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		<title>By: fresnele</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.E.S.

I think we&#039;re on very similar thought paths on this..... the dead bodies of Christian and Locke will definitely be revealing to the whole plot line...</description>
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<p>I think we&#8217;re on very similar thought paths on this&#8230;.. the dead bodies of Christian and Locke will definitely be revealing to the whole plot line&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.E.S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32689</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fresnele...&quot; Christianâ€™s lifeless body was recognised by Jack in Sidney, but that doesnâ€™t mean it ever arrived to the islandâ€¦. From our experience in LOST, unless we see it on screen, you can never be sure it happened! &quot;

Ive had a theory for a while that the casket Jack smashed up on the island in season one is actually the one from the &quot;alt&quot; 2004 timeline this season.
Meaning it flashed from the plane in the alt timeline to the island in the original season one timeline.

I have also posted a thought saying that Christian Shephard is actually the monster.

I wrote a theory today that could possibly explain all of this, at least a little...

I was waiting for the normal end of the week wave to come in...but its a little behind...Ill post it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fresnele&#8230;&#8221; Christianâ€™s lifeless body was recognised by Jack in Sidney, but that doesnâ€™t mean it ever arrived to the islandâ€¦. From our experience in LOST, unless we see it on screen, you can never be sure it happened! &#8221;</p>
<p>Ive had a theory for a while that the casket Jack smashed up on the island in season one is actually the one from the &#8220;alt&#8221; 2004 timeline this season.<br />
Meaning it flashed from the plane in the alt timeline to the island in the original season one timeline.</p>
<p>I have also posted a thought saying that Christian Shephard is actually the monster.</p>
<p>I wrote a theory today that could possibly explain all of this, at least a little&#8230;</p>
<p>I was waiting for the normal end of the week wave to come in&#8230;but its a little behind&#8230;Ill post it now.</p>
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		<title>By: fresnele</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32679</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True LostAddict, I don&#039;t think anybody is doubting that Christian&#039;s human form died in Sidney - just like Locke&#039;s human form died in LA.... wow, here&#039;s a thought that just came as I was writing this: is it possible that Christian was told by someone related to the island (Smokey??? Jacob????) to go to Sidney and die in order to &quot;save the island&quot;, just like Locke was told to die in LA???? And isn&#039;t it funny how on both counts, Jack was responsible for bringing the body to the island (unknowingly with Christian, intentionally with Locke)....??? 

Ok, now to what I was really getting to: Christian&#039;s lifeless body was recognised by Jack in Sidney, but that doesn&#039;t mean it ever arrived to the island.... From our experience in LOST, unless we see it on screen, you can never be sure it happened! :-)

LOL, I&#039;m ri`pping my own theories in one short post! LOL

I think I kinda like my thought on Jack bringing both dead bodies to the island, and Christian going to Sidney to die for the island just like Locke went to LA....!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True LostAddict, I don&#8217;t think anybody is doubting that Christian&#8217;s human form died in Sidney &#8211; just like Locke&#8217;s human form died in LA&#8230;. wow, here&#8217;s a thought that just came as I was writing this: is it possible that Christian was told by someone related to the island (Smokey??? Jacob????) to go to Sidney and die in order to &#8220;save the island&#8221;, just like Locke was told to die in LA???? And isn&#8217;t it funny how on both counts, Jack was responsible for bringing the body to the island (unknowingly with Christian, intentionally with Locke)&#8230;.??? </p>
<p>Ok, now to what I was really getting to: Christian&#8217;s lifeless body was recognised by Jack in Sidney, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it ever arrived to the island&#8230;. From our experience in LOST, unless we see it on screen, you can never be sure it happened! <img src='http://www.theoriesonlost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>LOL, I&#8217;m ri`pping my own theories in one short post! LOL</p>
<p>I think I kinda like my thought on Jack bringing both dead bodies to the island, and Christian going to Sidney to die for the island just like Locke went to LA&#8230;.!!</p>
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		<title>By: LostAddict</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32657</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have seen Christians body, we saw Jack identify it in the mortuary in season 1! So a dead body of Christian does exist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have seen Christians body, we saw Jack identify it in the mortuary in season 1! So a dead body of Christian does exist!</p>
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		<title>By: A.E.S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32652</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 03:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for my thoughts on Christian, I have not written a theory on it because I dont have my facts in order yet...but here is the jist...

From what we learned from John Locke in the premier of this season is that the body is not always where the soul is.

I believe that MIB has an ability to retain the physical forms of people, while Jacob has the ability to retain the souls...thats not to say MIB wouldnt get memories and whatnot, but he isnt John Locke...he just looks like him and knows what was in his brain... KNowing about a person and looking like a person doesnt make you that person.

The distinction between  the soul materializing and the physical body is going to end up being 2 very different things. 

With that distinction in mind, I think that is how we will learn different actions of Christian Shephard on and off the island.

They may both look like Christian, but they most likely are not both Christian.

One is actually MIB...the other...Jacob possibly, or at least the soul of Christian...but my money is on Jacob...it just makes sense.

