Comments on: Jughead didn’t create the ALT, the alt is the PREVIOUS timeline. http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Sinster http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-28023 Sinster Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:23:22 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-28023 I'm loving this... a lot seriously... Just 2 correct something though, Locke lied 2 Boone he never did go on the walkabout. I believe he told Helen the truth, in the substitute... I’m loving this… a lot seriously…

Just 2 correct something though, Locke lied 2 Boone he never did go on the walkabout. I believe he told Helen the truth, in the substitute…

]]> By: Odette http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27978 Odette Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:19:11 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27978 Awesome Shephards_Flocke! I love your theory! I also agree with one of your last comments "a TIMELOOP", because it just got me thinking: That would dovetail nicely with the 360 degrees in Jacob's lighthouse (loop or circle) and the Whateverhappenedhappened that has been tossed around a alot. I think we can assume that Jacob knows how things began and how things will end and the identity of every person to ever make it to the island (their names are on the wheel). If whateverhappenedhappened, then Jacob knows this because they have all already come to the island, seen and destroyed. He knows who the survivors of the plane crash will be because it has happened before--the island is in a loop--that is why the end is always the same. I am wondering now if this is all going to truly be about the journey, meaning the end is the same, but how you get there is what counts--your reasons why, or if the Losties will actually be able to make a different end....Maybe he has been touching the players at different times in their lives hoping to bring about a change in their character that will be signicant on and to the fate of the island. Awesome Shephards_Flocke! I love your theory! I also agree with one of your last comments “a TIMELOOP”, because it just got me thinking: That would dovetail nicely with the 360 degrees in Jacob’s lighthouse (loop or circle) and the Whateverhappenedhappened that has been tossed around a alot. I think we can assume that Jacob knows how things began and how things will end and the identity of every person to ever make it to the island (their names are on the wheel). If whateverhappenedhappened, then Jacob knows this because they have all already come to the island, seen and destroyed. He knows who the survivors of the plane crash will be because it has happened before–the island is in a loop–that is why the end is always the same. I am wondering now if this is all going to truly be about the journey, meaning the end is the same, but how you get there is what counts–your reasons why, or if the Losties will actually be able to make a different end….Maybe he has been touching the players at different times in their lives hoping to bring about a change in their character that will be signicant on and to the fate of the island.

]]> By: redhot http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27865 redhot Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:25:40 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27865 i do see what you mean and again i do like it, but theres definately 2 white flashes (2 beginnings) plus there is one other problem - desmond was on the plane ! and by the way he vanished and no-one seemed to see him...that was odd! i do see what you mean and again i do like it, but theres definately 2 white flashes (2 beginnings) plus there is one other problem – desmond was on the plane ! and by the way he vanished and no-one seemed to see him…that was odd!

]]> By: shephards_flocke http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27660 shephards_flocke Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:20:57 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27660 IMISSCHARLIE, as sad as it might be, i think the reason we are seeing things go so well for Jack in the 'flash sideways' his relationship with his son, his not drinking etc is to show his life off island was better the first time round, before he was 'chosen' to do what he had to on the island. I think the second time round (seasons 1-5) Jacks (and the other losties) lives have been altered somehow in negative ways (Jack doesn't have a son). This is so they feel that their mission and destiny on island is alot more important, and they have less to go back to in their real lives, less motivation to try and leave the island. They have to feel pain but its all for the greater good in the end. Like Locke DID go on the Walkabout in the 'flash sideways' but in the regular timeline he wasn't allowed to. A good example is Jacobs meeting with Sayid off island, Nadia got hit by a car, and died. Maybe we'll see in the 'flash sideways' without the 'islands' influence that Nadia is alive. And REDHOT. She hit the bomb twice, but we only saw it 'work' once, we only saw the white flash once. Until someone can explain how the bomb going off can cause a reality where they were never on the island, hence they where never there to let off the bomb in the first place, that doesn't work. The ONLY way to eplain it is this. the bomb didn't cause the alt. The alt is not parralel to the main timeline, its BEFORE it. I've been trying not to use this term as i don't wanna lose any of you, but i'll say it, as much as i hate it, its....A TIMELOOP!( Please don't hit me) Hopefully that convinces you guys further. If you got anymore questions ask away, as i have ALL the answers ;o) I haven't found a loophole in this yet, unlike all the other explanaitions i've thought of. Don't fall for the the writers red herrings, such as Jacks 'awareness' on the plane when they didn't crash or the cut on his neck. IMISSCHARLIE,

as sad as it might be, i think the reason we are seeing things go so well for Jack in the ‘flash sideways’ his relationship with his son, his not drinking etc is to show his life off island was better the first time round, before he was ‘chosen’ to do what he had to on the island. I think the second time round (seasons 1-5) Jacks (and the other losties) lives have been altered somehow in negative ways (Jack doesn’t have a son). This is so they feel that their mission and destiny on island is alot more important, and they have less to go back to in their real lives, less motivation to try and leave the island. They have to feel pain but its all for the greater good in the end. Like Locke DID go on the Walkabout in the ‘flash sideways’ but in the regular timeline he wasn’t allowed to.
A good example is Jacobs meeting with Sayid off island, Nadia got hit by a car, and died.
Maybe we’ll see in the ‘flash sideways’ without the ‘islands’ influence that Nadia is alive.

