Comments on: The Enigma of John Locke: Leader or Loser? http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27291 highbrow Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:23:25 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27291 Jack reconciling with his son in the alternate timeline might actually be another clue that Christian isn't a bad guy on Locke's side (or at least on the other side from Jack). Jack and his son were able to reconcile and now here's Jack on the island... the only place in the universe where he will ever have any kind of chance to reconcile with his father who just happens to be walking around despite being a bit dead. Jack reconciling with his son in the alternate timeline might actually be another clue that Christian isn’t a bad guy on Locke’s side (or at least on the other side from Jack). Jack and his son were able to reconcile and now here’s Jack on the island… the only place in the universe where he will ever have any kind of chance to reconcile with his father who just happens to be walking around despite being a bit dead.

]]> By: ekolocation http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27271 ekolocation Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:06:19 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27271 i agree with the most recent comment imiss. i think its more likely that christian is on flocke's side, but I agree with Highbrow that it isn't set in stone. i agree with the most recent comment imiss. i think its more likely that christian is on flocke’s side, but I agree with Highbrow that it isn’t set in stone.

]]> By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27265 imisscharlie Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:57:36 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27265 Hi, Shepherdsflocke, I think after last night's episode we WILL be proven correct, at least about Smlocke being on the dark side. As far as Christian goes, who knows what his story is--he could have been taken over by either Jacob or Smlocke, but I don't think that's important right now. What is important is what Highbrow said, Jacob telling Hurley to get to the lighthouse because "someone" is coming was partly a ruse to get Jack there to push him to realize that he IS the leader, that he DOES have "what it takes" contrary to what his father always told him. He has what it takes to meet the "someone bad" who is coming and defeat him. I think it was very interesting that Jack told Hurley that he came back to the island because he was broken and the island would fix him. It seems to me that he hasn't been fixed yet, but before the season ends, he will be. That's why the Jack we saw in the alt timeline is different--he's calmer, doesn't drink, is a source of strength for his mother, and is able to reconcile with his son, to "fix" their relationship, so it doesn't end the way Jack's and his father's did. Hi, Shepherdsflocke, I think after last night’s episode we WILL be proven correct, at least about Smlocke being on the dark side. As far as Christian goes, who knows what his story is–he could have been taken over by either Jacob or Smlocke, but I don’t think that’s important right now. What is important is what Highbrow said, Jacob telling Hurley to get to the lighthouse because “someone” is coming was partly a ruse to get Jack there to push him to realize that he IS the leader, that he DOES have “what it takes” contrary to what his father always told him. He has what it takes to meet the “someone bad” who is coming and defeat him. I think it was very interesting that Jack told Hurley that he came back to the island because he was broken and the island would fix him. It seems to me that he hasn’t been fixed yet, but before the season ends, he will be. That’s why the Jack we saw in the alt timeline is different–he’s calmer, doesn’t drink, is a source of strength for his mother, and is able to reconcile with his son, to “fix” their relationship, so it doesn’t end the way Jack’s and his father’s did.

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27261 highbrow Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:48:28 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27261 He said someone bad was coming to the Temple but I thought that meant Locke. He said someone bad was coming to the Temple but I thought that meant Locke.

]]> By: ekolocation http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27259 ekolocation Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:44:13 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27259 i thought he said someone bad was coming...ill rewatch it tonight i guess... i thought he said someone bad was coming…ill rewatch it tonight i guess…

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27254 highbrow Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:00:06 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27254 Oh, I'm not sure anyone is actually coming to the island. Jacob told Hurley he needed to bring Jack to the lighthouse so that Jack could see in the mirror so that he would come around and realize how important he is. I think was he was saying was that he needed Hurley to bring Jack to the lighthouse to help Jack get there. Oh, I’m not sure anyone is actually coming to the island. Jacob told Hurley he needed to bring Jack to the lighthouse so that Jack could see in the mirror so that he would come around and realize how important he is. I think was he was saying was that he needed Hurley to bring Jack to the lighthouse to help Jack get there.

]]> By: highbrow http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27252 highbrow Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:58:23 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27252 I'm really not sure what we saw last night puts Christian and New Locke on the same side... It might actually mean the opposite. Claire was infected (apparently) and Christian showed up and managed to get Aaron away from her. I'm not saying that this is in any way definitive but I think the question of Christian's allegiance is still up in the air. I’m really not sure what we saw last night puts Christian and New Locke on the same side… It might actually mean the opposite. Claire was infected (apparently) and Christian showed up and managed to get Aaron away from her. I’m not saying that this is in any way definitive but I think the question of Christian’s allegiance is still up in the air.

]]> By: shephards_flocke http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27247 shephards_flocke Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:43:56 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27247 and i just want to add, after that whole craziness with the lighthouse mirror, i think theres a chance the people that are coming are some Losties from the other timeline. and i just want to add,

after that whole craziness with the lighthouse mirror, i think theres a chance the people that are coming are some Losties from the other timeline.

