‘claimed’, he was raised as an other and even became the leader!

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Now this makes me think that the walking dead have resurrected as a result of having been ‘claimed’ by this darkness. We only know for sure that Claire is on this list but I have a pretty good idea about the others!

1. Claire
2. Christian
3. Science Team (you can’t shoot the smoke monster)

Soon to be John Locke?

I do not think any of these people were brought to the spring before they ‘changed’ which only further proves that the spring & infection are not connected.
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I beleive this ‘darkness’ to be a separate entity from the smoke monster/flocke. I think this is where the MIB derives his power, maybe he was the first to consume this darkness. Allow it to become apart of him willingly, without having died.

The producers have confirmed in an interview that the MIB has been on the island for thousands of years and ‘home’ is off the island.

Maybe he can’t leave because he has been claimed as well!

Maybe *the island* is what claims you!

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If ‘claimed’ Dogen says that, everything you are will be lost. Why have they left Claire alive?
When Kate refers to the trap as belonging to Rousseau, Justin (idiot other) say’s that it does not belong to her, she has been dead for 3 years… and then is quickly hushed. Aldo is hiding something

*He was going to say that the traps belong to Claire*

Dogen knows she is out there, if she is so dangerous and evil, why do they just allow her to roam?
More questions!!!

I think this is proof that Christian (his body claimed) & the smoke monster are not the same. I think the island has been given a force of its own, and apparently it is dark!

Maybe Jacob was the counter balance to that darkness!

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I needed that pain to get to where I am now - JL

19 thoughts on “to be ‘claimed’ by the island

  1. Yes I do, I think the word infection was used to help us associate it with what happened to Rousseau’s team.

    If MIB has all of these powers, these tools, how has he not already breached the temple? He needed Jacob out of his way? Jacob is dead, now what?

    Something, and I think it is this darkness, keeps him on the island.

  2. The note said if your friend dies we’re all in a lot of trouble. Your friend is dead.

    Jacob informed/warned them what could happen w/Sayid.

    He was claimed. They know it. They can deal w/it.

    Interesting he had to choose to take that pill (or is it an admirer had to choose to kill him … ) – is it they cannot kill him much like MIB setting up Ben to kill Jacob?

  3. We really do not know what the note said.

    Sayid did die and the tenple others we like whatever it did not work.

    When he woke up the temple others were SHOCKED are you kidding, they did not see that coming.

  4. Love this theory – good one Joshcgs! One thought – maybe the incident which has caused so many polar opposites (or was it Jacob’s death …) off island has also created polar opposites on-island in a way. Previously the island helped Jin to walk, Sun get pregnant, heal Rose’s cancer. And now it is a dark force, or so we are speculating.
    All the people that have been “claimed were good people when they died but have made some major mistake – Claire deciding to give up her baby (arguable – I think she is the most innocent of all of them), Sayid who is extremely remorseful about his torture days. Maybe this “claiming” isn’t actually a bad thing, but more along the lines of being a tool in the island’s hands for whatever purpose it has. Maybe now that the incident (or Jacob’s death) has happened, the island’s purpose is also shifted. I should have just posted this as a theory. Oh well.

  5. AND does this mean Juliet will also be “claimed?” I just know she will make a reappearance. She has too many secrets untold to remain a “dead” character.

  6. one thing about claiming that always gets me is the dharma pit. They left their bodies in an open grave, why weren’t they claimed?

    also maybe the island is evil, but heals people it thinks are “candidates” to be in its service at a later time. their time on the island is a test of being a candidate.

  7. @ekolocation

    This is why I love the site, you read my theory are work off of it! That is a great idea.

    Not only do you prove that it is not as much about being left unburied as it is about being a candidate, chosen to be claimed by the island.

    But you suggest that people like Locke have been healed (given a second chance) in order to serve the island, not because the island is a miracle place.

    Maybe the island is bad, Jacob was the good protector. MIB gets his power from the island, hence why he can’t leave!

  8. Josh, even though there are parts of this I disagree with, I like your thoughts…

    Eko’s point about the open Dharma graves immediately reminded me of the vision of Horace when he directed Locke to find the cabin. Last week I was trying to think of all the visions that would be attributed to Smokey and Horace was one of them. I don’t necessarily believe that this means that we can now say that all of the DI was claimed, but it could be the extra bit of evidence to confirm it was Smokey that created that vision for directing Locke.

    One thing that I haven’t seen brought up yet regarding Sayid is this: is there any possibility that Jack had anything to do with him coming back to life? For once Jack ISN’T taking credit for fixing something and he’s finally owning up to his flaws. I know that so much points to Sayid’s ‘healing’ relating to MIB (or Jacob) but is it just worth thinking for a moment that Jack might have something to do with bringing him back to life?

    I mean, what if…? What if Jack now has “the touch” that is somewhat like Jacob’s, somewhat indicative that the healer he always thought he was is finally the kind of healer he is supposed to be?

  9. Hey Kim,

    Don’t you think we have seen a significnt difference between the smoke monster apparitions and the infected people.

