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Illuminating Her Better Half…

I find it hard to believe that this has not come up…but I have not heard it anywhere…
Its something that makes me really believe that there is something significant missing from “Across the Sea”…

We all have been basing ideas on someone taking over Jacobs role, and someone taking over MIBs role…some great thoughts exist because of that very debate…

But I have a serious issue, and since nobody else has brought it up…

Who is “Mothers” better half?

Not necessarily her husband…but who is MIB to her Jacob…?
Who is the Sawyer to her Jack, or even the Jack to her Locke?
Who is the woman of science to her woman of faith?

The whole show up to this point has revolved around light vs dark, 2 sides…and yet, so many keep coming up with Jacob/MIB replacements…has anyone ever stopped to think…

What if there is not supposed to be two sides?

What if the second side is what causes the problem…as far as we know…nobody, even Claudia, knew MIB was coming…hell, even mommy looked a little surprised…

In the Illuminatus Trilogy (I REALLY dont want to get too into it here), a book that I cannot explain to anyone in less than a few thousand words, there is an island much like Lost…and much like Lost, there seems to be a tranquility on this island.
This lasts up until someone starts to wonder what else exists…what else is possible…

This person basically starts a war on the island, and releases a powerful monster (which I FULLY believe has some reference to smokie) which in the long run, results in the island being sunk, and their temple/monument being destroyed except for one well known piece…sound familiar?

The leftover inhabitants are forced to leave the island, and reside in the real world as we know it, creating secret societies and using religion and politics as a front…some may know this today as the Illuminati…or people who illuminate…or bear light.
While off island, these people go through an array of instances and moments where they see things that they know and recognize as real, even after they snap out of it and realize that they were not exactly seeing what they saw physically.
(There are several psychedelic drug references…”Hes our You”, and all of Jacks off island binges seem very reminiscent)

Then for the rest of the book, we follow someone who may very well be an ex-inhabitant(Ok Achalli…maybe Hagbard is Widmore)…who gathers many aboard his SUBMARINE in an effort to find the island again…

SO is it MIB that actually started with the 2 sides business…or was it mom?

He likes to play games…but…she said she put the game there for him…if she brought the people to the island, she may not be lying. Hmmm…

The point is, that I have a hard time believing that there are really supposed to be two people to replace Jacob and MIB…which is why I have been saying only one name at a time, such as Jack, Locke, or more recently Kate…(although Sawyer is a possibility, it doesnt seem as likely to me)…

And because this started out a question, and got turned into a theory…Ill end on a question…

Do you think there is supposed to be two people to replace MIB and Jacob…or one to replace Mom…?

And if there is supposed to be two…then who is “Mothers” better (or worse) half?

Thank you for your time…

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42 thoughts on “Illuminating Her Better Half…

  1. Hmmm….first off, I’m a believer that mother was infected, and of a purely evil nature. She was setting everything up from the get go, much like what Jacob is doing in the modern world by touching everyone(Fear not, I wont get into Jacob’s story).

    I believe there’s a balance. There are goods and bads to everything on this plane of existence. Something isn’t “good” if there’s nothing “bad” to compare it to. So in that sense, I guess there would have to be more to mother. Balance is obviously a big theme in this show, and you did a good job with identifying something that’s a bit off.

    If your asking whether or not we think there was someone else in Mother’s life at one point, I’m not sure I can answer that, but I’m sure she’d have her own “origin story” if time allowed.

    Quick question back at ya: Quite a few of us believe she brought people to the island. But that would mean that she probably had to touch people in the real world right? Have we seen how Jacob got around the planet? Does he a have a vessel of sorts? I’m asking because “mother” would’ve probably had the same means of travel, even way back when. Remember, they’re the same now. I wonder how mother used to get around. There was no wheel in place, so I doubt the island was moving at the time.

  2. Thank you…thats exactly the comment I was looking for…

    Thats just it…I DONT think she went off the island…I think there may have been another ‘half’, not literally…off the island
    …well…most likely not literally…who knows though…

  3. You know how Jacob brings people to the island, and MIB tempts, entices, and manipulates them?

    Perhaps mother was doing what MIB does, while someone in white was out in the world doing what Jacob does. She was the black stone of that timeframe, while someone absent from the episode was the white stone of that era.

    It’s like how Jacob brought Richard to the island, but MIB was the first person Richard saw. Someone else brought Claudia to the island, but crazy lady was her first encounter.

