Comments on: The Dagger http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/ A place to write and read Lost Theories Thu, 17 May 2012 19:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: m0nini873 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32228 m0nini873 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 03:29:17 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32228 I dunno if anyone else said this already, but what if the reason Jacob still exists (in spirit form or little-boy form or whatever) is because Ben didn't use the "special dagger" to kill him? Maybe that's why Jacob didn't even fight Ben or attempt to get away and avoid his death - he probably knew he wouldn't REALLY die because Ben wasn't holding the correct weapon! Ha ha!! I dunno if anyone else said this already, but what if the reason Jacob still exists (in spirit form or little-boy form or whatever) is because Ben didn’t use the “special dagger” to kill him? Maybe that’s why Jacob didn’t even fight Ben or attempt to get away and avoid his death – he probably knew he wouldn’t REALLY die because Ben wasn’t holding the correct weapon! Ha ha!!

]]> By: waycurious http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32082 waycurious Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:07:56 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32082 Interesting thoughts, there ... but MIB wants to leave the island - apparently on the plane. Maybe Lapedius was part of *his* plan and (further stretching) it was thwarted when Lapedius *wasn't* on the 815 (which is why MIB was so angry/violent). After all, we have no idea everything MIB had to do for his loophole. Interesting thoughts, there … but MIB wants to leave the island – apparently on the plane. Maybe Lapedius was part of *his* plan and (further stretching) it was thwarted when Lapedius *wasn’t* on the 815 (which is why MIB was so angry/violent). After all, we have no idea everything MIB had to do for his loophole.

]]> By: hasBen http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32078 hasBen Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:46:51 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32078 Yes that is correct, I was thinking more along the lines though of people that piloted/captained transportation which brought people to the island, this also includes the freighter (and the nice captain of that ship died too!). And, the rules don't apply to Desmond, although him arriving to the island on the sail-boat was prior to him turning the fail-safe key which is what people have theorised as to when it began that the rules don't apply to him. But with time travel and what-not, maybe the rules have never applied to him, and I'm probably just talking out of my butt :) Yes that is correct, I was thinking more along the lines though of people that piloted/captained transportation which brought people to the island, this also includes the freighter (and the nice captain of that ship died too!). And, the rules don’t apply to Desmond, although him arriving to the island on the sail-boat was prior to him turning the fail-safe key which is what people have theorised as to when it began that the rules don’t apply to him. But with time travel and what-not, maybe the rules have never applied to him, and I’m probably just talking out of my butt :)

]]> By: snowybronco http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32077 snowybronco Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:35:25 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32077 i think if my memory serves me right desmond also sailed to the island originally and survived??? i think if my memory serves me right desmond also sailed to the island originally and survived???

]]> By: hasBen http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32075 hasBen Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:03:24 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32075 Hi Vincent the dog, I've had some thoughts on Frank and him being the pilot that was originally meant to fly 815 - I think in the end, if anyone does end up leaving the island (our good guys, the ones that are not going to be the final candidate) it will be with Frank flying them out on the Ajira plane. They have made a note of pointing out that Frank is an excellent pilot, therefore maybe any other regular pilot will not be able to get it up and running and fly it successfully out of the field force they are in (like how he did with the helicopter). I think if we are in some sort of loop as others have theorised, maybe MIB knew that this would happen, and killed the other pilot on arrival thinking that this was the 'special' pilot (MIB having limited details, just knowing that it was the pilot of Flight 815). Jacob foresaw this happening, and ensured that Frank slept in that day because Jacob knew that Frank would be the only pilot to save the non-candidates in the end. These are pure assumptions of course haha I doubt this will be it with only a few episodes to go to explain it, just thought I'd throw it out there! :) On a completely different wavelength - we have to note that the captain of the Black Rock was killed (on impact) on arrival to the island. I'm not sure if that means anything, I just find it interesting that 2 people that piloted/captained transportation arriving to the island both died. The only person that has survived doing this is Frank.. Hi Vincent the dog, I’ve had some thoughts on Frank and him being the pilot that was originally meant to fly 815 – I think in the end, if anyone does end up leaving the island (our good guys, the ones that are not going to be the final candidate) it will be with Frank flying them out on the Ajira plane. They have made a note of pointing out that Frank is an excellent pilot, therefore maybe any other regular pilot will not be able to get it up and running and fly it successfully out of the field force they are in (like how he did with the helicopter). I think if we are in some sort of loop as others have theorised, maybe MIB knew that this would happen, and killed the other pilot on arrival thinking that this was the ‘special’ pilot (MIB having limited details, just knowing that it was the pilot of Flight 815). Jacob foresaw this happening, and ensured that Frank slept in that day because Jacob knew that Frank would be the only pilot to save the non-candidates in the end.
These are pure assumptions of course haha I doubt this will be it with only a few episodes to go to explain it, just thought I’d throw it out there! :)

On a completely different wavelength – we have to note that the captain of the Black Rock was killed (on impact) on arrival to the island. I’m not sure if that means anything, I just find it interesting that 2 people that piloted/captained transportation arriving to the island both died. The only person that has survived doing this is Frank..

