“I hope somebody does for you, what you just did for me.” -John Locke (speaking to Jack Shepherd)

Jack’s story began with his father, ended with his father, with almost every struggle in between related to his father. Starting with Austrailia, to find his dad; Jack’s decision to do right thing still didn’t remove the overwhelming guilt he felt when his father died. Fresh with this struggle he was brought to the Island, only to see visions of his dad walking through the jungle..

After returning home as part of the Oceanic Six, his family had the funeral for him. But at that funeral he learned that Claire was his sister; another burden to carry due to his Father. He already feels responsible for those he left behind, but now knowing who Claire is, makes his new life off the island carry that much less of meaning. Next, meeting Locke as a patient at the hospital. “You’re Father says hey” took him to a new level of insanity. That night he booked a flight to Austrailia (Ben told Locke..)

So His Father brought him to the Island, He brought him back to the Island, and…

Brought him home. Charlie knew where he was when he met Claire. Hurley, when he met Libby. Sawyer, Juliet. For all of them, it was somebody they knew and fell in love with on the island. For Jack, it was somebody he loved his entire life. For all of them, it was somebody that was alive, or at least thought was alive. For Jack, it was somebody who had died. Jack was so stubborn, he had to see him resurrected; Jack was both the saviour of the group, and the doubting Thomas. Christian did to Jack, what Jack did for Locke..

And when Jack hugged his Dad, his first question was “Are you real?” Christian’s hug and smile, and a sarcastic “I sure hope I’m real!” assured Jack, and me, that the seemingly impossible to happen, happened.

It assured me, not because I don’t believe in heaven, I already do.. But because I witnessed the dead being on the Island, and many times those dead we came to find out really weren’t real at all. A White Rabbit masquerading as Jack’s Dad. In that way, this new world is that much more real than the Island. And in that way, the story has a happy ending, in THE END.

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Sry if there already is a post like this but
season 1 walkabout
do I really have to explain why I love this episode?

season 2 live together die alone
Desmond’s first flashback episode, gave some intense insight into his sad love story and brought Locke to the edge of disbelief. Still my favorite episode ever.

season 3 flashes before your eyes
Solidifies that Desmond is the coolest character ever, sends him back in time and shows us that he can see different iterations of the future.

season 4 the constant
Again Desmond is being thrown about through time as well as trying to race against it, with some amazing storytelling and editing.

season 5 Jughead
Richard Alpert looked the same (though not the first time they showed him like that), and they brought Widmore and Eloise into the story pretty well. also Charlotte fainted.

season 6 the end
They helped me let go… super sad ending, didn’t answer some of the more minor mysteries brought up in the middle of the series but not too huge of a deal. smokey died, that was cool, even though he was Locke.

anyone else want to post their favorite episodes? maybe some reasons why.

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Been thinking about this.

Light basically IS electromagnetism. The warmer an electromagnet, the stronger it is. Water is often used to cool one.

The cork prevented the ‘light’ from being cooled. MIB’s people were working around this by recombining the two in the FDW well.

You’re guess is as good as mine as to how this ties in w/leaving the island, (they could have been putting out the earth’s core for I know) … but I do know we have some physicists on this site and maybe they can add to our knowledge.

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I know every year LOST fans give writers heart attacks by posting tons of spoilers online, it seems to have gotten curbed quite well on this site…so…what leaked before the show was done?

What did you hear before it all ended that gave things away, or that was false?

I also heard that the finale script got left somewhere and found and ended up online…does anyone know if it was actually the finale script…or if it was a fake?

What was the biggest spoiler that you got spoiled on in the finale…and in Lost in general?

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So what was that stupid music box that Christian left to Claire… did anyone come up with a good answer for that?

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Pro lost finalie fans are still comming up with theories, maybe locke was touched by richard in 19whatever, maybe jacob made hugo eat lots? end of the day when it comes to answers the writers never knew and neither will we! Stop theorising people its pointless, the answers arent out there!!!!

