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The Programmer, the Firewall, the numbers, the Cure, and the Infection…

An infection is the result of an infective agent or material entering and contaminating the host. It usually relies on reproduction as a method of spreading pathogens throughout the host.

Its a way to ultimately cause havoc and destruction to the host amongst other things, and can be spread in different manners depending on the ability of the infection itself, and the vulnerability of the host to be…

In the case of Lost, it is known as something that can happen to a dead body that, as far as we know, is left out without care taken to it in the form of burying, burning, and whatever else they have done in a manner of giving the person a rightful end of their life on earth.

Whether it be to protect them in a humane fashion from being eaten alive by boars, to protect themselves from disease and smell of rotten flesh, or to give them a religious like end to their physical existence as we know it…we have seen many bodies be buried and burned on Lost. What many have come to see, is that by doing so, none of the people we know so far have become either infected…If I am missing anyone in any way, let me know…its vital to a view I am having…

With this thought, lets look at the people we know have been infected…Sayid, Claire, and three members of Daniels team. We know Sayid died…many have assumed Claire died…possibly during the freighter teams attack on New Otherton. From what we saw in scenes from Danielles Team becoming infected…its highly possible that they were killed, and then resurrected and infected, only to be killed again by Danielle.

Sayid has died, and through the process of the water, infection, Jacks touch or something else has also been resurrected…and from Dogens words and Sayids actioins as of late…infection is almost definitely the cause…and is the cause of at least his rising insanity.

With their infection, they all seem to have a desire to kill, and they all have some sort of following of the smoke monster/Locke/MIB. That is not to say that MIB is causing/controlling the infected, only that he seemingly is…what is known, is that they are at the very least able to be manipulated easily, and seem to at least forget, if not lose what good is in them. They have desire or need to kill.

And there is one thing we know for sure. There has not been any instance of infection that has been admittingly cured on Lost. Nobody snapped out of it…nobody STOPPED wanting to kill…nobody was given any antibiotics to the infection that we are aware of yet.

Now dont forget about the infection…we will come right back to that.

Richard Alpert was arrested for killing a man while trying to do what was the right thing in my eyes, save his wife.

He was arrested, and brought before a priest and confessed his sins. The priest gave him no remorse, and he was denied the removal of sin. I would like to note, that this is yet another in the continuously growing list of “spiritual” people who helped bring people to the island. Others being Hawking, Brother Campbell, Ekos brother if you want to count him…Achaira, and Richard Malkin…

He was taken before Whitfield, where he was offered the opportunity to live, by going to the ‘new world’…STOP.

Make sure you get the allusion to “Brave New World”. I get the other possible meaning of “New World”…but really think about it…

From Wiki…

“Brave New World is a novel by Aldous Huxley, written in 1931 and published in 1932. Set in the London of AD 2540 (632 A.F. in the book), the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technologyand sleep-learning that combine to change society. The future society is an embodiment of the ideals that form the basis of futurism. Huxley answered this book with a reassessment in an essay, Brave New World Revisited (1958), and with his final work, a novel titled Island (1962),”

Are you with me?

Magnus Hanso is mentioned during the assessment, and Richard is told that he is now Magnus Hansos property. Richard sold himself before he even got on the boat.

With Richards arrival, and the thought of Jacobs words to both Richard and MIB that he brought the ship there…and MIBs seeming assertion, it seems logical to believe that it was Jacobs doing.
Does this confirm an alliance between Jacob and Hanso…or mean Jacob was actually trying to stop the people from getting to Hanso?
Due to the relationship between Hanso and Dharma, it makes sense that Hansos brave new world is the island, and Jacobs is the one who ensures their arrival…could Hanso actually be Jacob?

I believe there is a connection between all of the spiritual related people and being brought to the island. I feel that they took those people there for a reason…either to help Jacob…or help MIB. Now that we know Jacob has brought the ship to the island, and with the thought that the spiritual leaders are helping in the cause…it leads me to believe that they are all doing exactly what Jacob wants them to do…bring not just people, but specific people to the island…maybe for reasons relating to the new world that Magnus Hansos property is scattered throughout later on.

MIB talks to Kate about why he told Claire that the others had her baby…that he needed to give her something to “hate” to fill the void. Why tell her this? He promises everyone else whatever they want, yet tells Claire that the others have Aaron…?

Is this a sick twisted way to show that Jacob is wrong? To show that people will fight, destroy, and corrupt?

