Comments on: A Mirrored Reality – Alice in Wonderland

By: ADayAfar

ADayAfar — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:52:27 +0000

@brokenankh42 I first read this theory prior to your addendum, and I have to say it’s been fleshed out quite nicely! I remember thinking Kitty/Snowdrop being black/white and thought wow, that must be significant– esp. since Jack gets cut off while saying it to David! (I feel like the writers put important info in largely disregarded lines, or more comic characters like Hurley and Miles.) But I didn’t make that connection between Dinah bringing both kittens back! Love this. Definitely in the camp that this refers to David/Aaron. I esp like how AES tied it all in with pointing out the water themes as another form of mirroring…

I also read the theories (wish I could credit it but can’t remember who said it) about #42 possibly being Ji Yeon– since Jacob touched Sun/Jin at the same time. She could also be a “kitten” brought back to the Island…

Also throwing this out there just for the sake of argument– Walt, as a kid, shown to be extremely special but ended up leaving the Island. Were they afraid of how his powers might’ve evolved if he stayed on Island? And when he returns, now older, does this mean his powers would be less than they once were? We know he still has his sixth sense since he basically predicted Locke “wearing a suit” on the Island… kids/offspring have always been a huge focus of the show as well…

By: obsessedWlost

obsessedWlost — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:02:42 +0000

broken, please watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgpZ0bEi8H0
if you havent seen it already, it’s the spanish promo for season six, and it is basically exactly what you quoted about through the looking glass. so you are def on to something here.
but like you said that the book ends with it all being a dream. i would also be super disappointed if it was all just a dream, but we have been told that we’ve seen the last scene already, and the one scene that we have seen time and again is the camera zoomed in on someone opening their eye, so will the last scene be someone opening their eye and seeing it was all just a dream?

as far as in everyone’s comments about water being the first mirror and the island really being purgatory, i want to say that this is the most logical explanation for everything, and as much as everyone else doesnt want that to be the ending it’s the only one that would make sense. but it does get a little weird with them going back to the rest of the world and coming back to the island.

By: imisscharlie

imisscharlie — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:33:27 +0000

At first I had the same thoughts of purgatory as you did, but the writers said that the island was NOT purgatory. They lie, though, they also said there’d be no time travel! Also, there are people who are just so offended by any references to Christianity, (although they have no problems with any other religions) that they can’t accept the idea of purgatory. However, many of the world’s religions have the same concept–a kind of halfway house between this world and the next. That makes so much sense to me, but then again, I really don’t like all those scientific ideas of quantum physics, wormholes, and multiple universes. I guess I’m more a person of faith than a person of science!

By: nachochris

nachochris — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:21:46 +0000

Exactly! Thanks for extending on my brief suggestion.

When I started watching the series, and when I saw the episode where Sawyer/Ford in the black rock exacts revenge on real sawyer, I thought to myself: They must be in purgatory. Where all sinners go before eventually they are judged and sent to heaven or hell.

Anyway, the travels from losties back to the real world seems to oppose this, but anyway I am confident by May it will be a convincing and satisfying answer.

By: imisscharlie

imisscharlie — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:01:00 +0000

oh, yes, nacho, I have read Hamlet. The famous soliloquy you refer to deals with Hamlet’s thoughts of suicide. “To be or not to be” he muses. On the one hand he looks to death as the end of all his worldly troubles, an escape from this evil world. Then he realizes that with the sleep of death he may actually dream–meaning that there may be some unknown life after death that could be worse than what he’s going through now. So how do we connect this with Lost? The characters who cannot kill themselves whatever they do, like Jack, Michael, Richard, until it’s “time”? Are they all really dead after the original 815 crash and the series is simply the last fleeting thoughts before they leave this world? Is this their afterlife? Or their life after death BUT before their reincarnation? Lots to think about, and I hope we get an answer by May!

By: nachochris

nachochris — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:30:22 +0000

Nice writing on this theory. Listen imisscharlie perhaps the dream ending of those 2 novels may actually something important?

I know most people on this community/website do not want a dream ending, but what if we elaborated on this “dream” ending scenario?

Have any of you ever read Hamlet by Shakespeare? One of my favourite lines is:

“For in that sleep of death/What dreams may come”.

By: imisscharlie

imisscharlie — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:13:23 +0000

And kudos to you BrokenAnkh42, also for your answers on water. I love your last sentence referring to being stuck on an island surrounded by water leading to self reflection!

By: imisscharlie

imisscharlie — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:10:18 +0000

As someone who read and re-read Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland probably a hundred times as a child, I was always pleasantly surprised to see any reference in Lost to one of my favorite stories (the other being The Wizard of Oz). Surely mirrors, games, rabbit holes have played a huge part in Lost, and now the writers are taking it a step further with the Lighthouse, Reflections, and mirrors in each episode. Every episode’s flash sideways has a character looking into a mirror or reflective surface–Kate, Jack, Locke, Ben, Sayid. And AES, your question/answer about the “first” mirror being water was genius! Water is also a huge motif in the story, and has always been associated in literature with cleansing, baptism, rebirth, and redemption. After watching “Dr Linus” it is clear that the redemptive process is in full swing in Lost.
My only problem with my 2 favorite childhood stories is the endings–they both end up as being dreams. I hope that our writers will come up with a more sophisticated “denouement” than that!

By: dabiatchishere

dabiatchishere — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:34:16 +0000

brokenankh42, The significance of water and its meaning is, that it represents the collective unconscious and the continuum, where the flow of all things in the universe goes back to one source.

Prior to the invention of ancient mirrors, water was used for ‘scrying’ purposes to look into aspects of past, present and future.

The symbolism is present, and the writers are making us aware of this, through the names of the episodes and the references to the book.

In terms of the characters, there is no doubt that aspects of their lives and conscious minds are being reflected. The purpose of this is still not fully known, but likely has something to do with the meaning of water and mirrors. ‘Reflection’, being the key word.

Nice theory!

By: itsdesmondbrutha

itsdesmondbrutha — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:55 +0000

maybe MIB and Jacob are really Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee!