This is my stab at the challenge that Cocodoll set forth to tell a short story that mentions every episode title. This story utilizes season one episodes and is based on the Prisoner.

He watched on the main screen as the latest resident was dragged back within the perimeter by Rover. They always try at least one escape and Rover always thwarts them. The new arrivals usually run after their ‘orientation’ talk but this one ran immediately. He was a little leary of this new arrival and was of the opinion that the Village should be connected to that place in any form. But it was the template that the Village was based on. At least the Powers could be assured that the upgrades to Rover and the rest of the system was working. He could see that the new arrival was going to be a handful and he had to set his foot down, so he had the arrival brought before him.

“It was not very original of you to try and PILOT a boat away from here. But at least you know now that you can’t leave.”

The new arrival was still dazed from the encounter with…with…whatever it was. It looked so harmless and yet was very effective at preventing escape. “Where am I?” the arrival inquired.

“In the Village. ” Always the same first question. So predictable of the new arrivals. He could see the look of confusion on the arrival’s face.

“This isn’t what I envisioned when I left the Island. But I left there and I’ll leave here too. Who are you?”

“I am Number 2. You are Number 8. And you needn’t worry about the Island. You were so eager to leave it so you were brought to the Village. The Village will give you a comfortable place to live and a TABLA RASA, a clean slate. In return we want the information and knowledge you have. You are free to WALKABOUT the Village. That Island has given you special knowledge and abbilities that would be useful to the Village. That is all we ask for. We would rather you give it to us freely, even maybe work with us. But if you don’t give it to us then at least enjoy your stay here and partake of what the Village has to offer. Either way you can’t leave the Village.” Number 2 could see that the situation was starting to sink into Number 8. He could also see that Number 8 was starting to seeth underneath the surface.

“I won’t follow your WHITE RABBIT nor enjoy the pleasures of your HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN. Don’t tell me what I can’t do. I’ll escape and I won’t turn back!”

Now Number 2 was starting to see more of the fury contained in Number 8. This could be helpful. Number 2 was looking forward to this challenge. He decided to push all of Number 8’s buttons at once. “Like THE MOTH to the flame you will always return to the Village. I know you consider yourself quite the CONFIDENCE MAN, a very smart and manipulative man, Number 8. But there’s all that SOLITARY time you spent, not good for the mind. Eats away at you don’t you know? I won’t go into detail about what happened to your mother. So remind me Number 8, were you RAISED BY ANOTHER? Or perhaps your problem is with your father. I’ve heard that ALL THE BEST COWBOYS HAVE DADDY ISSUES. Ever want to be a cowboy Number 8? Don’t fret Number 8, in the Village you won’t be alone.” Number 2 sat back and calmly waited for Number 8’s reaction. He did not have to wait long.

“You better make sure I’m locked far away. I guarantee if you keep me in this Village I will win over the HEARTS AND MINDS of all the Villagers. This place is not SPECIAL. I’ll have my HOMECOMING and you’ll have so many OUTLAWS that you’ll beg me to let you join me. I don’t give a damn about your NUMBERS nor your DEUS EX MACHINA, oversized pool toy you laughingly call a secsurity system. You’ll have to kill me to stop me. And I don’t believe you will do that.”

Number 2 was impressed. The Powers and Number 1 were correct in their assessment that this was the toughest case since Number 6. ” There are plenty of mental tactics at our disposal Number 8. Although it is true that when it comes to your physical well-being the prevailing rule is DO NO HARM, that is not so with the other Villagers. So, for THE GREATER GOOD, although you feel like you were BORN TO RUN, you will not be allowed to lead an EXODUS from the Village. You may be done with the Island but the Village is just starting with you Number 8. Be seeing you.”

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This is just a quick thought of mine. I don’t necessarily believe what im writing because i am of the opionion that everyone in Lost is in some form or another lying so i don’t really know what’s going on anymore.

ANYWAY, according to Jacob, the candidates are there to replace him and therefore to keep MIB trapped on the Island. i don’t think that this is true for a few reasons. firstly, who was protecting the Island when Jacob was off it seeing Hurley, Jack, Kate etc? Also, i think Jacob would have got someone in place well before MIB indirectly killed him, if keeping MIB trapped was his main priority.

I don’t think its about keeping MIB trapped, i think it’s about proving him wrong (as Jacob stated in the S5 finale). This is what i believe the candidate’s purposes is; to show that even against all the odds, man can remain uncorruptable. Unlike how Claire and Sayid have been tricked by false promises, the Candidate will be the one who will be offered everything but refuses it.

For example, Kate might die (Jack’s main love in Lost) and MIB may offer him things like being reunited with her and a second chance with his father for which Jack will turn down this offer.

IDK, this is just a wild theory on my part written quickly just off the top of my head.

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I’m going back and watching the earlier seasons now that the semester is over. I’ve made it to Season 2 episode 11 and cant believe all the references to the things we have been anticipating and revealed in season 6.

I cant believe the writers have managed to be so consistent. It seems evident they had a clear ending to the story, where all along I thought they were just going deeper and deeper (and getting quite annoying). For instance the beginning of S02E11 from Lostpedia:
CHRISTIAN: Well, then tell him I’m very sorry but he’s not a candidate for surgery
. . . .
CHRISTIAN: Because what your father is looking for is not a surgical procedure. What he is looking for is a miracle.
Translation by Sara-SNWG: Sir, I did not come all this way for you. I came for your son.
Obviously there are better examples for what I’m getting at, but I just now watched that and thought to finally check this site and see what people are thinking/noticing. Later in the episode Jack’s wife tells him she might be pregnant.. then shown pregnant in the end of season 3. I never remember any of this– probably because It didn’t matter to the storyline when I watched initially.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has recommendations on episodes foreshadowing season 6.

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Maybe the blonde boy is Jacob and he killed someone. Maybe they are brothers and Jacob killed their father and that’s why the boy had the hands full of blood and that’s why their mother got crazy.

Possibly Jacob feels regret for murdering and that why he decided to spend the rest of his life on the island. MIB lost someone he loved, in this case his father and feels anger and disappointment about all humanity for it. Jacob wants to repent for his acts and decided to show his brother that he can be good and that humanity is good too and he won’t let him go until he proves his point and his brother forgives him.

MIB is not evil, but he can’t stand his brother, that’s why he wanted to kill Jacob so badly and he is also desperate after being stuck for more than one thousand years in the island.

Jacob appears as a kid to MIB to disturb him. It is Jacob appearing as a ghost to make him give up on leaving the island until he shows that people can be good.

Jacob is not completely sane and is quite bipolar as can be noticed when he attacked Richard. He acted completely differently from his messianic behavior in other appearances. That’s why he likes to torment his brother with his appearances as a boy, reminding him of what he did. He also possibly made MIB lose his body and gave him the smoke appearance, but I don’t know how. Jacob created those rules and one of them is that MIB can’t reveal their true motives. That’s why MIB seems to be more sincere than Jacob, but he is unable to say why he does the things he does.

I’m not sure as this is exactly what happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised as something like that was true and neither Jacob nor MIB are completely good or evil. I get the feeling most of the time that MIB is a victim and he is so desperate to be free that he doesn’t mind killing or taking whatever action is needed to leave the island, his brother Jacob and his smoke form behind.

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I decided to go ahead and further embarrass myself on this site by diving into an idea that cocoadoll brought up a few days ago. It’s a short story I created involving every single Lost episode title, in chronological order, from the beginning. If you want to try this yourself, you are admitting to everyone that you have more time on your hands than you know what to do with…..which is actually a good thing these days, especially in this society. . . . .Anyway, excuse the lack of grammar in this “story”. I don’t read books very often and I don’t know shit about the English language in terms of how to write it in it’s proper form. I’m going to write this fiction in first person, so wish me luck.

The Pilot and the Plumber Lady

It was a late April morning here in the midwest of what was once considered to be the strongest defended nation on the planet. For the past two weeks however, this country’s been missing one of it’s finest military weapons ever known to man: Me. I’d consider myself to be a complicated individual. I’d even venture to say I have two major parts to my personality. I’m an F-16 pilot: part 1, and an F-16 pilot: part 2. It goes without saying, I’m a helluva pilot, and I’m the most dangerous militant on this planet.

A couple Saturdays ago, I was mowing my grass with a chainsaw, like a real man, and my MP3 player’s battery decided to run out of juice. In a fit of rage, I drove the chainsaw through my right leg, rupturing my tibia, as well as my tabula rasa. I couldn’t believe what I had just done. I tried with all my might to walkabout the yard, but when a destroyed leg is barely hanging off a hamstring, it’s time to lay down and call “911”. So I preceded to do so. For whatever reason, it took the ambulance a solid 2 hours to reach my residence. During my wait, I passed out in the yard. I dreamt of the scene in Monty Python’s Holy Grail where that silly white rabbit comes out of the cave, and demolishes everyone prior to meeting the debris of thy holy hand grenade. The ambulance had finally arrived and the medics took me to the hospital with me still out cold.
“HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN!!” I exclaimed, as I awoke in a cold sweat. I was in a small room, and a very peculiar looking doctor to my right asked me what I had said.
“No idea”, I muttered in embarrassment. “Who are you?”
“Doctor Taylor. But some call me, “the moth””
“Why do people call you “the moth””, I asked with my fingers making air quotes.
He replied with a solid smile, “I have an abundance of confidence, man. Just like a moth.”

fin

Okay, I have to stop. I just realized how many episodes titles there actually are. I apologize. The plumber lady was gonna be hot too dammit.

I’m going to go ahead and post this anyway strictly to show you all that I tried. Thanks for reading it anyway.

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Duality, Dreams, the Candidates and the nature of the ALT

I’m not saying that the “ALT” is a dream — but you may want to read on….

Part I: Duality

Let’s start with a look at duality. Below are three definitions for duality — one in general terms, one as it relates to physics, and one as it relates to philosophy. Each is followed by an example (or two) in relation to Lost:

Duality (general): dichotomy: being twofold; a classification into two opposed parts.
Lost Example: good vs. evil, science vs. faith.

Duality (physics): the property of matter and electromagnetic radiation that is characterized by the fact that some properties can be explained best by wave theory and others by particle theory
Lost Example: this is the theoretical basis of the unique physical properties of the island that allow time travel, etc. (see my theory “Hawking’s Imaginary Voyage” and others).

Duality (philosophy): The concept that our mind has a non-material, spiritual dimension that includes consciousness and possibly an eternal attribute and is separate from our physical being.
Lost Example: the ‘real’ spirits (not Nemesis faking it), Jacob’s ladder, the ‘alternate reality’ — more below…

I think we can all agree that duality is a major theme in Lost, and as is briefly mentioned above, it covers several critical aspects of the show. Fundamentally, duality has helped theorize the island’s physical properties. I also believe it can be used to help theorize the nature of the alternate reality.

Part II: Jacob (of the Bible)’s Dream

Right off the bat, spirits and dreaming have a common point relative to Lost: Jacob’s ladder. Many believe (including me) that Jacob’s name is in reference to Jacob’s ladder, a gateway to the spirit world, and that Lost (which I believe is Lost Eden, but that is a different theory) provides a unique gateway to the spirit world.

So what is the connection to spirits and dreaming?:

Jacob’s ladder: Book of Genesis (28:11—19): “And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!”

The relevance of Jacob’s ladder to dreams is this: Jacob’s ladder was revealed to Jacob in a dream. The spirits that he saw “ascending and descending” were seen by him while dreaming. Important?

As I stated, Jacob’s ladder is the figurative gateway in Lost that the spirits travel through when they visit the island — the free spirits, that is (not like Michael, who seems to be trapped like Nemesis) — spirit’s like Richard’s wife and so on.

So — if we take literally the story of Jacob (the Bible version of him) and that he saw the angels/spirits in a dream, then we can state that spirits can be seen and met in a ‘dream state’.

Using the “duality philosophy” mentioned above, the dream state can actually be considered a “reality”. Per the definition, consciousness is separate from the physical being. This consciousness resides elsewhere, in another reality.

This consciousness is also what lives on after the physical body perishes. So, the spirit of Michael is the consciousness of Michael. Same with Richard’s wife, and the other ‘real’ spirits that have been encountered on the island — they are the consciousness that live on, that have been “judged” based on their actions while living, and they reside in a different state of being, but are encountered in the “crossover” realm of the island.

But — spirits are not encountered by everyone. Recall, not everyone can see them.

