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Jacob is Bad… A Recession Proof Economy…Post#108…

Sorry, I felt challenged by IamJacobs remark in the last post…so…

Searching through websites, I have come to see that wikipedia gives the same explanation as many, so I will use it for easy example due to an accumulated amount of info that can be found on the page regarding what an economist is and does…Here is the link…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist

This is the basic explanation from the beginning of the page…
“An economist is an expert in the social science of economics. The individual may also study, develop, and apply theories and concepts from economics and write about economic policy. Within this field there are many sub-fields, ranging from the broad philosophical theories to the focused study of minutiae within specific markets, macroeconomic analysis, microeconomic analysis or financial statement analysis, involving analytical methods and tools such as econometrics, statistics, economics computational models, financial economics, mathematical finance and mathematical economics.”.

Do you notice the stress to the relationship to fields involving numbers, analysis, mathematics.

In the episode, the Economist…when Sayid was off island and helping Ben, he was killing what he believed to be Widmores men. They may have very well been…but i dont think Charles is the economist. I at least think he is not who Elsa’s employer was.

She said he contacted her only once or twice a year. Making him not very active, but shows that he is around sometimes.

This isnt the most sturdy theory, but a possibiity in my mind.

As far as we know, Jacob only visited 2 people after the O6 arrived home from the island. Sayid, and Hurley.

Sayid just before Nadia was run down by one of the men Ben had Sayid kill…and Hurley, to get him to return to the island with the ankh and the contents inside containg the names of the candidates.

Now think back to when Sawyer and Flocke were in the cave with the names and numbers. Sawyer asked what the deal was with it, and Flocke said Jacob has a thing for numbers.

You will notice from the explanation of ‘economist’ above that it has a great deal to do with statistics and numbers in general.
Jacob chose these people, and they have been narrowed down from the long list of others on the ceiling and wheel. Jacob knew they would be, and partially ensured it by touching certain people, in my mind guaranteeing their presence in the on island timeline, and protecting them from self destruction.

NOW…we know that Jacob touched Richard and he cant kill himself. And we have seen Jack twice in situations of suicide, and neither successful…once on the bridge…and once with the dynamite…btw…It bothers me what the significance of the woman he saved on the bridge, and more importantly her son were to Jack…there just seemed to be something there.

Either way, it seems apparant that Jacobs touch does protect them from self inflicted death, if not death all together…which leads me to where Ben was asking what was going to happen when the island was done with them…was it the island? Or was it Jacob?

Jacob protects Ilana and cures her up until she and Hugo argue over blowing up the plane. She tells them they are all candidates, that she is there to protect them, that they have to stop MIB from getting on the plane…then she dies of an accidental, yet self inflicted explosion.
Im not sure if the island was done with her…or just Jacob was.

Christian also tells Michael he can go…just before the freighter explodes…eerily remembered in the episode with Ilana…and how funny that Michael appeared in this episode as well…more on that in a minute…It may make more sense…

Jacob seems to have a strange way of working. When Jack smashed up the mirror, he didnt just allow another way for the “Wallace” to get to the island, he stopped the mirrors from being able to be used again. He also got Jack to change his tune from an angry, grudge holding man…into a nostalgic, season one Jack (hes really almost more like season one Locke). He believes in the island, the same way Locke did. And after MIB explained why he picked John Locke, because he was stupid, pathetic, and had faith in the island…Jack seems to carry the very same qualities at this exact point in the show.

Lets for a minute think about some things that happened. We know that the man in black cannot get off the island, and most likely has not been off the island in the losties lives pre season 6 at least. We also know that Jacob has.

Now lets think about what was said by Jacob and MIB regarding his wife. MIB said Jacob took her. He also said he saw him take her, but could not stop him.

Once Richard went to see Jacob, and they got to talking…Jacob said “That wasnt your wife”.

Maybe Jacob and MIB were both not lying. Maybe it wasnt his wife, and maybe Jacob was using her image to trick Richard into doing what he wants. He never said it wasnt him…he just said it isnt your wife. Im not sure that is right…Im just trying to figure out the appearance of Richards wife…

Sooo…what if Jacob is using the souls of the dead, or the form of the dead to trick people into doing things that he wants…what if none of it was MIB after all? MIB never said it was him, it is only known that he takes the form of the dead, not that he controls them after their death…

When Jacob and Richard had their conversation, Richard made Jacob understand that if he didnt interfere with choices that were made by certain characters, than the Man In Black would.
SO maybe his off island antics were nothing more than his interference.
He wont do anything directly, so he goes off island and changes the character of a person before they arrive. He gives them understanding that they wouldnt have had without him, and allows them to see the light in the future.

Think about when we saw Kate have her dream…when Jack saw Christian…or more importantly…when Sayid lost Nadia, and then Elsa in season 4, specifically “The Economist”.
Jacob was possibly off the island the entire time the 06 was. He may be the man that the man running down Nadia was working for, AND who Elsa was talking to…her employer, The Economist.