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Locke: ‘Why do you find it so hard to believe?’
Jack: ‘Why do you find it so easy?’
Locke: ‘Its never been easy!’
…having faith never is easy. It takes a strong person to give up control and submit themselves to fate. It took Jack 6 long years to complete this arc. When Jack first awoke on the island he demanded answers. Why? Why? Why? Why are we here? Why was Dharma here? Why must someone press the button every 108 minutes? Why? Why? Why? Jack never got all his answers before he closed his eyes did he? And neither did we. The difference between Jack and you is that by the end Jack didn’t need those answers to move on. He had faith and that provided all the answers he needed. The truly important answers. I have read post after post of pissed off viewers and I feel sorry for them. I feel like I’m Desmond awake in the Sideways trying to wake up everyone else. Its an almost impossible feate I fear. How could so many ‘fans’ miss the entire point of the show? So we didn’t get all the finer details. So what? We did receive all the info we needed to progress the story. In the end those answers didn’t matter and such is life. When we move on from this world will the answers we found matter? They didn’t save anyone. They didnt save the island. What happened happened. The writers didn’t con us, they didn’t cheat us. They created a story where the viewer was forced to evaluate their own lives and formulate the answers based on their beliefs. Are you a Jack or a Locke? Are you science or faith? It seems like the majority of the people who watched this show were all science all the way. Explain the food drops, they cry. Explain the smoke monster, they demand. Think about this, even if the writers did explain all the little details of the show would it have changed the ending? Would it have made it something more than it was? Or did what happen happen and nothing could have changed that? I stand inside church ready to let go and move on. You are Ben left sitting outside. Maybe you will find your answers on the extended DVD. Maybe that will give you what you need to let go and move on…but it probably won’t. In the end LOST is something different for every person. That is why the show was so great. Each of those characters in that massive cast reflected a part of us. Some of us were Jacks and some of us were Lockes. Hell, some of us were Hurleys and some of us were Bens. In the end each of us needs to find our own way, our own answers. Since day 1, the writers described LOST as a character study. It was always about the people. It was about living together or dying alone. We tuned in each week not to see the smoke monster or have it disected and explained. We tuned in to see this world through the eyes of the characters, to experience what they experienced. It was just a story folks and the smoke monster, dharma and the others were just plot devices to progress the story. The end would have been the end whether we got our answers or not. In the end LOST made us ask questions. It made us look at things from a different perspective. It made us think. So why stop now? For those of you who need the answers for closure, to move on, to be happy I wish you the best of luck but know this; you keep yourself in your own purgatories because you are unable to let go, because you demand answers…because you need them. The story of LOST is not perfect, there are holes everywhere, but the themes of the show (faith, love, destiny) fills those holes and lets us move forward…you probably disagree…you’re probably getting angrier and angrier as time rolls forward. You need those answers, don’t you? I can’t imagine how you people see other shows or movies. It’s because of people like you that George Lucas decided to define the Force with those damn mitochloriens…like we true fans needed that explaination. The true fans didn’t need the Fore defined. They had faith in it. Explain warp drive the trekkies cry! I feel that the answers in LOST could have ruined the story. The writers had faith that we would get to the end of this journey without those answers. Dont make them pull a Lucas and come back with answers we dont need…keep LOST pure…and let go for the love of God. The show was great. The characters were great, the ending is great…it is the viewers that are lacking. Wake up people! Did you seriously tune in each week to see a smoke monster or to have it explained? Really? …really?

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In the final scene of “The End” it was revealed that no alternate reality had been created by the H-bomb. This resulted in many fans crying foul, arguing that the entire second half of season 5 was a mind f***. That Jughead was pointless and did nothing.

That was my first reaction too until I thought about it rationally… Then I started to realize what the point of the bomb actually was!…

First of all, if the bomb did in fact detonate (now that we know that there was only one timeline), Pierre Chang and Radzinsky would have died in the explosion (along with several others). But we know that Chang lived to make those DHARMA videos and Radzinsky lived to push the button in the hatch…

So the most plausible start to any theory regarding the bomb (though not automatically the correct one), is to assume that the bomb did not explode…… at least in 1977. Here’s what I think happened:

The Island flashed the Losties back into their original time frame right before Juliet could detonate the bomb. The Island had to do this as a last resort because it was the only way left for the Island to stop them from detonating it. So now, there’s an H-bomb sitting at the bottom of the very deep hole that the D.I. has drilled. We know that after the incident, the D.I. had to build a device (the button in the hatch) that would dissipate the electro-magnetic energy that was seeping out of the Island as a result of them drilling into the pocket of energy. As a failsafe, they connected the hydrogen bomb to a keyhole and gave the failsafe key to the button-pusher. If it for some reason became impossible for the button-pusaher to press the button, he could turn the key and it would detonate the bomb and negate the massive amount of EM energy that had leaked out of the Island. But whoever turned the key would die because no one can survive the electro-magnetic pulse created by a hydrogen bomb… except Desmond.