He finds the easiest to manipulate on the island and does so to prove Jacob is wrong…

From the transcript to “Ab Aeterno”…

RICHARD: What happened to them?

JACOB: They’re all dead.

RICHARD: But if you brought them here. Why didn’t you help them?

JACOB: Because I wanted them to help themselves. To know the difference between right and wrong without me having to tell them. It’s all meaningless if I have to force them to do anything. Why should I have to step in?

RICHARD: If you don’t, he will.

[Jacob pauses for a moment, taking Richard’s words into consideration.]

Right here…right here is the changing point in the game between Jacob and MIB. Jacob believes he can just allow people to do good, never even taking into account that MIB is there to manipulate at every turn. By Richard saying this, he realizes that if he wants a different ending…if he wants progress…he cannot sit back and allow MIB to get the first turn…half the battle in a good strategy game is going first in my opinion…so what does he do…he goes off island and finds people in their most vulnerable moment, just as MIB said he did to Sawyer. What else is he supposed to do…He already put his faith in without putting a hand in…so now he does. He doesnt hide and manipulate though, he walks right up in plain sight and hands you exactly what you need. For some, they were not meant to get what they really want…destiny is a fickle bitch…some times you lose a loved one, sometimes you lose your sanity. Just because you have what you want and are happy doesnt mean you lived a good life and are a good person.

Jacob brought problem people to the island in a manner to allow them to have their true desires fullfilled…its just that you dont get the greedy happiness to enjoy it. Dogens son can live, but he must never see him again. Sarah is happy, but Jack cannot be with her. Hurley is bad luck to people he is around, so his not being there removes the curse. Im sure there are other examples…

Most importantly, he brought people who dont NEED anything off island anymore. He brought people that have what means most to them in the world…even if it is nothing.

The point is, that these people although are not necessarily bad, were destined to come to the island no matter what, or lose what they truly care about off island, as I feel we will see in the coming weeks in the off island show. They were going to have the ability to choose different paths, light or dark…good or evil…and whether Jacob was going to put his hand in the cookie jar or not, MIB was already one step ahead of him. Whats a guy to do… Ill tell you what, hire an assistant, and step in himself.

I think the infection is a bug that Hanso instilled in the island long ago. Something that is a result of a virus possibly put into effect that cannot take a host until it is completely dead first. Once there is no activity in the brain/body…the infection can begin to consume and spread throughout the body until it reaches the heart, and is then officially sent everywhere, making a person not the same as they were.

I dont think it works as much like a medical virus as it does a computer virus. I think that there are aspects that take control of your body immediately, enabling you to be controlled by whatever action the programmer, who I feel is Magnus Hanso, gives it. Im not saying that everyone is a cyborg, just that the virus acts more in the manner of a computer infection than a virus that makes one sick. It allows the host to continue processing information, but scrambling the signal to make it react in different ways. It tells the host what to do after signals are received, and like a computer virus, it allows the host to accept information as fact or truth rather than what it truly is. It takes away free will, and allows a manipulative virus to infect the body, most likely having someone who told or programmed it to adapt to every situation and person differently.

Ekolocation said something a while back that makes sense…MIB is infected too.

I think this is sort of true. I think he WAS infected…and has found a way to maybe not get rid of the infection, but control it due to the properties and energy of the island. If it does work, act, and even resembles a form of computer infection/virus rather than a medical one…it may explain why the monster is not capable of traveling through the sonar fence…it either blocks, reflects, or disables the electronic signal that is contained inside of MIB and the monster…

I imagine Jacob had a hand in not only the infection, but MIBs mother being infected as well. Take into account that you have to die to become infected, and MIB talked about his crazy mother. It would make some sense that his mother became infected, and if the boy with the bloody hands is Jacob…maybe he killed her…At some point after, MIB dies, becomes infected, and interacts with the properties of the island, and maybe someone or several people from the future, and his infection becomes contained in a way that he is able to control it. I do not believe the wheel would have been there yet…which means maybe just a well full of ‘contaminated’ water.

I could see maybe MIB dying in the well in a time when it still contained water, and could possibly explain things such as Ben summoning him through pulling the plug(cork?) from the muddy pool of water…to why he resides underground and travels through the cerebrus vents…

I feel the infection is not exactly what people think it as in a manner of effects or cure either. I think there is a relationship in some way between the infection and the conscious jumping off island…and how do you stop the brain anyeurisms when the flashing starts…FIND YOUR CONSTANT!!!