  4. Was jacob the first to turn the wheel possibly?
    Maybe sending him to Tunisia and eventually the real world we know, to do the things we saw…

    Or was Jacob simply the first to somehow learn the true power of the light and water…?

    I cant help but think about Walt when he was first seen by Locke after he was shot by Ben…covered in water…
    Somehow Walt knows something…and I do NOT think the island is done with him…I know Im not…

    I really think the wheel is almost like a physical means to travel a spiritual road…and it may not be what is supposed to happen…hence the time travel.

    Mother said that the light was not to be used in that fashion…Jacob has seen its consequences, MIB has felt them.

    I think we will learn of another way to travel to and from the island, and it may the most mystical, CGI gripe yet…if you thought the “shiny well” was fake…can you imagine what really being in it may look like…?

    And BTW…be on the lookout for the man who is able to SURVIVE an electromagnetic anomaly to venture into the light yet again…

    Someone here recently posted something like that, and I kind of shot it down…speak up if you read this…I would like to rethink my comments…

    Widmore may have very well brought Des for that exact purpose…it will be interesting to see how that would go…considering he isnt supposed to be harmed by it…would he just flash away, have nothing happen, or actually turn into a smoke monster?

    Sorry, a little off topic…couldnt stop…

    My god…almost makes me cringe with even a consideration that Widmore is a good guy in the long run…

  5. Interesting thoughts AES… And what really has me confused about all of this is, if Mom and Jacob are now the same then why do they have such different views? She seems to share the same views as MIB, “They come, they fight, they corrupt, it always ends the same.”

    I kind of think that maybe she didn’t have an opposing force, but was somehow two sides of the same coin… Both good and evil balanced within her. Her actions seem to suggest that she really did love them both, but yet she manipulated them, and I believe that she is soley responsible for driving them to became the two sides, but no longer of the same coin.

  6. I bet she was trapped on the island just like MIB is, hence the “thank you” upon death. Maybe someone else threw her into the light, making her a smokie…(this is where everyone rolls their eyes)…I just saw a lot of similarities between smokie/MIB and mother. Mainly their outlook on humanity. They both used the exact same phrase.

  7. I thought the same thing…

    MIB says in the episode about how bad people are…he just doesnt want the responsibility of protecting the island…

    Thats really the main difference between them it seems.

    They are destined to do something…

    One brother (MIB)doesnt want what he is force fed…and the other brother (Jacob) is so hungry for it he is willing to do anything to get it…

    I do think she loved them…I really do.
    Her manipulation, like the current actions/intentions of Jacob and MIB have yet to be revealed.

    The mother almost has to have Egyptian roots…I dont know how any of the egyptian stuff would make sense…

    Im pretty sure Claudia spoke Latin, and Im pretty sure they didnt speak Latin in Egypt…leaving Mother, or the smoke monster, whatever she ends up being the only possibility seemingly left.

    Why the separation though…she really didnt do anything in terms of pushing MIB to the other people…unless of course she is the monster…lets not forget that…

    Honestly she did almost everything she could to stop him from attaining the light…

    All thoughts of her being a monster, or even the “dead mother” he saw are theories at this point…

    To believe that is to believe there are no dead people roaming on Lost…and I just…cant…bring myself to fully believe that.

    I still have hope in the spirit, soul, conscious…whatever…
    and that hope has sort of been my guiding light throughout the show…

    Good comments so far…

  8. Chief…I could not agree more…

    I TRULY believe that MIB is the one protecting the island…and I think Jacob knows this too…

    The monster has ALWAYS been the security system…and always will be in my opinion…at least as long as there is an island and a light to protect…

  9. Nice post and comments!
    Jacob and his brother — the origin of the duality. So many concepts in Lost are rooted in dualities, and all of the dualities are in conflict. Just like Jacob and his brother.

    What a great idea that the birth of twins, the ‘unexpected’ additional birth, is representative of the birth of the dualities. The birth of the conflict.
    Mother is singular in her belief system — to her, humanity is flawed. After Jacob’s brother/MIB is around people long enough, he tends to agree. But Jacob is unlike his Mother and brother — he sees the good in humanity. To his mother, he is neither her favorite nor the one she would have chosen as the candidate, until she finally realizes it is MEANT to be him.

    Though the first born, Jacob seems to represent the ‘unexpected birth’, at least in his mother’s eyes.

    Who is Mother’s opposite? Perhaps she didn’t have one — the duality and conflict were, perhaps, born with Jacob and his brother. Is she Eve (the true Eve), who bit the apple from the Tree of Knowledge? (cue heavy sigh and eye roll). If so, this could explain her disdain for humanity, which was spawned from her eternal mistake.