So the Losties had to go back in time not to detonate the bomb, but simply to put the bomb there so that the D.I. could create a failsafe that Desmond would later utilize to save the world!…

After all, the bomb was rigged to detonate on impact. If it were supposed to go off in 1977, it would have gone off when it hit the ground after falling for over 100 feet.

So what was the importance of the bomb?… If they had not gone back in time and put the bomb there, the failsafe would never have been created and Locke’s failure to press the button would have lead to the end of the world… So although it didn’t create an alternate timeline as Dan had hoped (although he previously admitted several times that he knew this to be impossible), it did save the world–a feat that I would classify as “pretty damn important.”

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After having read a ton and a half of comments wrt how Lost ended. I get the frustration many of the fans are experiencing. Can’t say I blame them. I always believed (perhaps naively) that the production would come through with answers of sorts but it appears those answers are holidaying in Hawaii indefinitely. They went for emotion/sentimentality as a main weapon without effectively addressing the mystery and the mythology.
In their defense they marginally answered some questions. But the ones that were answered were answered too simply “The names of the candidates are just written in chalk on a cave wall” with others (not the Others) left to interpretation. What the heck is a Jacob?
I think the problem was the show had locked (not Locke) itself in given its linear prime time soap opera format. You either watched LOST or you didn’t. The audience was a captive one. It may have been thought these guys (the fans) will accept whatever we hand them given it is delivered in emotional wrappings in perceived intelligent fashion. And if we align some of the ducks and make the closer as gut wrenching as possible then maybe they’ll forget about the rest. No question, they are experts at this stuff. The formula works but there are some variables missing (I SAID VARIABLES) if you want to balance the equation.
But seriously let’s not bite the hand that fed us, they are great producers/writers otherwise we would not be in debate. Guess some of us just wanted a little more.

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I’ve been wanting to post this since Sunday but haven’t had time.

The ending reminded me of the ending of the Simpsons episode “Das Bus”

“So the children learned how to function as a society,
and eventually they were rescued by, oh, let’s say…Moe”

They should have had Richard just take the last five minutes and read all the answers to our questions.

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I would imagine it is extremely difficult for writers to fully reconcile all events contiguously or seamlessly within a show of such complexity. In terms of the number of players, multi layered storylines, scenes coordination, interpretations of theories of space, time and electromagnetism, special effects editing and so on, I think it may be more difficult to produce this type of entertainment than say, a movie, much of the time. All this capped by trying to keep the mystery from millions of people for 6 years. And there is probably a lot more to it as well. What a collaboration.
This assumption, however, will not stop me from trying to summarize Lost into a known one line saying or song title. These by no means, refer to the last episode’s content for example; the near to last scene in the Church and where you see the Losties heading into the afterlife. Nor am I implying reference to anything specific at any given time throughout the series.
I am going for the “whole enchilada” as it were!
What do you think? “Back Jack, do it again”, “All that glitters is not gold”, the classic “Burnin’ for you” and most notably “The road to Hell is paved with good intensions” to name a few.
So, on that note (pun intended) we bid a due and the best to all. Now it’s time to add my contribution and creation…”Please, don’t let that stop you”.

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4 – 8 – 15 – 16 – 23 — 42

We see these numbers everywhere throughout the series, but they are never explained. These numbers are also next to the candidates’ names. What is the possible significance of these particular numbers?

4 – Locke
8 – Reyes
15 – Ford
16 – Jarrah
23 – Shephard
42 – Kwon

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Looks funny:

http://penneydesign.tumblr.com/

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I’ve been trying to piece together some stuff from the show, and figure out just exactly why the light in the cave was of such importance. I don’t know if this has been brought up already or not, so if it has i apologise. I’m not even sure if this is obvious or a really stupid idea, but after that finale, we don’t have too much to go on.

I think the reason that light in the cave was so important was because it was what kept the afterlife in existence. Maybe when it was stated several times that if MIB got his way ‘everyone you love would be gone’, it didn’t mean they would physically die. As we heard Christian say, some people died before Jack, some long after, but they were all there. In this afterlife there is no now, so it could mean you’re able to spend eternity with everyone you ever loved, even people that aren’t dead yet, everyone you want to be with is there, thats a beautiful concept.

this makes me think of some of the promises that Jacob made to people, such as telling Dogen he could be with his son again, i guess he wasn’t lying. Now think if that light is what i think it is, and by it being put out this afterlife ceases to exist, everyone you love will be gone. Those are pretty high stakes, and to me adds deeper meaning to the light, why it needs to be protected and why they showed us the afterlife scenario. Thinking this way, i actually feel a bit happier about the way it ended, and the final ten minutes don’t seem so random. I know this is a little outlandish, but there really isn’t any logical way to explain the importance of a light in a cave.

