Comments on: The Universe Next Door http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-26049 dabiatchishere Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:32:33 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-26049 username, I am inclined to agree with you in that, we do not know what occurred during 'the incident'. We are only seeing the effects that were created via an 'alternate' timeline. We do not know what caused it, or if it had anything to do with the bomb exploding. I think it's a good idea to keep our minds open in this regard. username, I am inclined to agree with you in that, we do not know what occurred during ‘the incident’.

We are only seeing the effects that were created via an ‘alternate’ timeline. We do not know what caused it, or if it had anything to do with the bomb exploding.

I think it’s a good idea to keep our minds open in this regard.

]]> By: username http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-26046 username Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:22:59 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-26046 I have yet to be convinced the bomb actually went off. Maybe someone who is off the Island in 2007 was responsible for the timeshift. Maybe someone like Eloise turned the FDW at the moment right before the incident with help from Desmonds book? Or someone else. I have yet to be convinced the bomb actually went off. Maybe someone who is off the Island in 2007 was responsible for the timeshift. Maybe someone like Eloise turned the FDW at the moment right before the incident with help from Desmonds book? Or someone else.

]]> By: I_Am_Jacob http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25912 I_Am_Jacob Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:08:09 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25912 Achalli, i read this theory yesterday and really really liked it; short yet sweet. the reason i liked it so much is that, firstly, it has given me an idea for a theory. secondly, it makes sense with regards to the special powers of the island. We have and island that can travel through time and space possibly due to the pockets of EM energy scattered around it. why is this important? Because as you've said, it is possible that some sort of temporal riff has been opened for both universes to exist. I know im being a bit vague and sort of just repeating what you've said but when i compose my theory, i will need to make reference to this. I just need to say that i've had a fantastic brainwave (thanks to Star Trek TNG) which i think you'll like in my theory too. this is a brilliant theory but i can't explain why without theorising myself! Achalli, i read this theory yesterday and really really liked it; short yet sweet. the reason i liked it so much is that, firstly, it has given me an idea for a theory.

secondly, it makes sense with regards to the special powers of the island. We have and island that can travel through time and space possibly due to the pockets of EM energy scattered around it. why is this important? Because as you’ve said, it is possible that some sort of temporal riff has been opened for both universes to exist.

I know im being a bit vague and sort of just repeating what you’ve said but when i compose my theory, i will need to make reference to this. I just need to say that i’ve had a fantastic brainwave (thanks to Star Trek TNG) which i think you’ll like in my theory too.

this is a brilliant theory but i can’t explain why without theorising myself!

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25901 Achalli Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:48:03 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25901 AES,nice thoughts on this. I agree that this would allow whatever happened happened and still facilitate change. When the Losties in our universe become aware if what their life's are like in the universe next door they will need to choose what life they will be better off with. It's a good vehicle for the characters to develop. AES,nice thoughts on this. I agree that this would allow whatever happened happened and still facilitate change. When the Losties in our universe become aware if what their life’s are like in the universe next door they will need to choose what life they will be better off with. It’s a good vehicle for the characters to develop.

]]> By: A.E.S. http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25900 A.E.S. Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:26:33 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25900 I think this would be a good way to go about this occurring and trick EVERYONE (almost) into falling for the alternate universes. It would be a way to relate us back to the "Bad Twin" book, with the understanding that it was never what the show creators really wanted. But they still wanted the "twin" idea. There is obvious interaction with the timeline, but we dont know exactly what happened yet, or where they will go. When Lost first went "sci-fi", there was a lot of talk of a mirror matter theory...this is another possible reference. Achalli, I think this would be a good twist, something to allow what happened happened, and still have change to occur in a way. I dont think it would make everything that occurred be pointless, but to make everything that occured be important because it does NOT occur in this universe. Good thoughts on this, and an interesting concept that could play out in a way that would cause us to be right...and wrong all at the same time. I think this would be a good way to go about this occurring and trick EVERYONE (almost) into falling for the alternate universes.

It would be a way to relate us back to the “Bad Twin” book, with the understanding that it was never what the show creators really wanted. But they still wanted the “twin” idea.

There is obvious interaction with the timeline, but we dont know exactly what happened yet, or where they will go.

When Lost first went “sci-fi”, there was a lot of talk of a mirror matter theory…this is another possible reference.

Achalli, I think this would be a good twist, something to allow what happened happened, and still have change to occur in a way.

I dont think it would make everything that occurred be pointless, but to make everything that occured be important because it does NOT occur in this universe.
Good thoughts on this, and an interesting concept that could play out in a way that would cause us to be right…and wrong all at the same time.

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25885 Achalli Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:05:44 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25885 I don't deny that the flashbacks and flashforwards provided us with vast amounts of information about the characters and there situation, but that doesn't change the fact that they were gimmicks used to move the story along. Lost is not the first story to use them and won't be the last. This is true of the alt timeline (or universe) also. I also don't deny that an alt timeline/universe won't have an impact. The two timelines/universes are leaking into each other and needs to be sealed. The Losties that become aware of the fact they have two universes to choose from will have to decide in what universe they feel that they are better off in. I don’t deny that the flashbacks and flashforwards provided us with vast amounts of information about the characters and there situation, but that doesn’t change the fact that they were gimmicks used to move the story along. Lost is not the first story to use them and won’t be the last. This is true of the alt timeline (or universe) also.

I also don’t deny that an alt timeline/universe won’t have an impact. The two timelines/universes are leaking into each other and needs to be sealed. The Losties that become aware of the fact they have two universes to choose from will have to decide in what universe they feel that they are better off in.

