Comments on: Nemesis ‘tips his hand’ http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31803 dabiatchishere Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:02:42 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31803 Odette, I can't offer a response to you on behalf of stone's thoughts. Ms. Hawking hasn't stated that she is opposed to what Desmond is doing. She tells him that it is too soon to proceed. I'm not sure what her and Widmore's plans actually are regarding Desmond. As for Widmore and Hawking losing Daniel on 'the island', it is difficult to know where they stand on that issue, as they were both responsible for sending Daniel there in the first place, knowing they were both sacrificing their son, willilngly. This is one area, that I still find somewhat puzzling. Odette, I can’t offer a response to you on behalf of stone’s thoughts.

Ms. Hawking hasn’t stated that she is opposed to what Desmond is doing. She tells him that it is too soon to proceed. I’m not sure what her and Widmore’s plans actually are regarding Desmond.

As for Widmore and Hawking losing Daniel on ‘the island’, it is difficult to know where they stand on that issue, as they were both responsible for sending Daniel there in the first place, knowing they were both sacrificing their son, willilngly. This is one area, that I still find somewhat puzzling.

]]> By: Odette http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31799 Odette Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:46:48 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31799 @Stone: You said that you thought that Eloise was not on Nemesis' side, but wouldn't sending the candidates back to the island help Nemesis, since he needs them in order to leave? I am wondering if Eloise's meddling in time is what caused the rift with Charles in the first timeline. He seemed as if he was rather upset to have lost a son on the island, as he so nicely explained to Desmond before locking him in a box and electro-magnetizing him! Maybe that is why he has been desperate to get back to the island--so he can try to change the path of time, and if so, I wonder why Eloise would be opposed to that? Maybe the only universe that has Daniel living is the one with her as the host of the party, but she cannot make the Charles of the other universe understand it. Or maybe she can now.... @Stone:

You said that you thought that Eloise was not on Nemesis’ side, but wouldn’t sending the candidates back to the island help Nemesis, since he needs them in order to leave? I am wondering if Eloise’s meddling in time is what caused the rift with Charles in the first timeline. He seemed as if he was rather upset to have lost a son on the island, as he so nicely explained to Desmond before locking him in a box and electro-magnetizing him! Maybe that is why he has been desperate to get back to the island–so he can try to change the path of time, and if so, I wonder why Eloise would be opposed to that? Maybe the only universe that has Daniel living is the one with her as the host of the party, but she cannot make the Charles of the other universe understand it. Or maybe she can now….

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31715 dabiatchishere Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:06:41 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31715 Hi AES, I am wondering if getting Sun to go along with Nemesis is entirely out of the question, seeing as Widmore definitely has Jin's understanding and cooperation. However, Nemesis has lied to Claire, so it isn't out of the question, that he would also lie to Sun. He might tell her that Jin is in trouble or something along those lines. As for Desmond, he wants the Manifest because he now believes what Charlie showed him and what Daniel shared with him. He has 'seen a glimpse', as Charlie put it. While they all seem to be living the life they would want, it appears that all is not well in paradise. They would trade it for love. If Desmond can get the Flight Manifest than he can attempt to make the other 'losties' aware and jog their conscious memories. I have no guesses as to how Desmond might bring it all together in the end. Having the 'edge' of being conscious of both realities will help him to succeed. This is why he is so cooperative with Sayid. He's a man on a mission now! Thanks for your input and comment! Tonight's episode was awesome! Hi AES, I am wondering if getting Sun to go along with Nemesis is entirely out of the question, seeing as Widmore definitely has Jin’s understanding and cooperation.

However, Nemesis has lied to Claire, so it isn’t out of the question, that he would also lie to Sun. He might tell her that Jin is in trouble or something along those lines.

As for Desmond, he wants the Manifest because he now believes what Charlie showed him and what Daniel shared with him. He has ‘seen a glimpse’, as Charlie put it. While they all seem to be living the life they would want, it appears that all is not well in paradise. They would trade it for love.

If Desmond can get the Flight Manifest than he can attempt to make the other ‘losties’ aware and jog their conscious memories.

I have no guesses as to how Desmond might bring it all together in the end. Having the ‘edge’ of being conscious of both realities will help him to succeed. This is why he is so cooperative with Sayid. He’s a man on a mission now!

Thanks for your input and comment!

Tonight’s episode was awesome!

]]> By: A.E.S. http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31714 A.E.S. Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:56:19 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31714 Dabsi...Great post. A lot to think about. Good thinking on the candidates. Now for a bunched of jumbled thoughts... I was thinking about how he could get Sun, and maybe its as simple as using the fatc that Widmore has Jin...or maybe now using Sayid to get Jin back, and taking Jin to Sun this time...hmm... The comments by everyone were great. Clairespeanutbutter...wow...good thinking. Maybe He just has to get to where the island sunk...if he finds the manifest, he can find someinformation about the flight path, and learn the islands location. And if he can get to where the island should be, and the island is moved again...than possibly with the right movement of the wheel, have it pop up over the sunken island, looking similar to the comic book the Walt was reading with one city floating over another one... Thats kind of nuts...second option... He gathers up all the important members of team Losties, and proceeds to either the new island...not likely...or to Faradays "lab"...or maybe studio/Widmore labs/Ann Arbor/The Lampost...who knows. Using Faradays crazy new intelligence, they conscious travel to the island...but when...? I say 2004...press the reset button...or maybe dont press it...hmmm.... Sorry, posting entirely without thought, just adrenaline off tonights great episode... And one more thing...damn it was good to see "our" Charlie!!! Good post Dabsi...and good comments by everyone else! Dabsi…Great post. A lot to think about. Good thinking on the candidates.