Part III: Jacob’s Candidates

This will be short because I don’t have a strong theory here, just an observation. Jacob’s candidates are special. Why? I don’t know. However, one thing that they some seem to have in common (at least the finalists) is their ability to see spirits.

So it seems one criterion for the finalists may be this ‘ability’ to commune with spirits. Someone like Jack or Sawyer can see them (Jack’s father, the ‘boy’ that appears before Nemesis) but Hurley seems to take it to another level — they seem drawn to him and vice versa.

What I think this means is the following: if they can ‘see’ spirits, then they can ‘see’ or are aware of the dream state the spirits exist in.

Part IV: Alternate Reality

Final part of this theory.

In the Bible and other sacred scriptures, the term “death” and “sleep” are used interchangeably (change “death” to “spirit world”). Sleep has traditionally been called “death’s sister.” Scholars believe that the Book of Revelation is an account of a dream or a series of dream by John the Revelator. The reason it is believed to be a dream is because the symbolism found in the Book of Revelation is remarkably similar to the prophetic dream symbology of the prophet Daniel in the Book of Daniel (from a website on dreaming).

Now — I am not saying everyone is asleep and is about to wake up. Just want to clarify that.

However, I do believe there is a state of existence where the spirits reside (heaven, for instance). This state of existence is connected to the physical world through the anomaly of the Island (through Jacob’s ladder).

In the world, there are special individuals. Desmond and Ms Hawking are examples of this due to their ability to travel in their minds through imaginary space-time (see Hawking’s Imaginary Journey).

The candidates are also special. They are somehow connected to the spirit world (based on the fact they can see spirits and others cannot).

So: the alternate reality.

The hydrogen bomb explodes. The explosion is slower than the electromagnetism that is released by the explosion, thus the energy is released elsewhere and it does destroy the island or kill Jack et al in the current timeline. They are “flashed” back to the present.

We know that time travel in Lost is the “consistent histories” kind, meaning that you cannot go back in time unless history shows that you had already arrived in the past and not committed any acts that would conflict with your current situation in the present. (This is based on the fact that everything they did in Dharma was captured in the present time.)

So the explosion does not change the past, present, or future of the current reality.
Instead, I believe that a “potential” world (not the many worlds theory, where alternate realities exist) came into being. How?

The candidates “turned it on” (sort of like turning a light on in a dark room) when they were hit with the electromagnetic flash. Their physical forms went to the present, and their consciousness (remember duality) flashed into the ALT. This ALT had to exist, because the bomb went off, and the island sank, but it exists in this form because of the time travel law of consistent histories.

And what is the ALT? It is another medium, another Jacob’s ladder sort of existence. It is real, but not physically real. It is imaginary, which is why Desmond and Ms Hawking can reach it through their abilities. Spirits can enter it, which is why we see living and presently deceased people, though they are all restricted by the ‘physical memories’ which resided in their physical memories (even in the ALT), which is why Charlie does not know that he is dead, etc.

Also, because this is a ‘dream state’, individuals like Jack’s son can exist. Jack’s son is real in the sense of a dream — what I mean by that is the ALT does not create new consciousnesses, but beings exist much as they would in a dream.

Think about some of the clues in the ALT that make it seem like a dream — the inconsistencies in what people are wearing from one scene to the next (Desmond’s suit changed from the plane to the airport), Desmond’s wedding ring (he has one, he doesn’t have one), Jack’s scar on the wrong side in the mirror, the fact that Sun and Locke get to the hospital at the same time even though time must have transpired differently for each of them for that to happen, the ‘bleeding’ of real world memories into the ALT….

To clarify — I don’t think it will be as simple as the Losties waking up and the ALT disappearing. They are awake AND their consciousnesses exist in the ALT. The ALT is a real place, just not like we are used to.

And I do think it is the loophole that Nemesis has been after. With the help of the candidates, he has created a way off the island — and a way back into the spirit world that is now not guarded (“we’ll all go to hell” was what Richard’s wife said — maybe this is because evil incarnate (Satan) can now get into heaven and restart the war).

And I think this is where Nemesis wants to go, and for the ALT to continue to exist, he has to take the physical forms of the “dreamers” (candidates) with him so they cannot “awaken”.

One last thought. What does “awaken” mean? I’m not exactly sure, but I feel as if only one existence can last. Nemesis wants it to be the ALT. Desmond is doing what he can to “wake up” the candidates in the ALT and thereby (just like in Quantum Physics) create an observation by the observer that leads to one reality (hopefully the real reality)… to create a Lucid Dream scenario.

The Lucid dream is when you suddenly realize you are dreaming. One way that this occurs can be reading. Many people cannot read in their dreams, or when they do, the letters get jumbled and move around, etc…and occasionally this causes the dreamer to realize it is a dream and not real.

So if the candidates were to see the manifest — to read it… would that be enough? If there something additionally important about the manifest, something they would search it for, and yet not be able to, because, as real as it seems, this is still a dream? Other individuals can read and not affect the reality, like Linus. And at some point, if this reality becomes the ‘real’ reality, perhaps even the candidates can too. But while the ALT is in this transitional phase, perhaps this is one way to create lucidity?

And was that why Ms Hawking’s told Desmond he was not ready to see the list?
(I do realize he saw Faraday’s journal, but he barely glanced at it — maybe not enough to make him realize at that moment, but it was not long after anyhow)…

That last bit about reading is certainly a stretch (most of the theory may be — but that’s why it’s a theory!)…

So I’m sure there are many gaps in this theory, but hopefully some of it holds together.

Thanks for sticking with it….

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I’m not saying that the “ALT” is a dream — but you may want to read on….

Part I: Duality

Let’s start with a look at duality. Below are three definitions for duality — one in general terms, one as it relates to physics, and one as it relates to philosophy. Each is followed by an example (or two) in relation to Lost:

Duality (general): dichotomy: being twofold; a classification into two opposed parts.
Lost Example: good vs. evil, science vs. faith.

Duality (physics): the property of matter and electromagnetic radiation that is characterized by the fact that some properties can be explained best by wave theory and others by particle theory
Lost Example: this is the theoretical basis of the unique physical properties of the island that allow time travel, etc. (see my theory “Hawking’s Imaginary Voyage” and others).