]]> By: Tas http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25855 Tas Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:37:45 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25855 The flashforwards weren't just gimmicky - they gave us huge amounts of information about the situation and the characters and were totally relevant to what happened after. If we hadn't had the flashforwards we would have no idea why or what was going on with the O6. The new timeline has to be the same, to just use 6-7 episodes to show us the effects of the bomb going off in 1977, then just going ok, now back to the original, it doesn't serve enough of a purpose. Maybe in seasons 2/3 where they were stretching, but not now. If it isn't going to impact the main part of the story in a huge way then there is no point for showing us that part of the story, there's no point in writing it at all if there is no merging of the two. Yes I agree, the stakes for the whole world are huge, that's the massive ending I think we are ramping up to - this story isn't just going to impact the island (which is what is playing out in the original) but all of us (the implications of a new timeline and a merge). Using your radio station analogy, I'm not sure what sorts of radio stations you listen to, but many stations here do 'mashups' where they merge two songs together. Some are not quite right, others work really well together, so I think they can bring the two together. I personally don't see the point of them not and will probably turn into Chief :) if that's what they do because there are answers I want and what if the crash never happened is not one if it isn't relevant to the big picture. The flashforwards weren’t just gimmicky – they gave us huge amounts of information about the situation and the characters and were totally relevant to what happened after. If we hadn’t had the flashforwards we would have no idea why or what was going on with the O6. The new timeline has to be the same, to just use 6-7 episodes to show us the effects of the bomb going off in 1977, then just going ok, now back to the original, it doesn’t serve enough of a purpose. Maybe in seasons 2/3 where they were stretching, but not now. If it isn’t going to impact the main part of the story in a huge way then there is no point for showing us that part of the story, there’s no point in writing it at all if there is no merging of the two. Yes I agree, the stakes for the whole world are huge, that’s the massive ending I think we are ramping up to – this story isn’t just going to impact the island (which is what is playing out in the original) but all of us (the implications of a new timeline and a merge). Using your radio station analogy, I’m not sure what sorts of radio stations you listen to, but many stations here do ‘mashups’ where they merge two songs together. Some are not quite right, others work really well together, so I think they can bring the two together. I personally don’t see the point of them not and will probably turn into Chief :) if that’s what they do because there are answers I want and what if the crash never happened is not one if it isn’t relevant to the big picture.

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25837 Achalli Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:11:16 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25837 Tas, I'm going to tackle this in two parts. First, from a storytelling perspective this is a nifty yet gimmicky way to show what would happen if 815 never crashed. I view the flashforwards in the same way. Now for the second part, semantics aside. I agree that the two timelines are interacting and effecting each other. As time goes on the effects will be more pronounced. Where I disagree is that merging the two is a good thing and the correct course of action. I'm not looking at the situation as affecting just the Losties. The whole world is involved. Think of each timeline as two radio stations close together on the dial. When you have the radio tuned between the two stations you hear them both and they interfere with each other. That's not a very enjoyable listening experience. So you need to chose which station you want to listen to and tune it in. That is what I believe is happening with the two timelines. The world is straddling two timelines / universes and needs to choose which one to go with. Tas, I’m going to tackle this in two parts. First, from a storytelling perspective this is a nifty yet gimmicky way to show what would happen if 815 never crashed. I view the flashforwards in the same way.

Now for the second part, semantics aside. I agree that the two timelines are interacting and effecting each other. As time goes on the effects will be more pronounced. Where I disagree is that merging the two is a good thing and the correct course of action. I’m not looking at the situation as affecting just the Losties. The whole world is involved. Think of each timeline as two radio stations close together on the dial. When you have the radio tuned between the two stations you hear them both and they interfere with each other. That’s not a very enjoyable listening experience. So you need to chose which station you want to listen to and tune it in. That is what I believe is happening with the two timelines. The world is straddling two timelines / universes and needs to choose which one to go with.

]]> By: Tas http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25810 Tas Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:38:09 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25810 Semantics aside, they seem to be very much merging - the awareness of the characters seems to be indicating that along with physical evidence from season 5. What's the point of showing the new timeline/universe if there is no merge? If the new timeline has no impact on the original why are they spending precious screen time on it? Semantics aside, they seem to be very much merging – the awareness of the characters seems to be indicating that along with physical evidence from season 5. What’s the point of showing the new timeline/universe if there is no merge? If the new timeline has no impact on the original why are they spending precious screen time on it?

]]> By: Achalli http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/02/the-universe-next-door/#comment-25803 Achalli Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:35:45 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=9366#comment-25803 Tas, I have not seen the podcast. I usually try to stick with what I've seen on the show and relate it to similar themes and ideas I've read/seen in other venues. I think we are going to be in disagreement over this and it's going to come down to how we define alt timelines and alt universes. The way I view it alt timelines and alt universes are the same thing. In other words, an alt timeline happens in an alt universe. What I believe happened is that a hole was punched through to the alt universe and now the two are intermixing. For an example time travel being responsible for an alt universe I point you to the most recent Star Trek film. Even if I am wrong on the existence of an alt universe I still think that the two timelines can not coexist nor should they be merged. A choice of either one or the other timeline needs to be made. Tas, I have not seen the podcast. I usually try to stick with what I’ve seen on the show and relate it to similar themes and ideas I’ve read/seen in other venues.

I think we are going to be in disagreement over this and it’s going to come down to how we define alt timelines and alt universes. The way I view it alt timelines and alt universes are the same thing. In other words, an alt timeline happens in an alt universe. What I believe happened is that a hole was punched through to the alt universe and now the two are intermixing. For an example time travel being responsible for an alt universe I point you to the most recent Star Trek film.

Even if I am wrong on the existence of an alt universe I still think that the two timelines can not coexist nor should they be merged. A choice of either one or the other timeline needs to be made.

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