Comments on: Good of the group vs. good of the individual http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:30:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: imisscharlie http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28982 imisscharlie Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:57:06 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28982 Hey Apostle, we must be on the same wavelength--I posted the exact same idea about MIB and Jacob being good and evil personified in "It's not always Black and White" written by Wesley on 2/27! I think we're on to something here. Hey Apostle, we must be on the same wavelength–I posted the exact same idea about MIB and Jacob being good and evil personified in “It’s not always Black and White” written by Wesley on 2/27! I think we’re on to something here.

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]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28975 dabiatchishere Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:09:53 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28975 Hi The Apostle, I watched the last clip and see what you are referring to. If you notice in earlier seasons, whenever 'the losties' returned from a 'mission', they re-entered the beach camp in much the same manner, and the camera angles and symmetry were also present and quite similar in nature. I have discussed 'Mirror' theory somewhere around here by way of comments. There is some very interesting information on this topic, if you Google Mirror Theory in Quantum Mechanics. I think it might be what you are looking for. Once again, great work on your theory! Thoroughly enjoyable read! Hi The Apostle, I watched the last clip and see what you are referring to. If you notice in earlier seasons, whenever ‘the losties’ returned from a ‘mission’, they re-entered the beach camp in much the same manner, and the camera angles and symmetry were also present and quite similar in nature.

I have discussed ‘Mirror’ theory somewhere around here by way of comments. There is some very interesting information on this topic, if you Google Mirror Theory in Quantum Mechanics.

I think it might be what you are looking for.

Once again, great work on your theory! Thoroughly enjoyable read!

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]]> By: The Apostle http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28953 The Apostle Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:53:49 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28953 Okay, I found the other scene from Dr. Linus on youtube.com, go to the 2:05 mark of the link below. And scratch Sayid from my previous mentions, I meant to write Richard. Just look at this scene, at especially 2:20, how the characters are even postioning themselves to be symmetrical. Damn I am going insane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX9d6QmDuw0 Okay, I found the other scene from Dr. Linus on youtube.com, go to the 2:05 mark of the link below. And scratch Sayid from my previous mentions, I meant to write Richard. Just look at this scene, at especially 2:20, how the characters are even postioning themselves to be symmetrical. Damn I am going insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX9d6QmDuw0

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]]> By: The Apostle http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28952 The Apostle Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:47:53 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28952 Man when I re-read my posts I realize how disorganized and random my thoughts are, it is actually quite horrible to re-read them. Okay, the first scene that I reference above, the Penny's boat one, is linked below. Please watch how the characters seem to be almost symmetrical, and I don't mean symmetrical only in the sense of how they are standing but how most of the characters offset one another. The scene starts at about the 34th minute but look closely at 35:30, it just seems very apparent there. http://abc.go.com/watch/lost/93372/136594/theres-no-place-like-home-part-3 And then compare this scene with the beach scene from this latest episode, where Ben and Sayid are slightly distanced from the min-groups. I think we are seeing the convergence of two groups, realities, or timelines in these instances. Man when I re-read my posts I realize how disorganized and random my thoughts are, it is actually quite horrible to re-read them.

Okay, the first scene that I reference above, the Penny’s boat one, is linked below. Please watch how the characters seem to be almost symmetrical, and I don’t mean symmetrical only in the sense of how they are standing but how most of the characters offset one another. The scene starts at about the 34th minute but look closely at 35:30, it just seems very apparent there.

http://abc.go.com/watch/lost/93372/136594/theres-no-place-like-home-part-3

And then compare this scene with the beach scene from this latest episode, where Ben and Sayid are slightly distanced from the min-groups.

I think we are seeing the convergence of two groups, realities, or timelines in these instances.

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]]> By: The Apostle http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28948 The Apostle Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:00:49 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28948 ekolocation - thanks for taking it easy on me this time, I know it took a little effort to hold back. I don't know how I feel about Ilana, or more importantly what role she plays. As a big reincarnation supporter, I think her and Kate may be cut of the same cloth. Maybe in a future timeline Kate becomes a proponent of Jacob. I missed the shift there on jacob. Dabs - I too have been curious about Lapidus. He is too good hearted, too pure to not be a candidate. I think he will play just as significant a role as Jack or close to it. One miscellaneous blurb I forgot to mention in the opening post was that I think we have now witnessed another convergence of two timelines or a convergence of a mirrored relaity. I actually can't believe I haven't seen this dicussed yet, maybe I have missed it. I,Locke - I have thought that Jack sure wakes up in a calm manner for having just been in a plane crash, and then later stating he doesn't remember it at all. What, does he think he just appeared there? I think he has been there before. In a post a while ago I mentioned how it appeared as though in a specific episode, one of the ones on Penny's boat, where it seemed as though there were two groups of very similar people in the presence of one another. Off the top of my head the people were Jack and Desmond, Kate and Juliet, Hurley and Sayid, and I think Sun and Aaron were "alone." I think the custody of Aaron shifted at this time as well. Well in this latest episode I think we have seen another convergence of sorts. The beach scene with the two groups of people, I can only recall Ben and Sayid standing away from the group but that whole scene and the Losties present sure appeared symmetrical. Almost as though they were meeting up at some point in space and time. ekolocation - thanks for taking it easy on me this time, I know it took a little effort to hold back. I don’t know how I feel about Ilana, or more importantly what role she plays. As a big reincarnation supporter, I think her and Kate may be cut of the same cloth. Maybe in a future timeline Kate becomes a proponent of Jacob. I missed the shift there on jacob.