Duality (philosophy): The concept that our mind has a non-material, spiritual dimension that includes consciousness and possibly an eternal attribute and is separate from our physical being.
Lost Example: the ‘real’ spirits (not Nemesis faking it), Jacob’s ladder, the ‘alternate reality’ — more below…

I think we can all agree that duality is a major theme in Lost, and as is briefly mentioned above, it covers several critical aspects of the show. Fundamentally, duality has helped theorize the island’s physical properties. I also believe it can be used to help theorize the nature of the alternate reality.

Part II: Jacob (of the Bible)’s Dream

Right off the bat, spirits and dreaming have a common point relative to Lost: Jacob’s ladder. Many believe (including me) that Jacob’s name is in reference to Jacob’s ladder, a gateway to the spirit world, and that Lost (which I believe is Lost Eden, but that is a different theory) provides a unique gateway to the spirit world.

So what is the connection to spirits and dreaming?:

Jacob’s ladder: Book of Genesis (28:11—19): “And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!”

The relevance of Jacob’s ladder to dreams is this: Jacob’s ladder was revealed to Jacob in a dream. The spirits that he saw “ascending and descending” were seen by him while dreaming. Important?

As I stated, Jacob’s ladder is the figurative gateway in Lost that the spirits travel through when they visit the island — the free spirits, that is (not like Michael, who seems to be trapped like Nemesis) — spirit’s like Richard’s wife and so on.

So — if we take literally the story of Jacob (the Bible version of him) and that he saw the angels/spirits in a dream, then we can state that spirits can be seen and met in a ‘dream state’.

Using the “duality philosophy” mentioned above, the dream state can actually be considered a “reality”. Per the definition, consciousness is separate from the physical being. This consciousness resides elsewhere, in another reality.

This consciousness is also what lives on after the physical body perishes. So, the spirit of Michael is the consciousness of Michael. Same with Richard’s wife, and the other ‘real’ spirits that have been encountered on the island — they are the consciousness that live on, that have been “judged” based on their actions while living, and they reside in a different state of being, but are encountered in the “crossover” realm of the island.

But — spirits are not encountered by everyone. Recall, not everyone can see them.

Part III: Jacob’s Candidates

This will be short because I don’t have a strong theory here, just an observation. Jacob’s candidates are special. Why? I don’t know. However, one thing that they some seem to have in common (at least the finalists) is their ability to see spirits.

So it seems one criterion for the finalists may be this ‘ability’ to commune with spirits. Someone like Jack or Sawyer can see them (Jack’s father, the ‘boy’ that appears before Nemesis) but Hurley seems to take it to another level — they seem drawn to him and vice versa.

What I think this means is the following: if they can ‘see’ spirits, then they can ‘see’ or are aware of the dream state the spirits exist in.

Part IV: Alternate Reality

Final part of this theory (hope you’re still going).

In the Bible and other sacred scriptures, the term “death” and “sleep” are used interchangeably (change “death” to “spirit world”). Sleep has traditionally been called “death’s sister.” Scholars believe that the Book of Revelation is an account of a dream or a series of dream by John the Revelator. The reason it is believed to be a dream is because the symbolism found in the Book of Revelation is remarkably similar to the prophetic dream symbology of the prophet Daniel in the Book of Daniel (from a website on dreaming).

Now — I am not saying everyone is asleep and is about to wake up. Just want to clarify that.

However, I do believe there is a state of existence where the spirits reside (heaven, for instance). This state of existence is connected to the physical world through the anomaly of the Island (through Jacob’s ladder).

In the world, there are special individuals. Desmond and Ms Hawking are examples of this due to their ability to travel in their minds through imaginary space-time (see Hawking’s Imaginary Journey).

The candidates are also special. They are somehow connected to the spirit world (based on the fact they can see spirits and others cannot).

So: the alternate reality.

The hydrogen bomb explodes. The explosion is slower than the electromagnetism that is released by the explosion, thus the energy is released elsewhere and it does destroy the island or kill Jack et al in the current timeline. They are “flashed” back to the present

We know that time travel in Lost is the “consistent histories” kind, meaning that you cannot go back in time unless history shows that you had already arrived in the past and not committed any acts that would conflict with your current situation in the present. (This is based on the fact that everything they did in Dharma was captured in the present time.)

So the explosion does not change the past, present, or future of the current reality.
Instead, I believe that a “potential” world (not the many worlds theory, where alternate realities exist) came into being. How?

The candidates “turned it on” (sort of like turning a light on in a dark room) when they were hit with the electromagnetic flash. Their physical forms went to the present, and their consciousness (remember duality) flashed into the ALT. This ALT had to exist, because the bomb went off, and the island sank, but it exists in this form because of the time travel law of consistent histories.

And what is the ALT? It is another medium, another Jacob’s ladder sort of existence. It is real, but not physically real. It is imaginary, which is why Desmond and Ms Hawking can reach it through their abilities. Spirits can enter it, which is why we see living and presently deceased people, though they are all restricted by the ‘physical memories’ which resided in their physical memories (even in the ALT), which is why Charlie does not know that he is dead, etc.

Also, because this is a ‘dream state’, individuals like Jack’s son can exist. Jack’s son is real in the sense of a dream — what I mean by that is the ALT does not create new consciousnesses, but beings exist much as they would in a dream.

Think about some of the clues in the ALT that make it seem like a dream — the inconsistencies in what people are wearing from one scene to the next (Desmond’s suit changed from the plane to the airport), Desmond’s wedding ring (he has one, he doesn’t have one), Jack’s scar on the wrong side in the mirror, the fact that Sun and Locke get to the hospital at the same time even though time must have transpired differently for each of them for that to happen, the ‘bleeding’ of real world memories into the ALT….

To clarify — I don’t think it will be as simple as the Losties waking up and the ALT disappearing. They are awake AND their consciousnesses exist in the ALT. The ALT is a real place, just not like we are used to.

And I do think it is the loophole that Nemesis has been after. With the help of the candidates, he has created a way off the island — and a way back into the spirit world that is now not guarded (“we’ll all go to hell” was what Richard’s wife said — maybe this is because evil incarnate (Satan) can now get into heaven and restart the war).

And I think this is where Nemesis wants to go, and for the ALT to continue to exist, he has to take the physical forms of the “dreamers” (candidates) with him so they cannot “awaken”.