I feel the constant is a way to prevent, and possibly cure the infection…What would Claire do on island if Aaron was suddenly presented to her? Im guessing the infection would lose effect. Along with her son, she would get a part of herself back, and her hate would no longer be necessary.

Im guessing if these people are being brought to the island by Jacob, he either feels that they are not bad people that will overcome the odds, never understanding why it didnt work until the conversation between he and Richard regarding his stepping in.

I really am starting to think that maybe the infection is more of a computer virus of sorts, and it is actually a way of the monster fully controlling all who are striken with it. It would be downloaded in a way after their death, and begins to take hold and reproduce very soon after.

If Jacob is helping Hanso, and they were both trying to stop the infection…than maybe Jacobs touch is a sort of firewall that can only be lowered by the manipulative words of MIB…and of course death…

This is a different take on the infection as more of a computer virus than a viral/medical infection, and could mean very different things for not only what the island is, but what and who MIB and Jacob are as well.

I have other thoughts and ideas to add to this, making it make a lot more sense, but am interested in your thoughts before continuing.

Thank you for your time…

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35 thoughts on “The Programmer, the Firewall, the numbers, the Cure, and the Infection…

  1. Another real thinker….A couple things….

    1. The idea of a constant being the “cure” or a disconnection to the virus is really interesting. Dogen started whoopin Sayid’s ass, had the chance to murder him….and then his baseball rolls off the table. The baseball, being his constant, maybe brought him back to sanity, or completely back to this timeline. There was no longer a separation within his consciousness in other words. Interesting to think that Dogen was infected in the first place.

    2. Didn’t we see the wheel existing there (Locke) before the well was built (Sawyer still on surface with rope in hand)? Minor detail.

    But yeah, I always forget about these damn Hansos. They obviously are an important family. To think that one of them is behind the infection is a very plausable idea.

  2. Thanks for the shout out AES. I like most of your ideas here. Although I’m not sure if i remember it all. I might have to read it again later.

    Constants- I also believe that perhaps Aaron would restore claire’s sanity, although MIB makes her case seem hopeless in his talk with kate. Constants may very well be important if the two timelines bleed or merge together. If constants cant cure the infected, I’m sure killing them is the only way to end it. Jacob has chosen candidates who have all killed already, might be important.

    Hanso- Jacob might have been working with Hanso, or he simply could admire his work. Through lost’s alternate reality games there was some virus that the Hanso Foundation was concerned with. Now that we know more about infection it seems that the two might very well be connected. Perhaps Jacob hoped the dharma intiative could create an anti-virus to delete the infection from their systems (trying to use your computer terminology)

    I don’t know how much they can tell us with what little time is left. Only 5 hours till we get some string to tug at or a new perspective for old ideas. maybe thats all we need, a new perspective.

  3. Good thoughts AES. I like the idea of the constants relating to the infection. I’ve thought of that myself but I couldn’t really make a connection. Very original idea, the computer virus. Makes sense when you take into account the sonar fence.

    I’m really interested in the good/evil scale point Dogen made about Sayid. I’m curious if it has something to do with the infection aka computer virus..

    Chief, good point about the baseball. It must have some significance since they took a slowmo close-up of the baseball…Dogen immediately froze.

  4. Blue Eyes, great point. I knew he said that in writing it, and I have for a while assumed Hanso was on the ship.
    In another post of mine I try and make the connection and fall short there as well…
    I really feel that their relationship makes sense due to what I say about the new world…

    Lol…I actually didnt mean to post this yet…I had a few other things to add, and it just kept building…and I know what happens then.

    Everyone here brings up good points, and for yours, I honestly say I dont know.
    I cant help but feel their is a relationship due to the points above I show.

    Im not against the idea that Hanso may be working with MIB either…just with the words spoken in the recent episode about Richard being property of hanso…and Jacob bringing him there it leads me to what will most likely be a presumptuous conclusion on this post, of Jacob working with Hanso.

    Add in the fact that MIB doesnt want people on the island, and is trying to leave himself…it makes me question if he played any role in the shipwreck that destroyed what seems to be Jacobs statue, and symbol for life in my opinion on the island.

    Jacob brings “bad” people to the island to try and show MIB that it doesnt always end in them fighting, destroying, or corrupting…

    MIB on the other hand seemingly wants off the island, and wishes to go home…where that is is very debatable.