Ben may have been killing not only Widmores men using Sayid, but Jacobs men as well…
“What about me?”
“What about you?”
Maybe the what about you has to do with Ben sending Sayid on a rampage to kill some of his men…men who were supposed to make sure that the people who were supposed to be on the island, got there…so he brings in Ilana to help him with getting Sayid on the plane, and it gets her there herself in the process…she lasted just long enough to get the candidates where they needed to be…Then her work was done…and she could now “go”…

Could it be that Jacob really does, as MIB and more recently here Chief point out, that Jacob does indeed haunt people at their most vulnerable times (I am NOT saying that MIB does not do this as well)…

But appears quite possible that Jacobs off island vacation arrived in time to possibly ‘be’ whoever he wants, whenever he wants…or at least allow/govern the dead to perform these tasks…which is more plausible…Unless he is always off island…and there is more than one…

People commented that Pierre Chang and a few other seem to be out of continuity with their appearances. I think that its odd that Dogen appears the same age, and has a son about the age of when the accident could have possibly happened. Yet, he seems to be on the island for quite a bit before the Losties discovering him.

Have you ever had a dream that everyone looked like they did in other parts of their lives. Where everything comes together so perfect that it seems wrong…and you know it as its happening…yet you just cant seem to allow yourself to wake up yet, because you know once you do…it wont be there anymore…yeah…thats what I really think of the flash sideways…

and just for fun…since we are on the subject…

Although MIB wears black or dark, there is something in his appearance that Lost seems to focus on quite often that I dont think has been brought up. Although Jacob wears white, he has dark brown eyes, and although MIB wears dark, he has light blue eyes…

And just for fun…
from about.com…

Black (Ancient Egyptian name ‘kem’) was the color of the life-giving silt left by the Nile inundation, which gave rise to the Ancient Egyptian name for the country: ‘kemet’ — the black land. Black symbolized fertility, new life, and resurrection as seen through the yearly agricultural cycle. It was also the color of Osiris (‘the black one’), the resurrected god of the dead, and was considered the color of the underworld where the sun was said to regenerate every night. Black was often used on statues and coffins to invoke the process of regeneration ascribed to the god Osiris.

Although…

White (Ancient Egyptian name ‘hedj’) was the color of purity, sacredness, cleanliness, and simplicity. Tools, sacred objects, and even priest’s sandals were white for this reason. Sacred animals were also depicted as white. Clothing, which was often just undyed linen, was usually depicted as white.

With eyes and egypt, I had to throw the last two bits in just for a little MIB defense…in reality, I think Jacob may be the better of the two morally…but I’d probably be willing to stab either of them if they ever did any of the things to me that they did to anyone on Lost…

Sorry if this is crazy, I threw this together very quickly (without proofreading) with some thoughts I already had floating around…

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Abbot Enheduanna Schwarzschild

16 thoughts on “Jacob is Bad… A Recession Proof Economy…Post#108…

  1. To add to this…I would have liked to touch more on the timing and chances of Jacob being off island, and possibly the cause of Jack seeing Christian in the hospital.

    It doesnt make sense that its MIB…
    It doesnt make sense that its just Christian alone…

    What does make sense, is that Jacob is off island in at least the 3 year time period of the 06 being gone. Hurley sees Jacob, and Sayid are visited…Could it have been Jacob as Christian, or at least causing Jack to see him one way or the other?

  2. i cant make up my dam mind. one day i am leaning towards jacob being somewhat good then the next i think he is totallly evil or wrong. whichever it is i hope we find out soon.

  3. Oh, so it’s a good post afterall. In fact, there’s some chilling statements in this. The thought of Jacob having people working for his agenda off island is something I never really think about. Ilana obviously did, so why couldn’t others as well? Excellent thoughts, and ones to ponder.

  4. I know some people want to say its MIB…but wouldn’t he be off the island…twice? Doesn’t make sense…had to be Jacob…

    So…what would this mean?
    Would it make Jacob actually ‘bad’?
    Or would it just be some off island “stepping in” to even the odds against evil?

    Either way, the more I think about it…wouldn’t Jacobs earliest visit we see off island be with Sawyer in 1976?

    He may have known what was coming with Jugghead, and due to Sawyer being the first one of the Losties introduced to the others/Richard a few years earlier went to see him first.

    The exception being Locke, who we all know was visited by Alpert a couple of times…at birth, and to conduct tests.

    Which BTW….did everyone get that the vile from the test is the same as the one containing the medicine that Richard killed the doctor for?

  5. A bit presumptuous on the “medicine” comment…

    One is narrow at the top with a different variant of cork…my apologies…damn, thought I had one there…

  6. AES – did you read my post – Why Jughead Caused the Flashsideways? I’d be interested in your opinion as I really enjoy your posts.

    I think Jacob is protecting the “real” timeline which is the flash sideways and the whole point of the show has been to protect this. Jacob killing people (or letting them go) is not evil because they are just done in the Island Time and can “go back” to their real life in the flash sideways.