One last thought. What does “awaken” mean? I’m not exactly sure, but I feel as if only one existence can last. By the law of quantum physics, only one will last at the point of observation. This is a current “unstable” moment.
Nemesis wants the ALT to be the successful reality. Desmond is doing what he can to “wake up” the candidates in the ALT and thereby (just like in Quantum Physics) create an observation by the observer that leads (hopefully) to the sole existance of the real reality.

Desmond needs to create a Lucid Dream scenario.

The Lucid dream is when you suddenly realize you are dreaming. One way that this occurs can be reading. Many people cannot read in their dreams, or when they do, the letters get jumbled and move around, etc…and occasionally this causes the dreamer to realize it is a dream and not real.

So if the candidates were to see the manifest — to read it… would that be enough? If there something additionally important about the manifest, something they would search it for, and yet not be able to, because, as real as it seems, this is still a dream? Other individuals can read and not effect the reality, like Linus. And at some point, if this reality becomes the ‘real’ reality, perhaps even the candidates can too. But while the ALT is in this transitional phase, perhaps this is one way to create lucidity?

And was that why Ms Hawking’s told Desmond he was not ready to see the list?
(I do realize he saw Faraday’s journal, but he barely glanced at it — maybe not enough to make him realize at that moment, but it was not long after anyhow)…

That last bit about reading is certainly a stretch (most of the theory may be — but that’s why it’s a theory!)…

So I’m sure there are many gaps in this theory, but hopefully some of it holds together.

Thanks for sticking with it…

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not really a theory just something i dont understand Richard was with Jacob for 140 years. You think eventually he’d go “hey whats that guy in the blacks name”

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If the island is underwater when 815 flew over, it wasn’t available for Daniel to land on it and tell ‘the Others’ to bury Jughead, so it continued to be strung up like a fish, leaking.

And, he wouldn’t have been able to tell Chang to clear the island.

So, what happened that allowed enough time to evacuate the island … including the others?

It could still be that slowly leaking Jughead, though I’m curious what convinced ‘the others’ to go – maybe Jughead deteriorated enough THEY went for help. (That could explain Dan’s premature aging, though not Chang’s youthful appearance 😉 )

Anyway, this has been bothering me since LA X – when I speculated no one got off the island – like Ben/Widmore … and MIB/Jacob drowned. The former is clearly not accurate (without another alternate timeline) … but the latter, I’ll still hold on to … as the ironic conclusion of their own actions.

Don’t know what happend to Alpert.

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I have a hard time believing that Jacob has always been so squeeky clean. Now I genuinely believe that Jacob is good, and it feels like he’s been set up as a Saint like figure or angel or perhaps even a version of God, but I think his backstory with MIB will reveal something else. So I have a few ideas:

Perhaps MIB and Jacob did used to be just men, but they became the way they were because of something that happened on the island. Now we have seen that the island has the potential for time travel and even has a ‘healing pool’ at the temple. Perhaps though there is a place on the island though that could bestow you with the ultimate of gifts; to become God. To have the powers of the Gods. Or at least great powers beyond out immagination.

supposing Jacob and MIB came to the island just like everybody else. And perhaps they learned from the cultures that had been there before them that all kind of wonders lay on the island, but there were warnings about messing with the islands potential. Now supposing MIB did used to be a man, and maybe he lost someone he loved. Now maybe in his grief Jacob persuaded him to try and obtain the power to bring this person back. But maybe Jacob was only acting in his own self interest. Maybe there was a place on the island that promised great power, but also a great curse. Perhaps Jacob set up MIB unintentionally, maybe they turned a wheel like at the orchid and MIB got hit by the curse and Jacob got hit by the God powers. Now for some reason the evil cannot trump the good, it’s at it’s mercy. So MIB is taken over by evil, loses his humanity and maybe even his body. He is a formless soul. Maybe Jacob realises the dangers of this, that evil wishes to spread. Maybe it infects the rest of their ‘tribe’ maybe Jacob has to kill them. Jacob resolves there and then that the power he wanted has come with the responsibility that evil must be kept in it’s prison. The island is it’s prison and Jacob is it’s master that it cannot kill. Maybe MIB wants to escape the island and infect everyone as a sort of revenge to Jacob, so that everyone is as empty as him and all the good goes from the world. Maybe Jacob realises that the only way to blot out evil is show it that the human heart is good, and if he can get MIB to see this then he can wipe it out forever.

However Jacob realises that one day MIB is going to find a way to kill him. He’s going to find a loop and a willing acomplice. So he begins to weave his own plan, so that it’s clear that Jacob can choose another to take his place. His never ending list of candidates. But supposing Jacob is weaving a tapestry that will take even longer to play out than MIB’s loop. MIB used time travel to secure him Lockes form, but maybe thats exactly what Jacob wants him to do, he wants him to take Lockes form specifically because John was such a man of faith and good and who believed. Then Jacob knew the incident would open up a tangent universe where Locke and his goodness still existed and that somone like Desmond and someone like Jack could then bridge the two timelines and what we find is Lockes consciousness being reborn in MIB’s body. I think the candidate is the person who will show pure faith in Jacob and I think it is Jack. I think Jack will be responisble for Locke being reborn inside MIB, and as such MIB will become trapped inside John. Locke will become the cork; he is both the new Jacob (protector of the island) and evil incarnate. They will be the one form at last. trapped in the one body.

I think this was Jacobs plan all along. I think he was a man who got curious about the island and let out the darkness by accident. I then think he spent the rest of his life trying to find a way to put things right. Not a saint or a God, just a man who had to redeem himself.

I guess we will see how things play out in the next few episodes, but I reckon Jack will play a huge role, Desmond (who Sayid obviously didnt kill) an even bigger role, we’ll see the true intentions of Charles Widmore, hopefully Ben will sacrifice himself for something good to make up for killing Jacob, and we’ll get the Jacob MIB backstory that I’m dying to see so we can make sense of why these kids keep turning up to wind up MIB! (I reckon they are possibly Jacob flashing through time, or Jacob doing a Walt and appearing with no explanation)

Either way I hope the seires ends with no loose threads, thats why I think the Losties will either die, live on in the alt universe, and the island will definitely sink.

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but what if we are dealing with two seperate smoke monsters. Let me break it down for you:

– When the monster scans people and “judges” them, it makes a very distinct clicking noise.

– When it is killing someone, it makes heavy chain clanking noises, as well as the roar which we all are very familiar with.

