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	<title>Comments on: Dharma Initiative&#8217;s Purpose/Valenzetti Equation</title>
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		<title>By: JacobsDoubleWide</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I like this theory.

I think Widmore started DHARMA and brought them to the Island and was working with them to create the stations (the gas station was created by Widmore to get rid of DHARMA once they achieved his goals).  That is how he knew about the pylons. They are the same ones he had DHARMA set up. Widmore showed them the wheel and the swan pocket of energy.
So, what does Widmore want?  I believe he wants to harness time travel and eternal life to rule the world. I like the idea that they kept screwing up. So Widmore kills them all but his plans are messed up when Ben steals his power and banishes him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I like this theory.</p>
<p>I think Widmore started DHARMA and brought them to the Island and was working with them to create the stations (the gas station was created by Widmore to get rid of DHARMA once they achieved his goals).  That is how he knew about the pylons. They are the same ones he had DHARMA set up. Widmore showed them the wheel and the swan pocket of energy.<br />
So, what does Widmore want?  I believe he wants to harness time travel and eternal life to rule the world. I like the idea that they kept screwing up. So Widmore kills them all but his plans are messed up when Ben steals his power and banishes him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: m0nini873</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/dharma-initiatives-purposevalenzetti-equation/#comment-30311</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Glaw: They don&#039;t necessary need to tie in the Valenzetti Equation using that name, or for that matter, even the numbers.  As long as imminent doom is mentioned, the time loop theory can still hold.  We know that the island does have some time issues, because the doctor from the freighter washed up on shore before he was actually  killed.  The writers should have some time explanations.

@SawyersGirl: Thanks!!!!

@AnnaCee: I hope I am right, so I can have the luxury of saying so after the fact =) but this show has been anything but predictable, so let&#039;s see how it plays out. =)

@ wharfrat: I was actually thinking MiB is not himself causing the doomsday.  He has been cast as an evil entity, but my theory proposes that it is not him that is causing the end of the world, rather, only his absence and lack of duty (or should I say unwillingness to fulfill his dharma) will cause time NOT to reset, therefore resulting in the end of the world.

Also, I understand your frustration guys..I had written this post like two days before it got uploaded to the site =(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Glaw: They don&#8217;t necessary need to tie in the Valenzetti Equation using that name, or for that matter, even the numbers.  As long as imminent doom is mentioned, the time loop theory can still hold.  We know that the island does have some time issues, because the doctor from the freighter washed up on shore before he was actually  killed.  The writers should have some time explanations.</p>
<p>@SawyersGirl: Thanks!!!!</p>
<p>@AnnaCee: I hope I am right, so I can have the luxury of saying so after the fact =) but this show has been anything but predictable, so let&#8217;s see how it plays out. =)</p>
<p>@ wharfrat: I was actually thinking MiB is not himself causing the doomsday.  He has been cast as an evil entity, but my theory proposes that it is not him that is causing the end of the world, rather, only his absence and lack of duty (or should I say unwillingness to fulfill his dharma) will cause time NOT to reset, therefore resulting in the end of the world.</p>
<p>Also, I understand your frustration guys..I had written this post like two days before it got uploaded to the site =(</p>
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		<title>By: obsessedWlost</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/dharma-initiatives-purposevalenzetti-equation/#comment-30300</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wharfrat, adayafar - i know it&#039;s so annoying having to wait days to see your theories! at first i thought ok it&#039;s my first one, she she has to approve it, then i was like ok i have under 10 maybe once i get more than 10 theories, now i have more than 10 and it still takes ages for my theories to show up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wharfrat, adayafar &#8211; i know it&#8217;s so annoying having to wait days to see your theories! at first i thought ok it&#8217;s my first one, she she has to approve it, then i was like ok i have under 10 maybe once i get more than 10 theories, now i have more than 10 and it still takes ages for my theories to show up!</p>
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		<title>By: ADayAfar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wharfrat77: Just wanted to say... I know the feeling! The admin is probably backed up on all the posts... since she&#039;s overseas. Plus I think she bookmarks everything from Tuesday to Thursday since Lost airs later in the UK. 

I have a Sun/Jin theory I finally posted and am SO anxious to get feedback/other people&#039;s opinions. But it hasn&#039;t been approved and I&#039;m afraid won&#039;t be until the weekend! :[ I feel your pain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wharfrat77: Just wanted to say&#8230; I know the feeling! The admin is probably backed up on all the posts&#8230; since she&#8217;s overseas. Plus I think she bookmarks everything from Tuesday to Thursday since Lost airs later in the UK. </p>
<p>I have a Sun/Jin theory I finally posted and am SO anxious to get feedback/other people&#8217;s opinions. But it hasn&#8217;t been approved and I&#8217;m afraid won&#8217;t be until the weekend! :[ I feel your pain!</p>
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		<title>By: wharfrat77</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/dharma-initiatives-purposevalenzetti-equation/#comment-30296</link>
		<dc:creator>wharfrat77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glaw: &quot;I donâ€™t think they are gonna mess with the â€œValenzetti Equationâ€ this far in the story&quot;--  The reason why the Valenzetti Equation hasn&#039;t been brought up by the producers on the show is because the doomday answer is the BIG answer we are all looking for: what does all of this mean? and why is it happening? answer:the prevention of or cause of doomsday. &quot;[Lost] is meant to be â€œunderstoodâ€ by everyone (or at least by most poeple), not just a selected group of people.&quot; - I can explain the Valenzetti Equation to the most casual viewer in 1 paragraph or in a 5 minute scene.