    If he is in any way from off island, even if it was long ago, that seems the best answer for home.
    I also believe that there is a possibility that he is looking for a full “flash” back into his true self, and possibly time period. Maybe getting a chance to right some wrongs, maybe as he told Kate “if things were different”…

    I have been an advocate of Desmond Hume being the one who is truly able to change the past due to his special properties…maybe Des is ‘supposed’ to change MIBs past, and help him get his home and humanity back…

    With all the dead bodies Widmore left laying in the jungle, maybe they could serve as an army for him, if they become infected themselves.
    And what could be locked in the closet…none other than Desmond Hume himself…awaiting to be the next game piece in MIBs plan…

    …way off topic…

  5. As for the infection itself, maybe its not a Hanso creation…maybe its what Hanso and Jacob are trying to combat.
    Fighting, detruction, and corruption…all resulting in war and death…

    Hanso seems to be about saving the world, and Jacob seems to be about showing that people will not always decide to fight, destroy, and corrupt…meaning to me that there has to be a hidden agenda in some way…otherwise the words of MIB in the form of John Locke are pretty pointless.

    “Im very disappointed in all of you”…”I feel sorry for you”…

    I have some thoughts…but nothing with a real leg to stand on…

  6. I believe the evil that Jacob is referring to in the wine bottle that is corked by the island is the infection, not MIB – perhaps MIB knows how to bring it forth and manipulate it, but it is not him per se. The ‘evil’ in an individual is ‘reborn’ after that individual has died.
    Now – an important point is this (and I may add this short theory later) – the individual cannot be raised in this manner is he/she has been baptized and/or buried appropriately (to A.E.S’s point). Now, I think it is possible that the MIB is Aaron – or, Aaron is some other key individual. Does anyone remember Charlie’s dream that he had to baptize Aaron? I think the point of that was – baptize Aaron, and he will not be infected…. he will not BECOME MIB. However, Charlies, sadly, was prevented from doing this…..

  7. Chief…

    1…The constant and the infection has always meant something to me…

    I look at it in a strange way, but it makes some sort of stupid sense.

    Sayid is infected. He was not on island during the conscious jumps, so we unfortunately cant use them for examples with him or Claire…but…

    Claire has her child in the off island time line, and her mother SHOULD have Claire now (I swear if he is on the submarine…).
    So in one time line she has the child and is happy and content.
    In another timeline she does not and, by the look of “all she had”…Id say she is pretty fn’ nuts right about now.
    But when she connects with Kate (after the attempted murder of course) and is told that she is going to get Aaron back she calms down…she apologizes, and she turns into whiny, crying Claire again.

    Now look at Sayid. He had a chance at Nadia in the new timeline…and on island he knows she is gone until Locke makes his offer.
    Sayid then allows his intentions to be decided by MIB and by doing so allows the infection to fully take hold.
    In the 2004 timeline he turns down Nadia, and kills Keamy and his men…
    He may be promised Nadia, and I believe that the reason why is because she is very important to him…a constant.
    But the fact is that even if the plane didnt crash, he still wouldnt have gotten Nadia, and he still would be a killer in 2004.

    But his choices dictated that…he decided that he would not be with Nadia. He decided to kill Keamy.
    By doing so…he lost his constant and himself.

    christ…that was only number one…you have no idea how much I have to say about number 2…

    2…The well.
    Your point, although minor to the overall point of the post, being the infection…is major in my search for uncovering how MIB became the monster.
    I definitely am happy you said that, because the next theory I was finishing up required the well as an important scene in MIBs transformation…you…thanks for ruining that thought here, but saving me on my next theory…lol…
    I still think that there is a reason why it is a well…bucket and all, and not a random hole…so hopefully the water can still play a part in my thought…great catch on that…

    I definitely think the Hansos are either behind the infection…or behind trying to stop it..hell, with all the idea of redemption…maybe its both.

    If Jacob and MIB are actually from the island, and it has always carried properties as it does now…the infection would have a very different effect on them.

    In the Linus episode, Artz says something that stuck with me…”How hard is it to know the difference between a genus and a species?”…
    If Jacob and MIb carry these kind of properties, then maybe they gain abilities through the infection instead of being harmed by it.
    When talking about genus and species, the word family must come into play at some point…in which case I begin to think about the families on Lost.