– Since jacob was murdered we haven’t seen the scanning version of the smoke monster, only the killing one.

What if both jacob and MIB are smoke monsters, the only difference, is that it was jacobs job to judge, while MIB’s job was to kill whoever jacob didn’t need?

Since Jacob has been killed, we have only seen the MIB version of the smoke monster, could this be the reason?

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This quote was first associated with John Locke. However when Jack says this to Sawyer on the boat, I think Jack is acting out exactly as Jacob planned him to.

The reason why I say this is due to the quote above. MIB seems desperate to get off the island and wants all the candidates to go with him. However I think Jack is realising that MIB is full of empty promises and is only interested in seeking his own agenda.

MIB insisted on telling Jack that John Locke was a sucker for thinking the island was special, yet recently Jack’s attitude towards the island is very similiar to Locke’s attitude when they first arrived to the island. Jack is realising that MIB is trying to persuade Jack that the island is nothing and leaving would let Jack return to his normal life.

On the other hand Jack has already left the island and his normal life never resumed he was given constant reminders of the island which led to alcohol abuse and eventually returning to the island to fulfill his destiny.

So basically the bad news for MIB is Jack aint leaving the island until he believes he has done what the island requires him to do. What that requirement is remains to be seen.

If Jack doesnt leave then MIB cant leave because he needs all candidates with him in order to leave. Although Jack is with MIB, Jack does not trust him. I believe strongly that Jack will not leave the island unless his purpose has been fulfilled so all of MIB’s sweet talk will not work.

In addition if MIB cant leave Jacob has his wish. So in my opinion I believe Jack is paramount to Jacob’s plans to keep MIB on the island. Jacob decided to guide Hurley and Jack to the lighthouse.
Hurley was their as the translator for Jacob. Jacob even commented that Hurley and Jack had to be as far away from the temple as posiible due to their importance.

Jack won’t leave + MIB can’t leave = Jacob’s Wish.

Any comments are more than welcome.

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This post was created because cocoadoll came up with a great idea to create a short story using all of the titles to Lost…
She did a great one when challenged to “walk the walk” in her own posts comments.
Here is my version, with a little Lost, and something that served as inspiration for Lost…meshed together for ridiculous amounts of fun…or ridiculous amounts of stupidity…you be the judge.
I actually think it turned out quite well, even though I exceeded cocoas word limit of 1500 by about 129 words…

Here’s my story, let me know what you think…

As she reviewed the script for “The Pilot: Part One”…she knew it was wrong and that “The Pilot:

Part Two” would do much better by her own hand. Upon thinking this, Alice dropped the ‘script’,

which looked much like an old book, onto the ground.

“These writers these days…” She said to herself. “I would rather play the role in nothing more
than a “Tabula Rasa” than do something like that. Potions and red queens…I need none of them.
Might I take my daily “walkabout” and think things through properly, for I do not wish to act in
haste.”

But to not allow the story to play out could result in tragic consequences, but Alice was none the
wiser. So when the “White Rabbit” approached, she turned a cold shoulder as he looked queerly at
her, as if to say she has no choice, resistance, but not choice. As she walked, she was singing a
song to herself, as if no care in the world for the hare…

“-Oh tell my baby sister

not to do what I have done

But shun that house in New Orleans

they call the…”

“DYLAN DID IT BEST!!!” she heard from behind.

She wanted to ignore, but she knew she would just grow curiouser and curiouser if she didn’t
respond…

“What?” She asked annoyed.

“The House of the Rising Sun. Its what you were singing…Bob Dylan did it best.”

“I don’t know what you are talking about”, shouted Alice. “I would nevAr sing that. I was singing
“Twinkle Twinkle Little Bat”, as my sister and I so sometimes sing. Now bugger off you, I am
TRYING to enjoy my day.

“You have to come. You cannot ignore it. It calls for you, and always will my dear”, said the rabbit
almost sadly.

“I don’t have to do anything”, said Alice.

Just then something floated through the view of Alice as the little squiggly lines do when you have
your eyes closed and look into light. Alice focused her eyes, and pulled back a little. She looked at
the object, then at the rabbit.

“What will happen if I don’t go, if I don’t follow? Will the the sky fade away, will the world end, will this tiny creature disappear?” She looked smug now, it was not becoming of Alice.

“No”, replied the rabbit. “The sky will not fade away…but it may not be blue. The world will not
end, but it may not be the same. And “the moth” will not disappear, but it will nevar become a
beautiful butterfly.”

“Have “confidence man”!” said Alice, a little intrigued by the rabbits seeming necessity of her
company.

“MAN!” Shouted the rabbit. “For I am no “MAN, in all truth…I am not even here”, he said as he
looked up at the sky that didn’t fade away…and remained blue.

Alice’s eyes followed his into the heavens, and after realizing her hypnosis, she quickly looked
down to find herself again in “solitary”…and ever so confused.

Alice decided to continue her journey alone as planned. She walked past a house that she had
seen many times, but never the occupant of the home. There were flowers that lay dead, being
seemingly resurrected by whom Alice assumed the owner. He was touching the flowers one by
one, and as he did, the flowers sprang to life in an unimaginable speed. With the simple contact of
his finger, a beautiful rose would rise, then, just as quickly as the first rose was risen by his touch,
the next rose was “raised by another”. The man was short and tall, skinny and wide. He had a
color on that Alice couldn’t quite place.

“My sir, what color is that wonderful hat you have on?” She asked standing a substantial distance
away.

“Whatever color you want it to be my dear.” The man in the hat answered, now right in front of her.

“Do you have trouble with your father sir?” asked Alice with the most troubled look on her face.

“Nevar have, why do you ask?”

“Because I have read that all the best cowboys have daddy issues, and since you’re wearing a …”

“Its not a cowboy hat”, interrupted the hat wearer.

“Then what kind is it?” asked Alice.

“Whatever kind I wish it to be, so “whatever the case may be” it doesn’t matter, because I’m not
even wearing a hat”

Alice looked up to see a patch of hair..she was just about to ask about the color…

“You ask a lot of questions, now allow me to ask one of you. What do you call a Mad Hatter…with
no hat?”

“”MAD?”, Alice asked and answered at the same time.

“Indeed”, answered MAD. “Mad indeed.”

“But why are you mad sir?” Alice asked.