We know that the D.I. was doing experiments to change one of the numeric values , we also know that these values are actually people &quot;we are the variables&quot;, and we know that if you change a numeric value you can prevent doomsday.. So if A=B and B=C then A=C. If you change the people you can prevent doomsday.
We wont hear the name valentetti until one of the last episodes.


AnnaCee: &quot;it does not explain who Jacob and MIB are.&quot; - Where do Jacob and MIB fit into this? It would seem to me and to obsessedwithlost that the DI had the question but  didnt know the answer, and Jacob and MIB had the answer but didn&#039;t know the question. I see Jacob and MIB as a very powerful yin/yang charecter. I wouldn&#039;t say god and the devil but just opposites. 
At this point i&#039;m not sure if its MIB or Jacob that want to bring on doomsday. I think we are supposed to believe its the MIB. The other is trying to prevent it.

Flash sidways is what happens after they prevent doomsday from happening. We are watching the ending of the show in those flash sideways. 

WHY CAN I NOT STILL POST ON THE THEORY BOARD??!!! I&#039;ve been signed up for weeks and it still takes 1 1/2 weeks to see my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glaw: &#8220;I donâ€™t think they are gonna mess with the â€œValenzetti Equationâ€ this far in the story&#8221;&#8211;  The reason why the Valenzetti Equation hasn&#8217;t been brought up by the producers on the show is because the doomday answer is the BIG answer we are all looking for: what does all of this mean? and why is it happening? answer:the prevention of or cause of doomsday. &#8220;[Lost] is meant to be â€œunderstoodâ€ by everyone (or at least by most poeple), not just a selected group of people.&#8221; &#8211; I can explain the Valenzetti Equation to the most casual viewer in 1 paragraph or in a 5 minute scene.</p>
<p>We know that the D.I. was doing experiments to change one of the numeric values , we also know that these values are actually people &#8220;we are the variables&#8221;, and we know that if you change a numeric value you can prevent doomsday.. So if A=B and B=C then A=C. If you change the people you can prevent doomsday.<br />
We wont hear the name valentetti until one of the last episodes.</p>
<p>AnnaCee: &#8220;it does not explain who Jacob and MIB are.&#8221; &#8211; Where do Jacob and MIB fit into this? It would seem to me and to obsessedwithlost that the DI had the question but  didnt know the answer, and Jacob and MIB had the answer but didn&#8217;t know the question. I see Jacob and MIB as a very powerful yin/yang charecter. I wouldn&#8217;t say god and the devil but just opposites.<br />
At this point i&#8217;m not sure if its MIB or Jacob that want to bring on doomsday. I think we are supposed to believe its the MIB. The other is trying to prevent it.</p>
<p>Flash sidways is what happens after they prevent doomsday from happening. We are watching the ending of the show in those flash sideways. </p>
<p>WHY CAN I NOT STILL POST ON THE THEORY BOARD??!!! I&#8217;ve been signed up for weeks and it still takes 1 1/2 weeks to see my post.</p>
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		<title>By: obsessedWlost</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/dharma-initiatives-purposevalenzetti-equation/#comment-30293</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wharfrat - as i started reading you comment, i started thinking, what if the numbers arent just numerical values, what if they are the people and the people need to be changed not the equation itself. and sure enough, you said the same thing!

 so what if DHARMA didn&#039;t understand that and that&#039;s why they came did all these experiments to change the numerical values themselves, by manipulating the environment and such. and that&#039;s why they failed cuz they were trying to change the wrong thing.

 jacob on the other hand, knows that you are supposed to change the people, but probably didnt know what the mathemtical equations was, so he brought a bunch of people to the island, assigned them numbers, tested them, one by one the people changed, as in the accepted their faults, but their changing didnt affect anything, so jacob &quot;killed&quot; them off, so now the only people that remain are the people who were assigned the important numbers, and if these people change then the fate of humanity will change.

what do you guys think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wharfrat &#8211; as i started reading you comment, i started thinking, what if the numbers arent just numerical values, what if they are the people and the people need to be changed not the equation itself. and sure enough, you said the same thing!</p>
<p> so what if DHARMA didn&#8217;t understand that and that&#8217;s why they came did all these experiments to change the numerical values themselves, by manipulating the environment and such. and that&#8217;s why they failed cuz they were trying to change the wrong thing.</p>
<p> jacob on the other hand, knows that you are supposed to change the people, but probably didnt know what the mathemtical equations was, so he brought a bunch of people to the island, assigned them numbers, tested them, one by one the people changed, as in the accepted their faults, but their changing didnt affect anything, so jacob &#8220;killed&#8221; them off, so now the only people that remain are the people who were assigned the important numbers, and if these people change then the fate of humanity will change.</p>
<p>what do you guys think?</p>
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		<title>By: AnnaCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnaCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monini, 

Your Valenzetti Equation theory is probably as close to the answer as we&#039;re gonna get until the bitter end.  