    A final thought — I love the statement about the how the Mother looked surprised by the second birth. It wasn’t meant to be, this ‘mirror image’ of brothers. It makes me think about the ALT, the ‘mirror-image’ of the current timeline. I feel that it represents the final duality, an entire existence based on something that wasn’t ‘meant to be’. Is it possible that the second birth and the ALT are tied together? Does the ALT belong to one of the brothers somehow?

    Is it possible that one of them belongs in the ALT, and not here? Or is trying to get to the ALT, such as Jacob’s brother, to be free, to be home “Across the Sea”? Is that where he is meant to go? Or where he believes he is meant to go? Will the ALT and the current timeline be dangers to each other, possibly extinguishing each other, because the represent the same conflict that the brothers do, and that is what Desmond is trying to prevent?

    Just rambling now, but trying to connect the dualities together…
    Anyhow, brilliant post, really got me thinking….

  10. i forget who just said it but i think mother is both sides of the coin. the writers were clever to tell us that mother was both smokie/protector. if u look at her actions she is all about protecting the island from the light bieng put out like jacob is presently. then u look at the other side she shows the evilness, people are corrupt and so forth just like mib. which to me answers the question. all u have to do is look at mib and jacob sepertly and then put them together and they are exactly like their mother was if u out them together. in terms of her bringing people to the island. maybe the lighthouse was there at that point and she was able to watch people from all over the world and bring them with a click of a dial. now we know jacob goes and touches the canidates maybe that prevents them from dying and is not actually the process of choosing them. maybe years and years after mothers death finally jacob was able to come and go and he realized after mib tried to kill him that he had to leave the island and ensure the bringing of the canidates cause this is gonna be the end game… what u guys think? sorry for the rambling though

  11. Superb comments everybody! Nothing much to add from me.. this was like perfect theory sandwich, ClairePB was the peanut butter and Chief+AES were the jam (serious eye roll)..Ok I’m realy thinking hard here, thinking of all the dualities; one serious duality that has just been freshly introduced: what about the difference in the Island’s energy at the Tunnel Light, vs. the Island’s energy in 1970s Dharma Time? The tunnel light was pure radiant light, not harmful (unless maybe touched it), beautiful; the energy during the 1970s was destructive, causing incident, and even when the guy was drilling near the wheel in the Orchid, started having nose bleeds. I might write a theory on this line of thought..

  12. Oh, interesting bobt. You’re saying the light/energy became tainted in a way? Like the contact with a human (MIB) caused it to become a a rather “dirtier” energy? Again, interesting.

  13. oh sorry, that was dumb I know, I was just meditating on all possible dualities in the universe; black+white, dark+light, PB+Jam..

    Ok back to theorizing..yes exactly Chief; the Island energy in the last episode seemed like it was pure and harmless. It was hidden as though it was a treasure to find, it was waiting to be found and harnessed (I suppose), it was life+death+rebirth with less emphasis on the death…

    But the Island energy in Dharma time was “contained”, like a nuclear reactor that went bad and poured 20 feet of concrete over. It’s destructive. Drilling next to it could cause the nosebleeds. It had to be harnessed in a way that was very cautious I suppose…

    The scene that really stands out to me was and MIB and Mother inside the well. MIB cracked open that rock and light was pouring out, and it was radiant and harmless..If that was done during 1970s you MIB would have died of nosebleeds instantly..

    That’s what I’m thinking; the human touch “infected” it maybe. It became less pure and more chaotic

  14. CPB…the surprise birth I think has some deeper meaning possibly than just another child. I really liked how Claudia actually asked for MIB first…than was killed…

    Cant help but feel that could mean something as well.

    I hate to bash my own theory, but I guess Claudia could for somehow be the opposite of “mother”…

    To call her Eve would mean we have to say that MIB is the real Adam…I dont like that…although…if she indeed used the power, than it does make a bit of sense.

    I really think the realationship is going to play into such things as Kate and Aaron, and even as far as Jack and Christian…

    Good thoughts on duality…

    I have said for quite sometime that the FSW could very well be a creation of MIB…and being that we have seen Jacob in the original…that could make a bit of sense…

    Jacob got off the island in one…and MIB is trying to get off in the other…

    They both have to exist…or they both have to be destroyed, leaving only the island remaining…

  15. I have bad news in regards to “what the light is”…

    In Star Trek, they may explain briefly how the energy works to travel through time, and jump through time and space physically via “beaming up”…but they wouldnt go into depth so far as to where it could actually be broken down and proved wrong in real science…

    In Star Wars, although “the force” is used by focus and meditation, we will never actually learn what the powers of the force and “dark side” truly are in terms of true origin, or where it exactly comes from…

    This light, like the force…or even any kind of great strength or power alone is driven by incentive and emotion.