    Hurley had a father that disappeared. Jack had a father that traveled frequently over the island…and a grandfather that supposedly disappears. Kates father was not always in her life, and she is later told that Wayne is her father…also her supposed father disappears. I assume Sawyers father traveled for work, allowing his mother to get conned, eventually ending the family. Sayids family is a bit of a mystery…I assume at least his father was in the guard, and traveled often. It almost makes more sense if he doesnt fit this bill at this point…
    Ilanas heritage, and backstory itself is unknown. But if Jacob is a father figure to her……

    Again being presumptuous, I now assume that all of the important players in the game had families that very well could have originated from the island itself…A very long time ago of course.

    This could very well explain more of Christians role on the island.

    If these people do come from a family tree that was planted on the island, it could also explain the gifts that they possess.

    We know Miles was born on the island and left. Could that alone be the catch in having a “power”?
    The closer your family is to its island connection, the more of a gift you possess. And returning to the island could very well be a trigger to allow them to gain more strength in their abilities.

    THIS makes me relate the numbers to the infection. What if the number is a code?

    And the infection is able to be set off by using the numbers. Hurley used the numbers, hit the lottery, saw dead people, and contracted what he believed to be bad luck…

    Jack took a prescription…it was an anti anxiety/depressant…but did everyone catch the numbers written on the side of the bottle? Wonder what was on the side of Hurleys prescription?
    Could they have contributed to him going crazy and beginning to see his father off island?

    Sayid, Kate, Sun, or anyone else didnt come into any direct contact with the numbers as Jack and Hurley…and with the exception of kates dream, didnt have any crazy hallucinations or dead people talking to them.

    Maybe the same way a code is put into a computer…the code is put into society and could actually cause the infection off island through the numbers.

    So while Jaocb tries and prove MIB wrong on island by way of good in man…The numbers are already off island and contaminating the population…starting with the losties…could they have actually spread it…and thats why nobody is supposed to leave the island as Widmore did?

    So….in short…this turned into me trying to explain how the infection is or was applied as a computer virus, and spread throughout the dead on the island. The constant, being a possible way to cure the infection…connects with the characters off island by way of “flashing”…meaning possibly that by having two separate timelines…they could spread the infection via conscious travel…

    The numbers being the next step in downloading the infection to possibly a more “living” person…

    Also, some that would be effected in a negative manner by the infection most likely originating from the island…
    While others would gain almost super hero like abilities (Think about Flash and The Green Lantern comic book)…possibly using them in the long run to save the world from the evil, shape shifting, all knowing, mind reading MIB…

    This being caused by the fact that their bloodline, is from the very few “people” that have family lineage extending into the deepest history of the island…

    Im not going to proofread this until after I hit submit…so I apologize in advance for any completely insane thoughts or wording…

  8. There have been a few contradictions that really hang things up. I’m especially referring to Smokey/MIB. As little as I trust Jacob, MIB’s been the really confusing one.

    Aside from all of that, let’s say we can trust Jacob. If his real intent all along was simply to prove MIB wrong about humanity, how would it play out? Let’s say Sawyer hands Jack a bologna sandwich, and Jack says “Thank you.” and MIB being a witness says “Gee Jacob, guess you were right all along.” —- What’s the big deal then? What are we missing? Because that obviously wouldn’t be even close to how the show ends.

  9. Eko…
    I was already thinking about MIB being infected, and it was encouraging to hear if from a familiar face…
    Good point on the time…they better get the ball rolling…

  10. Speaking of getting the ball rolling…m0…

    Good point about the significance of the ball…I do agree with Chief as well, and feel that it was more than just a metaphor for the tides turning to Dogen.
    Double meaning…call it a tie…

  11. Stone, as always thanks for the comment…

    Remember when MIB throws the stone out of Jacobs cliff side cave…I think that the infection kind of throws the white stones off the inner scale of a person…

  12. I posted that last comment at the same time you posted the long one, so disregard a bit of it…..

    I really like your idea about what the numbers are doing. Of all the things that need explained, I consider the numbers, and the catastrophes they bring, to be the hardest thing for the writers to explain.

  13. Thats not how the shows going to end…no point in watching then…

    Seriously though…no its not…

    But IF many are right to assume Jacob in being correct…than maybe its not just to stick his tongue out at MIB…

    Maybe in some sacreligious type of way, MIB is doing what he feels is right.