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As I’m still trying to fully embrace the finale, I have a question..
I would appreciate it if anyone could try to explain, or discuss it in some way..(AES?:)

What about Jack’s nosebleed in the final island-scene? Is there anything special to it, or is it simply an indication that Island-Jack and FSW-Jack are swapping consciousness and memories etc.

And what exactly is the significance of Jack dying in the same spot he woke up on in the Pilot episode? Does it say anything or is it just a simple wink to the Pilot episode?

Thanks!

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I’m still not understanding the episode when Richard visited young Locke & presented things to him.  Why did that happen?  What was Richard trying to learn?  Why?  Why/how did Locke have a drawing of the Smoke Monster on the wall?

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No one can give birth on the island.

Jin/Sun there – not Ji Yeon.
Desmond/Penny there – not little Charlie (and Penny makes no sense)
Christian leaves before the party begins.

Could it be you AND your kids can’t be in happily-ever-after, so if you’re stuck on the island you can’t have kids (and instead of making the men infertile, the malevolent, misogynistic island made the extra fertile and just killed the women who didn’t use enough Dharma condoms.)

Unless, of course, your mom is totally crazy and killed you and left you rotting in some unsafe cradle as soon as she got off the island so you had no other options for a ‘happily ever after’ except the one with your two moms. (And, I think Aaron was looking over with pleading eyes towards Kate.)

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Try this video sketch pretty funny….

http://www.cracked.com/video_18185_catch-up-lost-via-1920s-radio-show.html

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One question I have about how the flash sideways works. If David is nor real… In the sense that Jack does not have a son… Then how many other “characters” from the flash sideways are not “real”?

Widmore, Daniel, Cooper, Liam…

Michael and Walt, whom we see on flight 815?

We assume Ben Linus is real despite his not joining the others in the church. Si can we assume that there are other “people” in the flash sideways who are real souls struggling to work things out while others props created to help them through that struggle?

On the Jimmy kimmmel aloha show Harold Perrineau suggested that Michael is still on the island as a whisper, and not in the flash sideways.

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First I wanted to thank everyone on this forum for entertaining me during the periods between each episode. I enjoyed really every post, no matter how crazy the ideas were.

Now after some days after the finale, i had time to rethink “The End” a little bit and I think, I got a pretty good feeling for myself to what happened in the Series-Finale.

The first thoughts after the Show were, that whole LOST was a similar story to the movie “Jacob’s Ladder”. In that sense, everything that happened in LOST was “made up” by Jack himself to find peace for himself, so he can enter heaven. That ending would have been half-point higher, than somebody waking up in an airplane and finding out that it was just a dream.

After some thinking, and inspiration from you guys and girls, i found the answer to the Finale, as i also think it was meant to be: Season 6 (SLU) was kind of “Afterlife” where everyone (no matter when they died) comes together and finds peace, and so can enter heaven, or whatever you want to call it…
That’s a very nice idea, and clearly not a lot of people expected that kind of solution for the SLU.

The second thing we learned was, that still: everything that happened on the island was real. And they give not a single answer to all the mysteries of the island…

But why didn’t they? Why did they spend one whole season for the “Longest Happy Ending” in History since the Lord of the Rings? I’m sure they were thinking on how to End this whole thing, and that “giving answers the whole time, with a little side-story” was an option. But what would have happend then: eG There are literally 1000+ theories on Aaron, but if they would have answered one ore more questions about Aaron, 999 theories would have been wrong. That makes a very small percentage of satisfied watchers. And this scenario would apply to all unanswered questions. And that would have made every LOST Fan angry, maybe not only because of the answers, but also because of the loss of mystery the series built over the last years.

So they decided to give not a single answer and make the FINALE mainly about explaining SLU and about The End of the On-Island-Story, which for sure makes everyone a little angry, but in the long run everyone will be happier. People like us will still make theories in twenty years about pregnancy issues, Walt or the statue. Including us.

Please don’t be too harsh on me, because i’d like to hold on to this idea, and it will make me recommend the series to other people… with the remark: Don’t expect too many answers.

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