I cant help but say I would rather be wrong than be right and have Christian serve both sides...there has to be more to the story though. With all the free will talk, it wouldnt be right for Christian to be used without having some sort of choice or decision made to help either Jacob or MIB.

I think about the appearances of Richards wife in Ab Aterno...something just seems off about her actions...and I still question what exactly went down when the monster, Richard, and Isabela were all at Black Rock upon its arrival...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for my thoughts on Christian, I have not written a theory on it because I dont have my facts in order yet&#8230;but here is the jist&#8230;</p>
<p>From what we learned from John Locke in the premier of this season is that the body is not always where the soul is.</p>
<p>I believe that MIB has an ability to retain the physical forms of people, while Jacob has the ability to retain the souls&#8230;thats not to say MIB wouldnt get memories and whatnot, but he isnt John Locke&#8230;he just looks like him and knows what was in his brain&#8230; KNowing about a person and looking like a person doesnt make you that person.</p>
<p>The distinction between  the soul materializing and the physical body is going to end up being 2 very different things. </p>
<p>With that distinction in mind, I think that is how we will learn different actions of Christian Shephard on and off the island.</p>
<p>They may both look like Christian, but they most likely are not both Christian.</p>
<p>One is actually MIB&#8230;the other&#8230;Jacob possibly, or at least the soul of Christian&#8230;but my money is on Jacob&#8230;it just makes sense.</p>
<p>I cant help but say I would rather be wrong than be right and have Christian serve both sides&#8230;there has to be more to the story though. With all the free will talk, it wouldnt be right for Christian to be used without having some sort of choice or decision made to help either Jacob or MIB.</p>
<p>I think about the appearances of Richards wife in Ab Aterno&#8230;something just seems off about her actions&#8230;and I still question what exactly went down when the monster, Richard, and Isabela were all at Black Rock upon its arrival&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.E.S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32651</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 03:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good observation fresenele...I did a little dissecting of that scene last year, and in the end after watching some coresponding episodes came to the conclusion that it was John Locke...unless of course you are correct and MIB was him the whole time...wouldnt make sense considering their many on screen performances together, many of which Locke seems out of touch with what the monster is...although I do believe that the first time the monster took him is the start of it all with him.

It begins there in my mind with Locke and the monster.
The monster read his thoughts, maybe showed him a beautiful life through the islands eye...maybe the alt world...
Locke had a connection from there, and I think THAT is where is smokey picture spawned from...a moment as a child reliving a past life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observation fresenele&#8230;I did a little dissecting of that scene last year, and in the end after watching some coresponding episodes came to the conclusion that it was John Locke&#8230;unless of course you are correct and MIB was him the whole time&#8230;wouldnt make sense considering their many on screen performances together, many of which Locke seems out of touch with what the monster is&#8230;although I do believe that the first time the monster took him is the start of it all with him.</p>
<p>It begins there in my mind with Locke and the monster.<br />
The monster read his thoughts, maybe showed him a beautiful life through the islands eye&#8230;maybe the alt world&#8230;<br />
Locke had a connection from there, and I think THAT is where is smokey picture spawned from&#8230;a moment as a child reliving a past life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fresnele</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/christians-body/#comment-32650</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s one thing that I was thinking about in relation to this post... I rewatched &quot;White Rabbit&quot; today and noticed something curious:

When Jack first spots Christian, he starts chasing him in broad daylight. We can hear Smokey-like sounds during this chase beyond any doubts (quite possibly confirming that in fact it WAS Skomey impersonating Christian at this time). Jack is so desperate to catch up that he trips and falls rolling down a hillside only to cling on to a loose root off the side of a cliff and remain there hanging. And then, out of the blue, when he is on the verge of plunging into the void and making &quot;mashed-jack&#039;t-potatoes&quot; with the rocks down below, Locke&#039;s hand suddenly appears from the cliff-top to save the day....

Really? Was he watching Jack trip and roll down? Was he chasing his erratic run-around in the jungle? Or perhaps, just perhaps, it was Smokey impersonating Locke THAT early in the show, but it was just impossible for us to imagine so at that point? Isn&#039;t it too big of a coincidence that Locke was just there? PLUS.... there we go again with Smokey (if it was Smokey as Locke) offering his hand to someone.... Everytime I watch that scene and take a look at Locke&#039;s face, he seems way too calm for the situation. Like he had everything in control and knew Jack would be ok. 

Then again, Locke had that look maaaany many times early in the show - so is it possible, just possible, that perhaps the real John Locke actually died in the original 815 accident, and the Locke we&#039;ve seen from day 1 was Smokey all along?

I know this is a bit far-fetched and it doesn&#039;t fit in with Locke&#039;s lack of knowledge about the island at times. But hey, it would explain a ton of things: 

- Locke&#039;s ability to walk on the island
- His innate faith in the island
- His persistence to open the hatch (and get the ball rolling with the Losties)
- His knowledge of the island throughout the show
- His ability to survive in the island
- The fact that he talks about Smokey as &quot;bright light&quot; wherewas everyone else sees Black Smoke

... not to mention the weird mystery about his Black Smoke drawing when he was just a kid. Was that foresight of what he was to become, or was it a memory of past experience? In this show you can never tell..... 