“I’m mad!?!?” exclaimed and asked MAD. “You’re the one talking to yourself.” And he was gone
when Alice took the longest blink of her life.

Alice continued on until she was grabbed by a crown wearing woman in a cape covered in what
appeared to resemble a sort of playing card.

“Who are you?” Alice exclaimed.

“I’m the “Queen of Hearts and Minds”. You have missed your “special” party, and HE is not happy.

“Hearts…AND MINDS? What party? And who in the world is HE?” asked Alice, who realized that she
did indeed ask a lot of questions once she thought about it.

“You made me the queen of minds too, because you wouldn’t give your heart, he had to get to
you through your mind.He isn’t happy, and he has to be happy. But more importantly… the party…
your party. ‘What party’?!?” she asked and exclaimed…then answered, ”Why your “homecoming” party my dear…wait…don’t you know?”

“Know? Know what” Alice asked, becoming curiouser and curiouser.

“You became attached to the “outlaws” the moment you dropped ‘the script’, and insulted the
creator.”

Alice knew she was in trouble. Was there no way for her to not do what we all know she is
supposed to do? Can she not ever have her own choice? Do we make the choice for her every
time we open the book ourselves?

Alice said the first thing she could think, “Quinque”, she said out loud.

“What did you say?” asked the queen.

“Quinque…” Alice said again, “Its Latin… or “in translation” to English…five!” exclaimed Alice. “It’s
one of the numbers that fall between four and six, and I use it to escape sometimes…shall I
translate that into Latin for you your majesty?”

The queen eyed Alice, I have a translation for you my dear…”Deus Ex Machina”, are you able to
translate that young lady? Are you able to understand why I am the not just the queen of hearts,
but of minds as well?”

“It is you that must understand the translation, with all due respect. Using a machine to pretend
to be god…does not make you god…with all due respect your majesty. Although you may be able
to push me, it will “do no harm”. For I still stand for the “greater good”, and for all that are LOST
to your rabbit hole you call ‘home’. Like the rabbit, I was “born to run” free. And just as I freed
him, I shall free myself whenever I choose.”

The Queen was red faced and without crown now. “Do you believe you are free my dear? Do you
believe that you are in control?”

The queen was screaming by this point. She had tired of playing Alice’s game. She had tired of
playing her own game. The Queen of Hearts and Minds, formerly the Queen of Hearts, had lost her
love and was tired of playing any game at all.

“I am in control said Alice. I have always been in control…I just didn’t know it. By throwing that
script…that book…that other life on the ground, I became free of anything that you or anyone else
wants or EXPECTS me to do. But you are correct about one thing…this is my home. And at this
point I would like you to leave now”, Alice said sternly as she opened a door. “You and all your
other hearts and minds can make their “exodus” here, your majesty.”

The queen looked around, and realized she was in a house, which apparently was Alice’s, and was
standing in front of the main entry door.

“”Exodus”!?!” asked and exclaimed the queen, who Alice realized was the one asking the questions
now.

“Who do you think you are to tell me to leave anywhere?!?!” asked and exclaimed the queen again.

“My name is Alice…and don’t bother, you already left”, Alice said, as the queen took the longest
blink of her life, and realized she was now standing in the dark, on the outside of the door.

“You’ll never get away with this”, yelled the queen.

“Nevar say Nevar”, said Alice, as she closed the door in the queen’s face, and turned on a light in
the room.

Alice pet her beautiful cat, and ‘he’ was so happy to have her home… and ‘he’ has to be happy. ‘He’ almost seemed to have a smile so wide it resembled a slice of mango, and as Alice walked across the room, she ran her hand along his entire, very long body, and the queens banging began to desist.

As Alice reached her destination, she listened to the last words she would ever hear the queen
say, and responded the last time she would ever have to respond.

“There are rules Alice, rules that must be followed. You are not supposed to be here, in fact…You
can’t be here!”

Alice stared at herself one last time in the looking glass that night, and gave a faint little smile as
she whispered, “Don’t tell me what I can’t do…”

Then Alice closed her eyes, and slowly counted to five.

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In Sideways life, it appears that Sun was shot the day after she arrived in LA and was taken to the hospital. And we see Locke in LA with Helen, and with Hurley and as a substitute teacher. As if Locke was in LA for many days. So has does he arrive at the hospital at the same time as Sun after Desmond runs him over?
Thoughts?

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In Sideways life, it appears that Sun was shot the day after she arrived in LA and was taken to the hospital. And we see Locke in LA with Helen, and with Hurley and as a substitute teacher. As if Locke was in LA for many days. So has does he arrive at the hospital at the same time as Sun after Desmond runs him over?
Would love if anyone could explain. Thanks.

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I have a hard time believing that Jacob has always been so squeeky clean. Now I genuinely believe that Jacob is good, and it feels like he’s been set up as a Saint like figure or angel or perhaps even a version of God, but I think his backstory with MIB will reveal something else. So I have a few ideas:

Perhaps MIB and Jacob did used to be just men, but they became the way they were because of something that happened on the island. Now we have seen that the island has the potential for time travel and even has a ‘healing pool’ at the temple. Perhaps though there is a place on the island though that could bestow you with the ultimate of gifts; to become God. To have the powers of the Gods. Or at least great powers beyond out immagination.

supposing Jacob and MIB came to the island just like everybody else. And perhaps they learned from the cultures that had been there before them that all kind of wonders lay on the island, but there were warnings about messing with the islands potential. Now supposing MIB did used to be a man, and maybe he lost someone he loved. Now maybe in his grief Jacob persuaded him to try and obtain the power to bring this person back. But maybe Jacob was only acting in his own self interest. Maybe there was a place on the island that promised great power, but also a great curse. Perhaps Jacob set up MIB unintentionally, maybe they turned a wheel like at the orchid and MIB got hit by the curse and Jacob got hit by the God powers. Now for some reason the evil cannot trump the good, it’s at it’s mercy. So MIB is taken over by evil, loses his humanity and maybe even his body. He is a formless soul. Maybe Jacob realises the dangers of this, that evil wishes to spread. Maybe it infects the rest of their ‘tribe’ maybe Jacob has to kill them. Jacob resolves there and then that the power he wanted has come with the responsibility that evil must be kept in it’s prison. The island is it’s prison and Jacob is it’s master that it cannot kill. Maybe MIB wants to escape the island and infect everyone as a sort of revenge to Jacob, so that everyone is as empty as him and all the good goes from the world. Maybe Jacob realises that the only way to blot out evil is show it that the human heart is good, and if he can get MIB to see this then he can wipe it out forever.