Now for a bunched of jumbled thoughts…

I was thinking about how he could get Sun, and maybe its as simple as using the fatc that Widmore has Jin…or maybe now using Sayid to get Jin back, and taking Jin to Sun this time…hmm…

The comments by everyone were great.
Clairespeanutbutter…wow…good thinking.

Maybe He just has to get to where the island sunk…if he finds the manifest, he can find someinformation about the flight path, and learn the islands location.
And if he can get to where the island should be, and the island is moved again…than possibly with the right movement of the wheel, have it pop up over the sunken island, looking similar to the comic book the Walt was reading with one city floating over another one…

Thats kind of nuts…second option…

He gathers up all the important members of team Losties, and proceeds to either the new island…not likely…or to Faradays “lab”…or maybe studio/Widmore labs/Ann Arbor/The Lampost…who knows.

Using Faradays crazy new intelligence, they conscious travel to the island…but when…?

I say 2004…press the reset button…or maybe dont press it…hmmm….

Sorry, posting entirely without thought, just adrenaline off tonights great episode…

And one more thing…damn it was good to see “our” Charlie!!!

Good post Dabsi…and good comments by everyone else!

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31709 dabiatchishere Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:16:23 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31709 ilie, it is quite difficult to place our thoughts into words, but I think you did an excellent job by using Dogen as an example. His story was about his son was so compelling, but his actions seemed to be otherwise. How can we possibly judge his actions when we don't know the end game? We all would like to think that we know what constitutes good and evil. Lost has shown us, that unless we possess all of the information, it is much more difficult to place a definitive label on the nature of good and evil. Our perceptions might be altered in the opposite direction, if we had all of the details. I suspect that this is exactly what might happen in the long run! Thanks for your input and comment! ilie, it is quite difficult to place our thoughts into words, but I think you did an excellent job by using Dogen as an example. His story was about his son was so compelling, but his actions seemed to be otherwise. How can we possibly judge his actions when we don’t know the end game?

We all would like to think that we know what constitutes good and evil. Lost has shown us, that unless we possess all of the information, it is much more difficult to place a definitive label on the nature of good and evil.

Our perceptions might be altered in the opposite direction, if we had all of the details. I suspect that this is exactly what might happen in the long run!

Thanks for your input and comment!

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31708 dabiatchishere Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:10:35 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31708 Clairespeanutbutter, I love your thoughts and reasoning behind why Nemesis needs the candidates, preferably alive in order to leave 'the island'. What you say about the alternate reality becoming the 'true' reality and the present reality 'ceasing' to exist is extremely valid. It is a logical conclusion to draw. Especially, after tonight's episode. Great thoughts, and thanks for your input! Clairespeanutbutter, I love your thoughts and reasoning behind why Nemesis needs the candidates, preferably alive in order to leave ‘the island’.

What you say about the alternate reality becoming the ‘true’ reality and the present reality ‘ceasing’ to exist is extremely valid. It is a logical conclusion to draw. Especially, after tonight’s episode.

Great thoughts, and thanks for your input!

]]> By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31706 ilieintheshadowofthestatue Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:33:09 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31706 For example, look at Dogen, a man who I find somewhat sympathetic but who has turned into someone who thinks it's ok to pass swift death sentences just because he deems someone to be potentially evil or alien. His judgement seems clouded. And not only his judgement, apparently also the viewer's judgement if he or she like me have thought that perhaps Dogen is doing the right thing anyway. The show could turn out to be an interesting comment to what is going on in the world. For example, look at Dogen, a man who I find somewhat sympathetic but who has turned into someone who thinks it’s ok to pass swift death sentences just because he deems someone to be potentially evil or alien.

His judgement seems clouded. And not only his judgement, apparently also the viewer’s judgement if he or she like me have thought that perhaps Dogen is doing the right thing anyway.

The show could turn out to be an interesting comment to what is going on in the world.

]]> By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31705 ilieintheshadowofthestatue Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:21:48 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31705 Dabs, I would love if Lost turns out to be about the perception of good and evil as you say rather than about good and evil. It would be a much fresher viewing point of things. I've been hoping it would be something like that but I haven't been able to put words on it myself. :) Dabs, I would love if Lost turns out to be about the perception of good and evil as you say rather than about good and evil. It would be a much fresher viewing point of things. I’ve been hoping it would be something like that but I haven’t been able to put words on it myself. :)

]]> By: Clairespeanutbutter http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31701 Clairespeanutbutter Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:29:12 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31701 Great post, thanks for sharing. I believe that Nemesis needs the 6 candidates alive to achieve his goal - almost as some sort of 'time constant' that exists between time points or realities and allows travel from one to the other (like what happened with the '06' that Hawking sent). In this case, I believe Nemesis is trying to get to the alternate reality, where the island does not exist, allowing him to 'escape'. By doing this, I believe it will become the 'true' reality, and the current true reality will 'cease to exist', like Widmore said. Great post, thanks for sharing. I believe that Nemesis needs the 6 candidates alive to achieve his goal – almost as some sort of ‘time constant’ that exists between time points or realities and allows travel from one to the other (like what happened with the ’06′ that Hawking sent). In this case, I believe Nemesis is trying to get to the alternate reality, where the island does not exist, allowing him to ‘escape’. By doing this, I believe it will become the ‘true’ reality, and the current true reality will ‘cease to exist’, like Widmore said.

]]> By: Sinster http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/nemesis-%e2%80%98tips-his-hand%e2%80%99/#comment-31692 Sinster Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:47:27 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12114#comment-31692 I really, really hope we learn nemsis' name soon... WTH... Great ideas dabs I really, really hope we learn nemsis’ name soon… WTH… Great ideas dabs

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