However, it does not explain who Jacob and MIB are.  I believe the answer to this question is the final end.  Once sentence, no further explanation will be required.  

Loving the mystery ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monini, </p>
<p>Your Valenzetti Equation theory is probably as close to the answer as we&#8217;re gonna get until the bitter end.  </p>
<p>However, it does not explain who Jacob and MIB are.  I believe the answer to this question is the final end.  Once sentence, no further explanation will be required.  </p>
<p>Loving the mystery &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SawyersGirl45</title>
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		<dc:creator>SawyersGirl45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moni - the Xray photo thingy is about 3 mins into 5x01 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moni &#8211; the Xray photo thingy is about 3 mins into 5&#215;01 <img src='http://www.theoriesonlost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think they are gonna mess with the â€œValenzetti Equationâ€ this far in the story, since lots of people have never played the game you mentioned and/or never read about it in any site(Older people, busy people, etc...).
Remember this is a tv show. Is produced by ABC and is meant to be &quot;understood&quot; by everyone (or at least by most poeple), not just a selected group of people.

(Sorry for my not so good english.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they are gonna mess with the â€œValenzetti Equationâ€ this far in the story, since lots of people have never played the game you mentioned and/or never read about it in any site(Older people, busy people, etc&#8230;).<br />
Remember this is a tv show. Is produced by ABC and is meant to be &#8220;understood&#8221; by everyone (or at least by most poeple), not just a selected group of people.</p>
<p>(Sorry for my not so good english.)</p>
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		<title>By: wharfrat77</title>
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		<dc:creator>wharfrat77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from my theory- &quot;record Theory- Awesome&quot;

&quot;The following was taken from The Lost Experience, an online alternate reality game designed by the writers and producers of Lost to engage fans and expand the storyline that is played in between the seasons:  Enzo Valenzetti is the reclusive Princeton University mathematician who was commissioned by the UN in 1962 to investigate the threat of mankind extinguishing itself. The result of his research was the Valenzetti Equation. According to the 1975 orientation film in the Sri Lanka Video (part of The Lost Experience), the Valenzetti Equation â€œpredicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself.â€ During the video, Alvar Hanso also states that the radio transmitter on the Island will â€œbroadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation.â€ The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday.  This is a fact that the writers have put into this story. 

         Looking at the bold above it leads one to believe that if any one of the remaining people(numbers) can be changed  (Hurley,Sayid,Sawyer,Jack,Jin) it can give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday.  They ARE the variables.

         Every weird and bazaar thing we have seen on this show was either MIB or Jacobsâ€™s influence on the players and the people surrounding the players.

Picture a record spinning on a record player. Now imagine that the groove on the record is the timeline of existence, as we know it. The very first point of the record is what we know as â€œThe Big Bangâ€, it is the start of the universe, the beginning of everything. The end of the record is just the opposite, doomsday, the end of existence with a â€œBig Bangâ€. The Record then repeats. The big bang is actually the beginning and the end, itâ€™s the restart. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from my theory- &#8220;record Theory- Awesome&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The following was taken from The Lost Experience, an online alternate reality game designed by the writers and producers of Lost to engage fans and expand the storyline that is played in between the seasons:  Enzo Valenzetti is the reclusive Princeton University mathematician who was commissioned by the UN in 1962 to investigate the threat of mankind extinguishing itself. The result of his research was the Valenzetti Equation. According to the 1975 orientation film in the Sri Lanka Video (part of The Lost Experience), the Valenzetti Equation â€œpredicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself.â€ During the video, Alvar Hanso also states that the radio transmitter on the Island will â€œbroadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation.â€ The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday.  This is a fact that the writers have put into this story. </p>
<p>         Looking at the bold above it leads one to believe that if any one of the remaining people(numbers) can be changed  (Hurley,Sayid,Sawyer,Jack,Jin) it can give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday.  They ARE the variables.</p>
<p>         Every weird and bazaar thing we have seen on this show was either MIB or Jacobsâ€™s influence on the players and the people surrounding the players.</p>
<p>Picture a record spinning on a record player. Now imagine that the groove on the record is the timeline of existence, as we know it. The very first point of the record is what we know as â€œThe Big Bangâ€, it is the start of the universe, the beginning of everything. The end of the record is just the opposite, doomsday, the end of existence with a â€œBig Bangâ€. The Record then repeats. The big bang is actually the beginning and the end, itâ€™s the restart. &#8220;</p>
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