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    The smoke monster apparitions appear like a hallucination, they come and go, appear and disappear (alex, yemi, walt, bens mother, etc). You can’t shoot and kill one of these things, it is almost as if it is in your mind.

    But the infected people (Claire, Science Team, Sayid) all seem to be up and about, alive and well, just not themselves. These people are able to carry guns, interact with other people, even be killed!

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    As for Christian, I am starting to think there are two as well (some one here mentioned it), an infected/claimed one and an apparition. This would explain why he is seen in so many different places, sometimes interacting, sometimes not, and why he is dressed differently in difference scense.

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    Not sure if Jacob or MIB cause the dreams that Locke have, I am starting to think that ‘the island’ itself has its own power, and that is what has claimed people.

    MIB has been claimed, probably willingly! This is why he wants to leave so bad!

  10. Josh, I agree with how you have differentiated the visions from what we know about being claimed. Obviously Christian looms as a big question mark still as to how he has been used.

    Your thoughts on the island having its own power is much like thoughts I’ve had from seasons past of the island being a character on its own. I like it. I can see how it takes the “sides” of black & white, Jacob vs. MIB to a totally new level. The idea that the island does the “claiming” makes it interesting because then we have to say that the Others are in opposition to the island since Dogen was trying to give Sayid poison… and so how does that fit what we have seen so far?

  11. Well we know that the others have a leader and that the leader answers to Jacob. So to be fair, Jacob is the real leader.

    Jacob is the true leader of the island!

    Dogen, like everyone else, was brought to the island. What if Jacob brings people because ‘they’ have the power to overcome the islands dark force.
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    What if we have had it all wrong. The duality is not between Jacob & MIB, but Jacob & The Island.

    Maybe any evil or dark force that the island poses can be countered by the prescence of Jacob.

    Jacob did refer to MIB as an ‘old friend’ which makes me think that at one point they did work together.

    I am starting to think that MIB has succumb to this dark force willingly to overthrow Jacob, and that is how he is able to manipulate the islands power.

    This claim over him, maybe why he is unable to leave the island and go ‘home’

  12. I like it.

    I have to actually get some work done now, but I like the Jacob vs. Island thing. That is a kind of writers twist that I like.

    See? Like like like.

    And if it doesn’t happen, still a great idea.

  13. if it is jacob vs the island then his mission is complete in the alternate reality. the island sunk, and doesn’t seem to hold sway over anyone.

    but perhaps it is jacob v MIB, and they disagree over whether the island is good or evil. i agree with kimberly about the island being a character, and i believe the writers have mentioned it in the past as well. hopefully well get more answers next week.

  14. Josh you’re last comment is very interesting. Do you see the allegorical implications from this if it’s true? Think of Jacob as God and MIB as Satan. In the Bible we learn that Satan was an angel, the most beautiful of all angels. Satan wanted to be God though and he challenged God. This is why he was sent to Hell. Now Satan is building his army to once again try to take on God.

    So MIB, like Satan, may have been envious of Jacob’s, God’s, power and succumbed to the island’s dark properties for power, like Satan succumbed to evil. Jacob has imprisoned him, on this island, in the cabin, wherever, and now he’s building his army to once again take on Jacob and take over, Claire, Christian, Sayid, etc.

    You could even compare Jacob to Jesus and MIB to the antichrist. The others all think of Mock Locke as their leader but they are being fooled.

    “Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?”
    -MIB

    Lost writers do love their allegories…
    -Benhamine

    P.S. I do like your theory alot 😛

  15. So just a question along these lines. If MIB couldn’t kill Jacob, then there are laws higher than both of them. I attribute this to the power of the island itself. I think the island represents a yin and yang sort of balance between the good and the evil, the dark and the light, etc. That metaphor is seen through out the show again and again, in simple and complicated forms (Rose and Bernard being a mixed couple, Lock and Walt playing chess with the light and dark pieces, evil vs. good forces, science vs. faith, etc.) There are always two ends of the spectrum fighting against each other, or in harmony with each other. So MIB and Jacob play right into this role. I think it is easy to assume that Jacob represents the stronger will of the island, but I think really Jacob’s goal is to prove that a – either there is good in everyone to be developed or b – you can change fate through influencing people’s choices while letting them make their choices. So what is MIB’s goal? To prove that change isn’t possible or that the bad in everyone overcomes. What is the island’s goal? I believe it is a balance between the two. The claiming of the dead (or undead?) is maybe a version of that balance.
    BTW – LOVE LOVE Kim’s idea about Jack having something to do with Sayid. After all, his role as leader (tattoo translation included here) and the question of his heritage is still an chapter to be addressed … and he has already changed a lot. He has a lot more faith than our man of science. I think he very well could be Jacob’s replacement and maybe was given power after Jacob’s death somehow.

  16. Joshcgs, I’d like to thank you for the thoughts you presented in your theory.

    You have really got my mind working overtime on some of the points, you have brought up here.

    I felt that I had reached some sort of conclusion until I read your theory. Your theory made me realize, that I had reached the ‘wrong’ conclusion and sent me back to the drawing boards.

    Thanks for making me think!

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