However Jacob realises that one day MIB is going to find a way to kill him. He’s going to find a loop and a willing acomplice. So he begins to weave his own plan, so that it’s clear that Jacob can choose another to take his place. His never ending list of candidates. But supposing Jacob is weaving a tapestry that will take even longer to play out than MIB’s loop. MIB used time travel to secure him Lockes form, but maybe thats exactly what Jacob wants him to do, he wants him to take Lockes form specifically because John was such a man of faith and good and who believed. Then Jacob knew the incident would open up a tangent universe where Locke and his goodness still existed and that somone like Desmond and someone like Jack could then bridge the two timelines and what we find is Lockes consciousness being reborn in MIB’s body. I think the candidate is the person who will show pure faith in Jacob and I think it is Jack. I think Jack will be responisble for Locke being reborn inside MIB, and as such MIB will become trapped inside John. Locke will become the cork; he is both the new Jacob (protector of the island) and evil incarnate. They will be the one form at last. trapped in the one body.

I think this was Jacobs plan all along. I think he was a man who got curious about the island and let out the darkness by accident. I then think he spent the rest of his life trying to find a way to put things right. Not a saint or a God, just a man who had to redeem himself.

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What happened to the island in the alt timeline is a big question for me, we see it at the bottom of the ocean, but we also know that Ben and his dad still went there so it was fine say at least 30 years ago.
Any ideas on what caused it to sink? We did see a massive tsunami like wave land the black rock, and of course maybe jughead played a part.

Maybe in the alt timeline someone else caused there very own incident.

But more importantly, what were the consequences for Jacob & MIB in the sunken island alt timeline?

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Jacob seems to make a lot of promises to the Losties that have since gone unfulfilled….or have they? Ok, so Richard has asked to live forever, and that seems to be going really well for him, doesn’t it?? But apart from that, we saw Sayid being told he could be reunited with the woman he loves. What if Jacob grants him this wish, but not on original timeline, only in ATL? A friend of mine has speculated that maybe it is not Nadia that Sayid is wishing for but Shannon, who is surely due to make an appearance soon? Could this appearance be in the shape of love with Sayid in the ATL?

Dogen also made a bargain with Jacob, and we see that he is with his son, who is alive and well, in the ATL. Perhaps Desmond has made a similar deal with Jacob and thus accepted his on-island fate now that he knows he can be happy with Penny in the ATL.

Thoughts?

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Jacob good? Jacob Evil? What is my perception of good and evil?

I think there is more to this than what we base our perceptions of good and evil on. “We are the good guys” is claimed by Ben. Yet, Ben has murdered and manipulated in ways that are certainly not ‘good’.

I think that the difference between white and black, good and evil lies in natural order. Eg. The natural flow of time, that whatever happens happens.

Altering the past / future is not good. By changing fate, we change the outcomes of natural order.

Jacob mentions the island is the cork in the bottle. Yet the cork is holding in the properties that the island has, which in turn defy natural order. Whether the product of the island’s magnetic properties or something else, the very existence of the island defies natural law. Is this evil? Is Jacob protecting the world from the island? From the opportunities to corrupt the timeline that it provides?

Jacob’s resolution is to let people decide outcomes for themselves. Good?

MIB wants to escape the island, he does not care that if he leaves, horrible things will happen. In turn he is evil due to his choices to manipulate others into changing the timeline. MIB seems intent on pushing people into certain choices, that create chaos and wrongness. Evil?

This leads me to questions about MIB. Is he really the ultimate evil that the island is keeping imprisoned? Although MIB has certainly done his fair share of manipulation in order to change things around, I don’t believe it is the MIB that is being trapped. This is more of a side effect of keeping the island isolated. Yet he has the ability to unleash chaos if he leaves.

Finally, I had this very strange idea that MIB is actually John Locke. Why? Because he tells everyone he is, he behaves like Locke in certain ways, Desmond addresses him as John Locke, Illana says he is stuck like that, John drew the smoke monster when he was young. What if at the endgame, FST John goes willingly into the OT past as a self sacrifice to become MIB? A few thousand years on the island eventually wears him down and he goes loopy, wants to leave, even knowing that if he does, something terrible is going to happen.

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This is just a quick theory on how and why the jughead detonation (or not being detonated) “caused” the flash-sideways we are seeing (let me know what you think):

What we are seeing now are 2 scenarios playing out:

1) Jughead was detonated (Island Time Loop)
2) Jughead was not detonated (Flash-Sideways)

Island Time Loop (chronological in Lost Time):
1) Losties Crash
2) Losties travel back in time
3) Losties detonate Jughead which neutralizes EM energy
4) Swan is built to keep EM energy at bay
5) Desmond comes to Island and doesn’t push button
6) Losties Crash – Repeat

Now, by detonating Jughead they created a timeline where Jughead never was detonated:

Flash-Sideways (chronological in real time):
1) Jughead not detonated and Radzinsky’s hole is not neutralized and slowly sucks entire Island underwater
2) Ben/Roger leave Island, Pierre Chang/Miles leave Island together, Jacob doesn’t touch Losties
2) Swan station not built (Desmond doesn’t go to Island)
3) Losties don’t crash
4) Losties don’t travel in time
5) Losties don’t detonate Jughead
6) Losties don’t join Dharma
7) Sayid does not shoot Ben

On a side note, part of me feels that the Flash-Sideways is the Real World that is being protected by the actions taken on the Island. This is why Widmore murders people from Ajira and says he didn’t “kill” them because they are really still alive in the real timeline (the flash sideways). This is also why Jacob doesn’t worry about what happens to people because they are still living their real lives in the “flash sideways”. The smoke monster is trying to jump from the Island to the real timeline (flash sideways) which will destroy “real life” for everyone. This can also explain why people can travel through time and talk to the dead, etc on The Island or even off the Island in Island Time – this is not the “real world”, the flash sideways is the real world where things like this can’t happen. And this doesn’t diminish what we have seen of their Island Time Lives because these lives have an effect on the Flash Sideways Lives of the people so it all matters overall.

Thanks for reading. Fire away…

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