]]> By: shephards_flocke http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27246 shephards_flocke Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:41:49 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27246 WOW! the latest episode was brilliant! especially that ending 'that's not John...thats my friend. I only said i don't necesarilly believe what i'd posted because the way the show is written, there is always proof for two sides of an arguement, so myself i never put my eggs in one basket. I still think ALT Locke could be the good leader they need, or it could just be Jack and old Locke is dead and buried. on that note I actually think last nights episode is definitely further proof that what we think is true! Christian lead Claire away from Aaron, yet told her that the others took him, and we know that her 'friend' is MIB, that firmly places Christian on the side of MIB and opposing the others. Now, Christian was claiming to be speaking on Jacobs behalf when he gave Locke instructions, now it is undeniable that he was not. If Ben did infact ever speak to or see anyone in that cabin prior to Lockes encounter, it would make sense that it was not Jacob either. And the leader before Ben? and before that one? How long has this misleading been going on? We don't know but i'd say its been going on for while. Richard certainly didn't seem aware of it, otherwise why would he let it go on. To me me its pretty obvious that the others have been blindly following the words of Jacob, when they weren't his words. I also just thought, last night Jacob gave Hurley instructions to help someone to come to the island. When we saw the season 5 finale MIB and Jacob beach scene, we saw a ship making its way to the island, MIB said he knew Jacob had brought them. I got the impression from that scene that Jacob guides alot of people to the island. Now one of Lockes tasks during the show was to stop a 'rescue' freighter getting to the island, because it would mean the death of everyone on the island, which it didn't. I don't think that was Jacobs command... I think whoever is now coming, is coming to defeat MIB. Think back to every thing Locke had done in order to protect and serve 'the island' as he thought he was, in fact, it was all done to protect and serve 'the monster'. To me it all adds up and seems to be as clear as day, but maybe i'm nuts because apart from you it seems noone here agrees. On that note, i will repeat (as i keep doing, sorry about that) last nights comfirmation of the link between Christian and MIB proves this idea even more. The whole time we've watched the show, the word of Jacob was not coming from Jacob, which also included Locke being appointed leader. WOW!
the latest episode was brilliant! especially that ending ‘that’s not John…thats my friend.

I only said i don’t necesarilly believe what i’d posted because the way the show is written, there is always proof for two sides of an arguement, so myself i never put my eggs in one basket. I still think ALT Locke could be the good leader they need, or it could just be Jack and old Locke is dead and buried.

on that note I actually think last nights episode is definitely further proof that what we think is true!

Christian lead Claire away from Aaron, yet told her that the others took him, and we know that her ‘friend’ is MIB, that firmly places Christian on the side of MIB and opposing the others.

Now, Christian was claiming to be speaking on Jacobs behalf when he gave Locke instructions, now it is undeniable that he was not.

If Ben did infact ever speak to or see anyone in that cabin prior to Lockes encounter, it would make sense that it was not Jacob either.
And the leader before Ben? and before that one? How long has this misleading been going on? We don’t know but i’d say its been going on for while.
Richard certainly didn’t seem aware of it, otherwise why would he let it go on.
To me me its pretty obvious that the others have been blindly following the words of Jacob, when they weren’t his words.

I also just thought, last night Jacob gave Hurley instructions to help someone to come to the island.
When we saw the season 5 finale MIB and Jacob beach scene, we saw a ship making its way to the island, MIB said he knew Jacob had brought them. I got the impression from that scene that Jacob guides alot of people to the island.

Now one of Lockes tasks during the show was to stop a ‘rescue’ freighter getting to the island, because it would mean the death of everyone on the island, which it didn’t. I don’t think that was Jacobs command…

I think whoever is now coming, is coming to defeat MIB.
Think back to every thing Locke had done in order to protect and serve ‘the island’ as he thought he was, in fact, it was all done to protect and serve ‘the monster’.

To me it all adds up and seems to be as clear as day, but maybe i’m nuts because apart from you it seems noone here agrees.

On that note, i will repeat (as i keep doing, sorry about that) last nights comfirmation of the link between Christian and MIB proves this idea even more. The whole time we’ve watched the show, the word of Jacob was not coming from Jacob, which also included Locke being appointed leader.

]]> By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-enigma-of-john-locke-leader-or-loser-2/#comment-27223 imisscharlie Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:01:56 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10017#comment-27223 Shephardsflocke, I'm so happy you feel vindicated, especially since your theory was so insightful, but got hijacked by the time travel police! And the reason I didn't comment on your post was that there were SO MANY comments, I thought it would be lost in the shuffle or ignored. I really did like your thesis, and I wanted to give it the credit it deserved, so I figured by kind of restating it in the theories section it would be more prominent and get more exposure! But I'm confused, why do you not agree with your own theory? Shephardsflocke, I’m so happy you feel vindicated, especially since your theory was so insightful, but got hijacked by the time travel police!
And the reason I didn’t comment on your post was that there were SO MANY comments, I thought it would be lost in the shuffle or ignored. I really did like your thesis, and I wanted to give it the credit it deserved, so I figured by kind of restating it in the theories section it would be more prominent and get more exposure!
But I’m confused, why do you not agree with your own theory?

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