    If man cannot exist without fighting, destroying, and corrupting…than maybe MIB should destroy the world and rid it of sin and blind faith.
    If he is killing people to save whats left of the good in the world…maybe that just means that people are not to be a part of it.

    Jacob and MIB…they are human…but not the way we are. They look the same, but possess different abilities…they are the evolution of the planet.

    Jacob, even if he is on the side of Hanso and Dharma with all the new technology and time travel is holding back the one thing that no matter how hard some one wants they cant stop…evolution.

    As the seed of the Losties characters spread, they weed out the race of humans…and replace it with…whatever the hell they are.

    Im sure it is much simpler than this…but I need a new angle…

  14. Yeah chief, the numbers were a vital part of the original theory. (just added them to the title)…

    But I took them out to try and prevent confusion, that I am constantly being told I cause…

    I realized that they need to be a part of this whole thing, and I wish I would have left that in the main theory…
    I guess if someone hasnt figured out that my theories extend into the comments by now, then there is no point in reading anything I write…

    I think they do have a purpose more than just driving Hurley nuts…

    It starts to make sense thinking deeper into the valenzetti equation…he was trying to save the core factors to save the world…something like that…
    Didnt someone comment that some of the names by numbers on the wheel in the lighthouse seem to have been written over other names?

  15. I’m not a computer person so maybe someone on here can enlighten me. When data on a computer becomes corrupted does it happen because of an infection/virus?
    Thinking back to the conversation Jacob and MIB had on the beach could be interpreted differently. MIB has given up. He knows anyone coming to the Island eventually will die and become infected. Jacob is still looking for the cure by bringing new people to the island and trying different things.
    Obviously there has to be more to it than that because of the candidacy issue but it seems as if MIB just wants to be let go to take everything to its conclusion. Spreading the virus off island.
    Kind of funny how an Island that has healing powers for the living also has power over the dead. Talk about balance!

  16. Roland…I have to be honest…Im not sure either…but it sure fits with what I am trying to get across. Great thoughts, and relating it to “They corrupt”.

    Your last line is funny…and Lost does have a weird way of putting on a balancing act sometimes…

    As for the candidates…Ive been trying to relate Jacobs touch as a sort of firewall…but feel it comes up short.

    I may have to try and turn the scenario around so it is Jacob infecting…and MIB acting as the antivirus…it actually makes more sense that way.

    I keep wanting to believe MIB is the good guy…it wouldnt be a shocker or anything, so maybe there is another direction to take the thought of the infection, in terms of Jacob and MIBs roles…

    Great thoughts again everyone…Im still a little cautious of this…but it is beginning to make more sense as we add elements into the pot.

    Im curious now to see if the numbers come into play off island, maybe with Hurley that cause him to “flash” or start to see dead people again.

  17. Many good thoughts. I can’t help but think this infection is somehow responsible for the infertility on the island. The mothers immune system somehow turns on the fetus, killing it. If the Mom’s infected, that would infect the fetus too.

    What confuses me is why was Dahrma whipped out? They were all killed by Ben, was it by command of Jacob (which would make sense if they were ALL infected) or MIB (which would make sense because he wants to kill everyone).

    Am I way off here?

  18. Great explanation about Sayid and the infection. That would again give more importance to the alternate timeline, since we do not know what it really means yet.

    The scale in MIB’s cave is ofcourse the representation of Dogen’s comment about the inner scale. Hence…INSIDE joke… 😉

    About the numbers, really interested if they are going to be explained, or if they will come back into play at some point. I highly doubt that though.

  19. stone –

    If you’re right about the numbers not coming back into play, well, I’d be shocked. I doubt we’ll get a “sit down and chat” type explanation by a Harvard professor. But I believe by the end of this show we’ll vaguely know how they work, or what they truly stand for.

    You may be right, I guess I’m just doin’ my usual wishful thinking.

  20. just wanted to add this before i forget,you mentioned that MIB’s mother may have been infected, and at some point in his life (or death) he was infected too, but is there any possibility that MIB’s mother could have been infected while she was pregnant, and therefore resulting in the already infected MIB being born?? really random i know, but i thought i would be obscure and throw that out there.

  21. just wanted to also add, that if the theory of your constant appearing would stop the infection then surely my above comment could have some ground as MIB would not have been born and therefore could not be his mother’s constant.

  22. Chief, I agree. I believe it’s very likely that by the end we will vaguely know how they work. I meant exactly what you say, that we probably won’t get a real tangible Harvard professor explanation.