  7. A.E.S, very quick responses on your part 🙂 and a very good theory.

    while reading this something (not directly on topic) popped into my head.

    we know candidates can’t kill themselves or kill each other. MIB and Jacob also can’t kill each other directly either. it seems like someone or something is pulling the strings waaaay above Jacob and MIB and they both have been attached to the island too, just like Jacob has done to the losties.

    maybe Jacob wanted to die after being trapped for so long or maybe his time was up too; his task was complete just like Ilana’s or Michael’s etc.

    there is so much more to the Jacob/MIB story than what we already know. personally i dont believe all this candidate rubbish, i mean who was protecting the island when Jacob was off it??? why wasn’t a candidate chosen and in place before Jacob died?

    no, until we actually find out what the hell is going on, i dont believe or trust a word that anyone says anymore, which is slightly annoying considering we have only 4 episodes left. id have thought that by now 90 percent of the jigsaw pieces would be in place so the writers could get on with telling the story instead of it still being so open ended.

  8. I really think we can believe the explanations about:

    1) The Whispers (lost souls)
    2) The Numbers (candidates)
    3) The Island (cork)
    4) The Others (Richard’s group)
    5) How the statue got destroyed (the Black Rock)
    6) Where Richard came from (the Black Rock) and why he doesn’t age (Jacob)
    7) The Smoke Monster (some trapped evil guy)
    8) The polar bear (DHARMA)
    9) The Hatch (swan station to stop EM energy from sucking Island down)
    10) Ghosts of dead people (smoke monster imitating people)
    11) How Jacob could watch people (Lighthouse)
    12) How Richard knew about John Locke as a kid (Locke told him while time travelling)

    So many answers to so many questions we have had throughout the years!

  9. Thanks for the comments Iam and doublewide…

    Doublewide, I did read your theory today. I started to comment, but am stuck on a thought…I will comment tonight…a very good theory though, correct or not…

    Also, on whats ‘real’…thats kind of where I am stuck on a comment in your theory. I like the other stuff you present, but Ive been calling bluff on the fsw being real since before the season began…technically, I guess I called both off island timelines not real…
    The best option I can go with on that is that they are both real…there is no way at this point that I think one is more than the other as long as they possess memories from both, which is where this seems to be headed…

    I dont like to call them real, because by doing so, you have to apply that one of them is not…

    If Jacks son was ever real, could he be erased by the FSW being erased…seems ridiculous…unless that somehow constitutes how people end up either trapped on the island as a spirit…or end up like MIB…

    How could Jacob take his body, by creating a FSW and killing his mother in it before she has him…Ok…thats kind of nuts…

    The same goes the other way though. What would come of Aaron?
    I know he still exists, but in the FSW he was raised for three years by Kate…He was on the island, but now he is off…can he “flash” as well?
    Is that what could make him and Walt special in the end…because they can “flash”, but they are both off island?

    An Other asks Michael if Walt ever shows up where he doesnt belong…that has to play some role in the end…

    Sorry, a little off topic, but you got me thinking here…
    Like I said, Im not sure Im fully on board for the simple reason of what is ‘real’…but you present great thoughts…

    Oh…and you are welcome to post answers ANYTIME on one of my posts like you did…its a great way to promote the fact that we are getting answers…
    I am not 100% on everything…but its a great step in the right direction…great comments doublewide, Ill get onto your post this evening…thanks again…

  10. IAMJACOB…I had a few thoughts already, and you gave me the perfect opportunity to improvise along the way with your comment in the post below…

    First, I can see you comments about Jacob wanting to die materializing into some sort of twist that he was a candidate chosen by someone else…it’d be funny if it was MIB, lol…

    But I really do think that Jacob is the man in charge, but there HAS to be something involving MIB losing his body…Good thoughts there…something to chew on…
    Then I think about Johns early question to Ben…Who does Jacob answer to…yes, yes, good post indeed…

    I think the candidate BS may be a red herring in a way for sure…but I think Jacob wanted to die so that he could actually make sure that the candidate does the right thing.
    In death, Jacob was freed in a way. So…if the island moved through time again…would Jacob too…?

    If the answer is yes…than it could possibly mean that the visits from Jacob occur in Jacobs future, but the losties past…?

    Im sorry…Im just getting ridiculous with some of these things now…I have to get back on track…

    Good comment IAMJACOB, I have to agree with you to a point on answers, but doublewide shows they are giving some…but as you state, the carpet beneath the entire show could be pulled out from under us in the next five hours…so who the hell do you believe?

  11. Alright, I heard from AES, now Chief, what do you think? Did Jughead cause the Flash Sideways??

    AES – I agree that Jacob seems to have a master plan and is not giving up his power but simply doing what has to be done.

    Do you think Jacob wants Smokie dead? I would think somewhere along the line he could have been killed but it seems more important to have him trapped? Is it that th world needs some evil but in small doses from an Island? Would a world without Smokie be just as bad?

  12. AES, this provides the most plausible explanation for the appearance of Christian off Island IMO. Having Smokey be the cause of that appearance doesn’t make sense if he is a prisoner on the Island.

    You recently replayed your “Touched by an Angle” theory and back then I questioned you about Jacob’s methods proving Smokey’s point. With this theory how do you feel about that question now?

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