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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 05:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clairespeanutbutter, you may be interested in one of my earliest posts entitled &quot;Schrodinger&#039;s Island.&quot; I posted it a little while after the end of season 5 and it uses an interesting interpretation of quantum mechanics called Quantum Suicide. Just click on my screen name to go to my profile. It is towards the bottom of the second page of my post list. Let me know what you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clairespeanutbutter, you may be interested in one of my earliest posts entitled &#8220;Schrodinger&#8217;s Island.&#8221; I posted it a little while after the end of season 5 and it uses an interesting interpretation of quantum mechanics called Quantum Suicide. Just click on my screen name to go to my profile. It is towards the bottom of the second page of my post list. Let me know what you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clairespeanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clairespeanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great points, thanks Achalli. I can certainly envision an ending where both (or more) universes are in existance, and perhaps each character ends up in the universe that is the most fitting for him or her. 

But at this point I&#039;m still leaning towards one reality existing at the end. Part of my thought on this comes from the fact that the current alternate reality does not seem to be an independent reality, but rather tied very closely to the &#039;original&#039; reality. This leads me to believe that it was not always in existance and connected by the bomb, but brought about by the magnetic field being released when the bomb went off. I have a somewhat crazy idea that the moment the bomb went off and released the magnetic field from the island&#039;s core, the alternate reality was created in &#039;imaginary time&#039; (see obessedwlost latest post), and the conversion to that altenate reality occured at the speed of light. The explosion, being slower than the speed of light, therefore followed the flash into the alternate reality and sunk the island in the alternate reality. 

I do not think the realities will merge, though. I think as the imaginary time *alternate reality/universe* and real time *original reality/universe* move through real space, they will reach some sort of timepoint where only one can continue to exist. I have no logical basis for this, however. Still pondering....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great points, thanks Achalli. I can certainly envision an ending where both (or more) universes are in existance, and perhaps each character ends up in the universe that is the most fitting for him or her. </p>
<p>But at this point I&#8217;m still leaning towards one reality existing at the end. Part of my thought on this comes from the fact that the current alternate reality does not seem to be an independent reality, but rather tied very closely to the &#8216;original&#8217; reality. This leads me to believe that it was not always in existance and connected by the bomb, but brought about by the magnetic field being released when the bomb went off. I have a somewhat crazy idea that the moment the bomb went off and released the magnetic field from the island&#8217;s core, the alternate reality was created in &#8216;imaginary time&#8217; (see obessedwlost latest post), and the conversion to that altenate reality occured at the speed of light. The explosion, being slower than the speed of light, therefore followed the flash into the alternate reality and sunk the island in the alternate reality. </p>
<p>I do not think the realities will merge, though. I think as the imaginary time *alternate reality/universe* and real time *original reality/universe* move through real space, they will reach some sort of timepoint where only one can continue to exist. I have no logical basis for this, however. Still pondering&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peteb201, I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t reply to you sooner. Your comments got lost in the shuffle. You have some good thoughts and they make sense given the situation. Thanks for the input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peteb201, I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t reply to you sooner. Your comments got lost in the shuffle. You have some good thoughts and they make sense given the situation. Thanks for the input.</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/possibility-waves-revisited/#comment-31942</link>
		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clairespeanutbutter, I&#039;m glad you liked this. I agree with you that Smokey&#039;s destination may be the alt reality. Idisagree with you that only one will exist in the end.

I basically do not see a need to have only one universe (read reality where I use the word universe ). I&#039;m going against the grain with almost everyone on this thought. IMO the bomb didn&#039;t create the alt universe, just merely connected them. I do not yet see a credible need to have one win out over the other and merging the universes should actually be avoided.

I read a lot of science fiction and dealing with alternate universes isn&#039;t a far out idea to me. In the vast majority of alt universe stories that I have read merging two universes would certainly guarantee that both are destroyed, so it is a better idea to keep them separate.  But all of this is just my opinion on the subject. Lost may prove to be the exception.