    I’d by satisfied by any explanation, no matter how tangible it’ll be.

  23. “Maybe in some sacreligious type of way, MIB is doing what he feels is right.If man cannot exist without fighting, destroying, and corrupting…than maybe MIB should destroy the world and rid it of sin and blind faith.
    If he is killing people to save whats left of the good in the world…maybe that just means that people are not to be a part of it.”

    Maybe MIB is Loki, the fallen angel and is not defying god by doing his work and this is all part of Norse Mythology, hence the statues and crosses. Maybe this was brought up before. If it is, then its too close to copying the movie Dogma and that would be lame, ha.

  24. I havent read all the comments, therefore I dont know if anybody else pointed this out but this little piece of your theory got me thinking…

    “I feel the constant is a way to prevent, and possibly cure the infection…What would Claire do on island if Aaron was suddenly presented to her? Im guessing the infection would lose effect. Along with her son, she would get a part of herself back, and her hate would no longer be necessary.”

    Claire is not infected, which is why MIB needed to give her something to hate by telling her the others had her son. She’s just a pissed off Mom who will kill to save or get back Aaron. I know I would kill to protect my kids.

    If Claire gets Aaron her hate wont be necessary and go away right? Than to me that means she isnt infected.

  25. Wanted to add…
    This whole “infected” thing is just a word Dogen used to describe somebody who has nothing, or in other words, somebody who doesnt have a “Constant”. Who on the island doesnt have a “Constant”? Sayid? Her name escapes me but she is dead and she would be IMO his cure. Also, isnt he the only one who died?

    I think he is the only one who is truely “infected”. The rest are just LOST. Please somebody correct me if I dont have my facts straight.

    I do want to say that your post is very well thought out and really has me thinking.

  26. lostinthought…good thinking about the infection and the pregnancy on the island…fits really well into the scenario…Ive been trying to tie something in…and that may be a key.

    When Claire is pregnant in season one, she is kidnapped and returns to the beach camp in “Homecoming”. She doesnt remember anything except being on the plane…before it crashed…maybe she somehow either became infected way back then…Remember the dream with freaky Locke…or should I say FLOCKE telling her she shouldnt have given Aaron away?
    Either that or she may have actually flashed through time consciously. She may have actually conscious jumped from the plane to the island when the plane didnt crash…

    I think there is more to what happened when the incident occurred than what we know…

    Good comments…oh…and I think its very possible that the purge was initiated by either Widmore of Flocke…Widmore making more sense.

    Des goes back and tells Widmore to have the DI wiped out before they attack them for the incident…they most likely believe that the losties are others, and decide to counter attack.

    I have said for a while that Amy jumps ship…I think that Charles may be the reason why. We still have to learn how Ethan becomes an other…and if I am right about Amy being Amelia from the others in 2004…

    Good comments inthought…

  27. Stone…Whether its to save or destroy the world…Im pretty hopeful that they will explain something more about them.
    They have been pretty important again this season, and i really think that they will pop up again for Hurley off island…but as I said before the season began…they may be different…like a number off each, creating a different equation, either saving or destroying the planet/island/universe…

    IF it is really MIBs world off island now with it sunk…it would make sense that they are changed in his favor, since he used or killed all of Jacobs candidates…

    Chief…when the hell did you start wishful thinking…lol…

  28. helen…good thinking…that would/could go right along with my thoughts on Claire and Aaron…I just talked about it above responding to lostinthought.

    Good thinking…were on the same page I think…

  29. Pete…I thought about that back when he dipped his finger in the alcohol. Achalli and I actually even talked about Dogma.

    I wrote a post a while back called “Touched by an Angle…”, touching on Jacob possibly being an angel…and in my “Greatest…” theory I related Jacob and MIB to Jacob wrestling with Michael from a biblical standpoint…
    I would hope if they went the angel route it would be above and beyond Dogma in a sense that it would lack the cheese…
    but I know it would piss chief off, so they probably wont do it…
    ;]

    Good comments and thinking…

  30. pretty heavy…one step ahead of you…good thinking though…
    I honestly added a lot in the comments that were going to be a separate post, so anyone who likes the theory is strongly recommended to read the comments as well…
    Everyone contributed great thoughts to this, and they should be recognized as well…

    We seem to be thinking on the same line as well heavy soul…check out some of the other comments, youll probably like whats there…

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