Wow... my head really hurts now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s one thing that I was thinking about in relation to this post&#8230; I rewatched &#8220;White Rabbit&#8221; today and noticed something curious:</p>
<p>When Jack first spots Christian, he starts chasing him in broad daylight. We can hear Smokey-like sounds during this chase beyond any doubts (quite possibly confirming that in fact it WAS Skomey impersonating Christian at this time). Jack is so desperate to catch up that he trips and falls rolling down a hillside only to cling on to a loose root off the side of a cliff and remain there hanging. And then, out of the blue, when he is on the verge of plunging into the void and making &#8220;mashed-jack&#8217;t-potatoes&#8221; with the rocks down below, Locke&#8217;s hand suddenly appears from the cliff-top to save the day&#8230;.</p>
<p>Really? Was he watching Jack trip and roll down? Was he chasing his erratic run-around in the jungle? Or perhaps, just perhaps, it was Smokey impersonating Locke THAT early in the show, but it was just impossible for us to imagine so at that point? Isn&#8217;t it too big of a coincidence that Locke was just there? PLUS&#8230;. there we go again with Smokey (if it was Smokey as Locke) offering his hand to someone&#8230;. Everytime I watch that scene and take a look at Locke&#8217;s face, he seems way too calm for the situation. Like he had everything in control and knew Jack would be ok. </p>
<p>Then again, Locke had that look maaaany many times early in the show &#8211; so is it possible, just possible, that perhaps the real John Locke actually died in the original 815 accident, and the Locke we&#8217;ve seen from day 1 was Smokey all along?</p>
<p>I know this is a bit far-fetched and it doesn&#8217;t fit in with Locke&#8217;s lack of knowledge about the island at times. But hey, it would explain a ton of things: </p>
<p>- Locke&#8217;s ability to walk on the island<br />
- His innate faith in the island<br />
- His persistence to open the hatch (and get the ball rolling with the Losties)<br />
- His knowledge of the island throughout the show<br />
- His ability to survive in the island<br />
- The fact that he talks about Smokey as &#8220;bright light&#8221; wherewas everyone else sees Black Smoke</p>
<p>&#8230; not to mention the weird mystery about his Black Smoke drawing when he was just a kid. Was that foresight of what he was to become, or was it a memory of past experience? In this show you can never tell&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Wow&#8230; my head really hurts now&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: elsewhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and hasBen, I also often think of Sawyer&#039;s body! How can you not? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and hasBen, I also often think of Sawyer&#8217;s body! How can you not? <img src='http://www.theoriesonlost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: elsewhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsewhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Its very reminiscent of Jacobs not wanting to step in.&quot; Exactly AES... 

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don&#039;t. lol! So, do tell AES! Like to see if we could possibly be on the same page with our nuttiness!

...please don&#039;t say it was the drugs, please don&#039;t say it was the drugs... lol!

Thank you Chief... Well, Hurley also knows that Jack was chasing his dead father, but that&#039;s only because Jack told him, like yesterday... But yes, as far as we know Locke is the only one who knew... And, some of the most iconic lines came from the episode &quot;The White Rabbit,&quot; and I believe it&#039;s one of the most pertinent episodes to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its very reminiscent of Jacobs not wanting to step in.&#8221; Exactly AES&#8230; </p>
<p>Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don&#8217;t. lol! So, do tell AES! Like to see if we could possibly be on the same page with our nuttiness!</p>
<p>&#8230;please don&#8217;t say it was the drugs, please don&#8217;t say it was the drugs&#8230; lol!</p>
<p>Thank you Chief&#8230; Well, Hurley also knows that Jack was chasing his dead father, but that&#8217;s only because Jack told him, like yesterday&#8230; But yes, as far as we know Locke is the only one who knew&#8230; And, some of the most iconic lines came from the episode &#8220;The White Rabbit,&#8221; and I believe it&#8217;s one of the most pertinent episodes to date.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiefof16</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AES - Very true about Hanso. you make a good point. I just thought there would be more to the Hanso&#039;s since there are more than one of them involved throughout the island&#039;s history. Can&#039;t wait to hear your thoughts on what happened in the hospital with Jack and his dad.

elsewhere - What an excellent observation. John was the only person Jack talked to about seeing something he shouldn&#039;t have seen. When Locke asks him &quot;What if this island wasn&#039;t an island?&quot; That&#039;s when a lot of people really got sucked into the lore of the island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AES &#8211; Very true about Hanso. you make a good point. I just thought there would be more to the Hanso&#8217;s since there are more than one of them involved throughout the island&#8217;s history. Can&#8217;t wait to hear your thoughts on what happened in the hospital with Jack and his dad.</p>
<p>elsewhere &#8211; What an excellent observation. John was the only person Jack talked to about seeing something he shouldn&#8217;t have seen. When Locke asks him &#8220;What if this island wasn&#8217;t an island?&#8221; That&#8217;s when a lot of people really got sucked into the lore of the island.</p>
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