Dabs - I too have been curious about Lapidus. He is too good hearted, too pure to not be a candidate. I think he will play just as significant a role as Jack or close to it.

One miscellaneous blurb I forgot to mention in the opening post was that I think we have now witnessed another convergence of two timelines or a convergence of a mirrored relaity. I actually can’t believe I haven’t seen this dicussed yet, maybe I have missed it.

I,Locke - I have thought that Jack sure wakes up in a calm manner for having just been in a plane crash, and then later stating he doesn’t remember it at all. What, does he think he just appeared there? I think he has been there before.

In a post a while ago I mentioned how it appeared as though in a specific episode, one of the ones on Penny’s boat, where it seemed as though there were two groups of very similar people in the presence of one another. Off the top of my head the people were Jack and Desmond, Kate and Juliet, Hurley and Sayid, and I think Sun and Aaron were “alone.” I think the custody of Aaron shifted at this time as well. Well in this latest episode I think we have seen another convergence of sorts. The beach scene with the two groups of people, I can only recall Ben and Sayid standing away from the group but that whole scene and the Losties present sure appeared symmetrical. Almost as though they were meeting up at some point in space and time.

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]]> By: I, Locke http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28892 I, Locke Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:17:26 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28892 I like this theory. I've been rewatching season 1 and the very first thing that Jack does when he wakes up on the island is help save as many of the wounded survivors as he can (before even stitching himself up!) I like this theory. I’ve been rewatching season 1 and the very first thing that Jack does when he wakes up on the island is help save as many of the wounded survivors as he can (before even stitching himself up!)

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]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28866 dabiatchishere Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:25:18 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28866 The Apostle, I love your thoughts on this, and believe they are very relevant. I agree with your thoughts on Jin being a more viable candidate the Sun, for the reasons you mention. I also agree that Kate's case isn't as clear cut. Note, that her name is crossed out in the Cave, but isn't in the Lighthouse! Sawyer appears to be moving towards a dark side, but as a con-man, this might indicate that he will see through the many 'guises'. I agree that Walt has 'special powers' and you have to be somewhat suspect that 'the others' wanted him off of 'the island'. I also agree with your take on Nemesis and Jacob. There is so many things to consider with these two. Not everything is black and white, and/or how it seems. There are many layers to 'this onion' and we have to keep peeling away before we can assess who has 'truer' motives for the good of all. I would like to address one character who has been grossly underestimated in terms of what they bring to the table in terms of the overall good or betterment of the group. That is, Frank Lapidus. He chose to join the Freighter Group willingly, because he was suspect of a cover-up regarding #815. He came to 'the island' of his own free volition. Since being there, he has ONLY done good deeds that are unselfish on behalf of everyone in the group, has never complained, and has only tried to be helpful, without being too judgmental or interested in any specific sides or outcomes. Excellent work! The Apostle, I love your thoughts on this, and believe they are very relevant.

I agree with your thoughts on Jin being a more viable candidate the Sun, for the reasons you mention. I also agree that Kate’s case isn’t as clear cut. Note, that her name is crossed out in the Cave, but isn’t in the Lighthouse! Sawyer appears to be moving towards a dark side, but as a con-man, this might indicate that he will see through the many ‘guises’.

I agree that Walt has ’special powers’ and you have to be somewhat suspect that ‘the others’ wanted him off of ‘the island’.

I also agree with your take on Nemesis and Jacob. There is so many things to consider with these two. Not everything is black and white, and/or how it seems. There are many layers to ‘this onion’ and we have to keep peeling away before we can assess who has ‘truer’ motives for the good of all.

I would like to address one character who has been grossly underestimated in terms of what they bring to the table in terms of the overall good or betterment of the group. That is, Frank Lapidus. He chose to join the Freighter Group willingly, because he was suspect of a cover-up regarding #815.

He came to ‘the island’ of his own free volition. Since being there, he has ONLY done good deeds that are unselfish on behalf of everyone in the group, has never complained, and has only tried to be helpful, without being too judgmental or interested in any specific sides or outcomes.

Excellent work!

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]]> By: AllGoodThings http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28865 AllGoodThings Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:19:01 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28865 I liked the idea that the lighthouse is Jacob or MIB's place and the cave was the dwelling of the other one. It seems to me that Jacob is now running around in MIB's territory and vice versa. The result is that MIB has seemed genuinely surprised by a few things--Sawyers ability to see the kid-- and Jacob was able to tell hurley how to get to the lighthouse. I liked the idea that the lighthouse is Jacob or MIB’s place and the cave was the dwelling of the other one. It seems to me that Jacob is now running around in MIB’s territory and vice versa. The result is that MIB has seemed genuinely surprised by a few things–Sawyers ability to see the kid– and Jacob was able to tell hurley how to get to the lighthouse.

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]]> By: ekolocation http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/03/good-of-the-group-vs-good-of-the-individual/#comment-28854 ekolocation Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:12:38 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=10795#comment-28854 WORST THEORY EVER! juuust kidding. i like the idea of the selfish group vs. the help others group. maybe thats why ilanna kept ben, because he sacrificed what he wanted all the time for the island. WORST THEORY EVER! juuust kidding. i like the idea of the selfish group vs. the help others group. maybe thats why ilanna kept ben, because he sacrificed what he wanted all the time for the island.

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