]]> By: snowybronco http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32072 snowybronco Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:53:36 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32072 i did mentioned in a post that even though jacob was stabbed it was eventually the fire that killed him, so it was interesting when smokie was slightly scared of the water... leadig to a fire + water theme??? this also links into desmond going to the magnetic pockets to set off another bomb which him and daniel were talking about in the other universe, by setting it of would cause the island to sink?? causing smokie to be submerged in the water he feared?? i did mentioned in a post that even though jacob was stabbed it was eventually the fire that killed him, so it was interesting when smokie was slightly scared of the water… leadig to a fire + water theme??? this also links into desmond going to the magnetic pockets to set off another bomb which him and daniel were talking about in the other universe, by setting it of would cause the island to sink?? causing smokie to be submerged in the water he feared??

]]> By: dabiatchishere http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32070 dabiatchishere Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:06:02 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32070 Hi Vincent the dog, While it was a different dagger that Dogen gave to Sayid than the dagger that Ben killed Jacob with, it doesn't detract from the overall point you are illustrating. Sayid did allow Nemesis to speak to him first, and I think this is why Sayid couldn't kill him. I do believe that Nemesis can be stopped. I think this might limit who might possibly be able to accomplish this, and perhaps might not occur in a traditional manner. I'm sure Frank does have a greater purpose, whether it's to fly Ajira or something else. Good thinking. Hi Vincent the dog, While it was a different dagger that Dogen gave to Sayid than the dagger that Ben killed Jacob with, it doesn’t detract from the overall point you are illustrating.

Sayid did allow Nemesis to speak to him first, and I think this is why Sayid couldn’t kill him. I do believe that Nemesis can be stopped. I think this might limit who might possibly be able to accomplish this, and perhaps might not occur in a traditional manner.

I’m sure Frank does have a greater purpose, whether it’s to fly Ajira or something else.

Good thinking.

]]> By: waycurious http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32067 waycurious Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:26:38 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32067 Dogan's dagger may not have been the same Ben stabbed into Jacob AND it may not have been one that *could* kill MIB since Dogan kinda' just wanted MIB to kill Sayid. The daggar Ben used clearly worked *and* with Jacob talking, and talking, and talking - indeed goading Ben to stab him. In fact, pretty sure Ben never got that "don't let him talk to ya'" direction before he raised his hand girlishly and poked Jacob with the knife. Hurley - he kills with VW microbuses. *SPLAT* Sawyer ... he's *not* on MIB's side, just running a con. (If someone's previous theory is accurate, the fact his parents aren't alive in Sidewaysville indicates he made no real deal with the devil ... ) Frank - yeah, there's gotta' be something goin on. Dogan’s dagger may not have been the same Ben stabbed into Jacob AND it may not have been one that *could* kill MIB since Dogan kinda’ just wanted MIB to kill Sayid.

The daggar Ben used clearly worked *and* with Jacob talking, and talking, and talking – indeed goading Ben to stab him.

In fact, pretty sure Ben never got that “don’t let him talk to ya’” direction before he raised his hand girlishly and poked Jacob with the knife.

Hurley – he kills with VW microbuses. *SPLAT*

Sawyer … he’s *not* on MIB’s side, just running a con. (If someone’s previous theory is accurate, the fact his parents aren’t alive in Sidewaysville indicates he made no real deal with the devil … )

Frank – yeah, there’s gotta’ be something goin on.

]]> By: Glaw http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32066 Glaw Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:45:25 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32066 I think Frank's only purpose is to fly the Ajira out of the island. Why would they bring back a not so important character that happens to be a pilot? He's done nothing important. He's been wandering around with Ilana. And as far as i know, he is the only pilot available at the Island right now. I think Frank’s only purpose is to fly the Ajira out of the island. Why would they bring back a not so important character that happens to be a pilot? He’s done nothing important. He’s been wandering around with Ilana. And as far as i know, he is the only pilot available at the Island right now.

]]> By: Inquisitor http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/04/the-dagger/#comment-32065 Inquisitor Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:53:06 +0000 http://www.theoriesonlost.com/?p=12394#comment-32065 Who has Nemesis not spoken to?.. Frank & Ilana, indirectly; @ beach in "LAX" Also, I don't believe he has actually spoken to Miles. Of course, he has not spoken to David, Aaron, Walt, or Ji-Yeon. I don't think this figures in the grand scheme of things. Jacob can be killed via stabbing (Ben) and Richard on the beach was just an earlier attempt of the same technique. I think Nemesis was telling the truth to Sayid when he said that Dogen sent him (Sayid) to stab Nemesis so that Sayid would die in Nemesis' counterattack. As a bit of a side note, I think Sawyer is becoming increasingly impatient and unsure of Nemesis' plans. I think he'll end up leaving that team and joining up with Jack at some point. I hope so, cuz I really love when Jack and Sawyer actually work together. Who has Nemesis not spoken to?..
Frank & Ilana, indirectly; @ beach in “LAX”
Also, I don’t believe he has actually spoken to Miles. Of course, he has not spoken to David, Aaron, Walt, or Ji-Yeon.

I don’t think this figures in the grand scheme of things. Jacob can be killed via stabbing (Ben) and Richard on the beach was just an earlier attempt of the same technique. I think Nemesis was telling the truth to Sayid when he said that Dogen sent him (Sayid) to stab Nemesis so that Sayid would die in Nemesis’ counterattack.

As a bit of a side note, I think Sawyer is becoming increasingly impatient and unsure of Nemesis’ plans. I think he’ll end up leaving that team and joining up with Jack at some point. I hope so, cuz I really love when Jack and Sawyer actually work together.

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