Thank you for your comment and ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clairespeanutbutter, I&#8217;m glad you liked this. I agree with you that Smokey&#8217;s destination may be the alt reality. Idisagree with you that only one will exist in the end.</p>
<p>I basically do not see a need to have only one universe (read reality where I use the word universe ). I&#8217;m going against the grain with almost everyone on this thought. IMO the bomb didn&#8217;t create the alt universe, just merely connected them. I do not yet see a credible need to have one win out over the other and merging the universes should actually be avoided.</p>
<p>I read a lot of science fiction and dealing with alternate universes isn&#8217;t a far out idea to me. In the vast majority of alt universe stories that I have read merging two universes would certainly guarantee that both are destroyed, so it is a better idea to keep them separate.  But all of this is just my opinion on the subject. Lost may prove to be the exception.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment and ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elsewhere, I apologize for taking awhile to respond. I am familiar with wave function collapse. That is pretty much the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics and is what Shrodinger&#039;s Cat is all about. The cat is both dead and alive until some one opens the box to look. Quantum Suicide is basically the same thing from the POV of the cat. If you recall, all my posts about Quantum Suicide being an answer to Lost are all centered around these concepts.

This post utilizes a different interpretation called the Transactional Interpretation. Cramer, the scientist who first proposed it, does away with the need for an observer in this interpretation. In this view the waves sent back by one out of an infinite many number er of events needs to connect to a wave sent out from a past event in order for the wave function to collapse and become reality. The scientist Fred Allan Wolf took the concept a step further by proposing that our minds do this all the time. 

I&#039;ll address the question of which reality will exist in the end in my comment to Clairespeanutbutter. Their comment is similar to that portion of yours.

I&#039;ll put &quot;Quarantine&quot; on my reading list. It sounds very interesting. Who is the author?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elsewhere, I apologize for taking awhile to respond. I am familiar with wave function collapse. That is pretty much the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics and is what Shrodinger&#8217;s Cat is all about. The cat is both dead and alive until some one opens the box to look. Quantum Suicide is basically the same thing from the POV of the cat. If you recall, all my posts about Quantum Suicide being an answer to Lost are all centered around these concepts.</p>
<p>This post utilizes a different interpretation called the Transactional Interpretation. Cramer, the scientist who first proposed it, does away with the need for an observer in this interpretation. In this view the waves sent back by one out of an infinite many number er of events needs to connect to a wave sent out from a past event in order for the wave function to collapse and become reality. The scientist Fred Allan Wolf took the concept a step further by proposing that our minds do this all the time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address the question of which reality will exist in the end in my comment to Clairespeanutbutter. Their comment is similar to that portion of yours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put &#8220;Quarantine&#8221; on my reading list. It sounds very interesting. Who is the author?</p>
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		<title>By: peteb201</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 05:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think somewhere down the road, hurley died. Hence he can talk to the dead. I also think that Sun dies as well hence her two worlds merge which is why she is stuck speaking chinese again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think somewhere down the road, hurley died. Hence he can talk to the dead. I also think that Sun dies as well hence her two worlds merge which is why she is stuck speaking chinese again.</p>
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		<title>By: Clairespeanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clairespeanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 02:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post, thank you for sharing!
@ elsewhere: I am a big believer that only one of the realities will survive long-term (as stated by Widmore, &#039;...we will cease to exist&#039;).
I think the destination of Nemesis/MIB is the alternate reality, and he needs the candidates to get there. 
Perhaps along the lines of the logic in this post, the &#039;true&#039; reality will be in danger if Nemesis succeeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post, thank you for sharing!<br />
@ elsewhere: I am a big believer that only one of the realities will survive long-term (as stated by Widmore, &#8216;&#8230;we will cease to exist&#8217;).<br />
I think the destination of Nemesis/MIB is the alternate reality, and he needs the candidates to get there.<br />
Perhaps along the lines of the logic in this post, the &#8216;true&#8217; reality will be in danger if Nemesis succeeds.</p>
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		<title>By: elsewhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsewhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Achalli... I really think you have a hot one with this, especially after the last episode. Have you done any reading on wave function collapse? My understanding is that if you were able to â€œobserveâ€ both realities, then the wave function would collapse back into one single reality/universe.  