And REDHOT.

She hit the bomb twice, but we only saw it ‘work’ once, we only saw the white flash once.
Until someone can explain how the bomb going off can cause a reality where they were never on the island, hence they where never there to let off the bomb in the first place, that doesn’t work. The ONLY way to eplain it is this. the bomb didn’t cause the alt. The alt is not parralel to the main timeline, its BEFORE it. I’ve been trying not to use this term as i don’t wanna lose any of you, but i’ll say it, as much as i hate it, its….A TIMELOOP!( Please don’t hit me)

Hopefully that convinces you guys further. If you got anymore questions ask away, as i have ALL the answers ;o)
I haven’t found a loophole in this yet, unlike all the other explanaitions i’ve thought of. Don’t fall for the the writers red herrings, such as Jacks ‘awareness’ on the plane when they didn’t crash or the cut on his neck.

]]> By: redhot http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27647 redhot Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:06:17 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27647 hi shep...great theory and i do like it, as good as i've heard, but i do have a small problem with it....at the very beginning of the s6 opener, we are shown juliet hitting the bomb TWICE...i.e two beginnings as a result of her hitting the bomb....the first results in jack sitting on the plane, and the second results in the skip forward.....wouldn't this mean the losties DID cause the flash sideways??? please help! hi shep…great theory and i do like it, as good as i’ve heard, but i do have a small problem with it….at the very beginning of the s6 opener, we are shown juliet hitting the bomb TWICE…i.e two beginnings as a result of her hitting the bomb….the first results in jack sitting on the plane, and the second results in the skip forward…..wouldn’t this mean the losties DID cause the flash sideways??? please help!

]]> By: TheresaFallsUpTheStairs http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27645 TheresaFallsUpTheStairs Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:41:47 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27645 Cheifin answer to your question about whether or not a catastrophe of that size would cause global disasters in the real world there were 14 fatal plane crashes over that entire year. I know it's a long shot and obviously Lost is fiction but could be a possibilty that the writers are taking into consideration. Cheifin answer to your question about whether or not a catastrophe of that size would cause global disasters in the real world there were 14 fatal plane crashes over that entire year. I know it’s a long shot and obviously Lost is fiction but could be a possibilty that the writers are taking into consideration.

]]> By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27636 imisscharlie Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:14:04 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27636 On further thought, though, there has to be some connection between the 2 timelines. Especially for Jack--in the alt timeline he seems to have gone through some sort of conversion, or epiphany, where he is able to cope with life so much more--his relationship with his mom, son, etc. And in the on-island timeline, he seems to be on the verge of that conversion. I think we're going to find out that all the main characters are going to have a similar redemptive experience, (or die trying) and I'm just not sure how they achieve that, but I think that it will occur when the 2 timelines finally merge. What do y'all think? On further thought, though, there has to be some connection between the 2 timelines. Especially for Jack–in the alt timeline he seems to have gone through some sort of conversion, or epiphany, where he is able to cope with life so much more–his relationship with his mom, son, etc. And in the on-island timeline, he seems to be on the verge of that conversion. I think we’re going to find out that all the main characters are going to have a similar redemptive experience, (or die trying) and I’m just not sure how they achieve that, but I think that it will occur when the 2 timelines finally merge. What do y’all think?

]]> By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27635 imisscharlie Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:05:07 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27635 Shep, great divergent thinking here! I love the idea that you don't need to understand quantum physics to "get it"!! I can't wait to see if you're right! Shep, great divergent thinking here! I love the idea that you don’t need to understand quantum physics to “get it”!!
I can’t wait to see if you’re right!

]]> By: shephards_flocke http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27630 shephards_flocke Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:29:21 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27630 you got it now. I think when people start connecting the events in the two timelines, thats where they get confused. Thats why the idea of the bomb going off creating another timeline where the island is underwater and the losties never came to the island is too confusing, doesn't make sense, and is creates a huge paradox. you got it now.

I think when people start connecting the events in the two timelines, thats where they get confused.
Thats why the idea of the bomb going off creating another timeline where the island is underwater and the losties never came to the island is too confusing, doesn’t make sense, and is creates a huge paradox.

]]> By: sarajs16 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/dr-shephard-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-27629 sarajs16 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:23:04 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10146#comment-27629 Ok. I think I get it. So, basically...the video that Mile's dad made only exists in the one timeline (where they are on the island). If we were to go to the Alt-timeline (which they call flash-sideways) then that video wouldn't exist there?? Therefore, these two timelines aren't seperated by just the bomb, but also the oceanic crew ever coming to the island?? I'm pretty sure I get it know. If so, that seems very very likely to be the case. Ok. I think I get it. So, basically…the video that Mile’s dad made only exists in the one timeline (where they are on the island). If we were to go to the Alt-timeline (which they call flash-sideways) then that video wouldn’t exist there??

Therefore, these two timelines aren’t seperated by just the bomb, but also the oceanic crew ever coming to the island??

I’m pretty sure I get it know. If so, that seems very very likely to be the case.

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