IMO, this would mean that one of the realities might cease to existâ€¦ I think this is exactly why Desmond needs to contact all of the 815&#039;ers... What he needs to show them is the other reality as Charlie allowed him to see it. Everyone from parallel/ALT 815 will have to consciously &quot;observe&quot; the original reality in-order for one of the realities to collapse.  And, Desmond who is now on the island would have to have everyone consciously â€œobserveâ€ the parallel/ALT realityâ€¦ This could be why Desmond went willingly with Sayidâ€¦ He needs to find everyone to show them, make them see what he already knows exists. 

ELOISE: Someone has clearly affected the way you see things. This is a serious problem. It is, in fact, a violation. So, whatever youâ€™re doing, whatever it is you think youâ€™re looking forâ€¦. You need to stop looking for it. 

The concept of wave function collapse is also the major plot line in the novel â€œQuarantine.â€ I guess I donâ€™t have to explain why I threw this inâ€¦ Well, anyway a bubble/quarantine is place around the universe to prevent the act of observingâ€¦ That is until it was discovered that it could be done through the conscious mindâ€¦ The conscious mind is then presented with a choice. Either suspend the wave function collapse or choose which state of the wave function that would collapse.

I&#039;m allergic to physics, so hopefully my understanding made a bit of sense? I know there are many views on the subject but, I really think this idea connects with what you laid out in your theoryâ€¦

As for Hurleyâ€™s abilities, I really like that idea... Charlie&#039;s statement, &quot;I am dead but I am also here,&quot; would take on a whole new meaning. 

Also, I think Isabella could have contacted Hurley from the parallel/ALT reality... She did tell Richard, through Hurley, that they were already together. So, I believe what she meant was in death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Achalli&#8230; I really think you have a hot one with this, especially after the last episode. Have you done any reading on wave function collapse? My understanding is that if you were able to â€œobserveâ€ both realities, then the wave function would collapse back into one single reality/universe.  </p>
<p>IMO, this would mean that one of the realities might cease to existâ€¦ I think this is exactly why Desmond needs to contact all of the 815&#8242;ers&#8230; What he needs to show them is the other reality as Charlie allowed him to see it. Everyone from parallel/ALT 815 will have to consciously &#8220;observe&#8221; the original reality in-order for one of the realities to collapse.  And, Desmond who is now on the island would have to have everyone consciously â€œobserveâ€ the parallel/ALT realityâ€¦ This could be why Desmond went willingly with Sayidâ€¦ He needs to find everyone to show them, make them see what he already knows exists. </p>
<p>ELOISE: Someone has clearly affected the way you see things. This is a serious problem. It is, in fact, a violation. So, whatever youâ€™re doing, whatever it is you think youâ€™re looking forâ€¦. You need to stop looking for it. </p>
<p>The concept of wave function collapse is also the major plot line in the novel â€œQuarantine.â€ I guess I donâ€™t have to explain why I threw this inâ€¦ Well, anyway a bubble/quarantine is place around the universe to prevent the act of observingâ€¦ That is until it was discovered that it could be done through the conscious mindâ€¦ The conscious mind is then presented with a choice. Either suspend the wave function collapse or choose which state of the wave function that would collapse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m allergic to physics, so hopefully my understanding made a bit of sense? I know there are many views on the subject but, I really think this idea connects with what you laid out in your theoryâ€¦</p>
<p>As for Hurleyâ€™s abilities, I really like that idea&#8230; Charlie&#8217;s statement, &#8220;I am dead but I am also here,&#8221; would take on a whole new meaning. </p>
<p>Also, I think Isabella could have contacted Hurley from the parallel/ALT reality&#8230; She did tell Richard, through Hurley, that they were already together. So, I believe what she meant was in death!</p>
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		<title>By: Achalli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good thought DrMrWizard. That is also consistent with many of the eastern religions and philosophy that has influenced Lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good thought DrMrWizard. That is also consistent with many of the eastern religions and philosophy that has influenced Lost.</p>
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		<title>By: peteb201</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 07:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought--

If both timelines can influence one another, wouldnt it make sense that if Hurley is talking to dead people,he may have died in the alt timeline. The same can be said about Sun, she can only speak chinese after she got shot. 

Like a said just a thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought&#8211;</p>
<p>If both timelines can influence one another, wouldnt it make sense that if Hurley is talking to dead people,he may have died in the alt timeline. The same can be said about Sun, she can only speak chinese after she got shot. </p>
<p>Like a said just a thought</p>
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