    I really believe that it is not good or bad…it simply is…
    Its a power that can be used for good, as I feel we will soon learn…and from what we have seen thus-far…its something that can be used for very bad, and even be put out…

    The question is…can it be ignited again if so…?
    I wouldnt tell anyone on this show what they cant do…

    The only good thing that could come of them not showing its origin is that it would mean they probably wouldnt show it as a space ship either…

  16. “Eye roll”?
    My eye just fell out of my head…

    bobt…did you have to…
    did you have to put Chief and I in the middle of a sandwich together…?

    Chief…you can be the jam…the bread…whatever you want…Im going to go follow the smoke monster around…telling him “no” over and over…

    Seriously though…I like that idea about MIB in the light.

    The light is most likely meant for good…

    Think of it this way…

    Light a fire to keep yourself warm…get a little closer, and you might get burned…go all the way in…you could burn up completely, but smother the fire out in the process, leaving nothing but a cloud of smoke behind…

    They should do something like that in the show…
    ;]

  17. ar…I cant help but think the same thing about mother…but still it has to be said…two sides…

    I really dont like the idea of the brothers representing different sides.
    As I say in this theory…she seemed more than happy to “help” Claudia, but there was some surprise involving the second child…

    Its a good thought about Jacob…

    I cant agree more that you can see a little of “mom” in both of them…

    Im really curious at this point to learn what rules, if any, that Jacob made up and added to the game…

    MIBs words to him as a child most likely haunted him, and most likely backfired on MIB as well…

    Cant wait to see who wins…

  18. i rattle my brain all week long just like all of us then i read these theories rite here. which is the best theory site on the internet. u guys all always have great thoughts and i can always agree with some parts of most theories. man my mind is going to take a little nap after the season finale for it has not stopped since i first watched this show. keep up the good work guys i enjoy all u guys bring to the table. and i also still hope its not a spaceship….. lol

  19. I always just assumed that it was the lighthouse that was what Jacob used to get off the island. Yes its a little sketchy, thinking that he could step into the mirrors and travel to where the mirror projects. But its kinda weird to have the mirrors show like 360 different places in the world allowing its user to keep an eye on the people to begin with. I doubt we will get any real answer on it since I dont believe there will be a new protector of the island anyway.

  20. I like the idea…people think too physical sometimes…
    Its kind of like why did an other ask Michael if Walt pops up where he doesnt belong…

    Jacob may very well harnass the lighthouse…I just always looked at it as a way for “others” to find the island…

    If no protector…do you think no island?

    Not disagreeing, just curious…

    Also would that mean that the light does not, or should not be protected?

    Good thoughts greatforsaken…

  21. I think it’s important that MIB and Mother share the same view of humanity. “They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.”

    While MIB thinks and even explains Jacob why HIS people are bad…he still joins them because he wants to leave the island. Jacob on the other hand has faith in both humanity, AND his purpose on the island.

    I read a theory somewhere else about Jacob, that he wants to bring the two sides together. It was a good theory, and bringing the two sides together fits with your ideas as well. I also believe it’s very possible there was never supposed to be two sides.. Good thoughts AES!

  22. I stopped reading comments half-way down, so sorry if these are repeat thoughts…

    There are things about the mother that I’m sure of and things about her that are still questions marks. She is not a smoke monster, of that I’m sure. Does she have another half? Maybe. She shares the same view of humanity with the brother, sure… but she’s definitely a person of faith like Jacob (the brother being the man of science). She seems to represent both sides… maybe there aren’t supposed to be two sides, maybe there is, maybe it doesn’t matter.

    You can look at this a couple of different ways. Jack is the replacement, I’m pretty sure of that. Does he represent the man of science, faith or both? Both, I think. He was the man of science for a long time before we started seeing him come around as the man of faith back during the “we have to go back!” days… then, in the episode “The Lighthouse” he completes his transition. He smashes the mirrors then goes off to sit by himself and think… when he’s done he’s fully a man of faith, like Jacob and he’s ready to take his place. So does Jack represent both? Maybe. So maybe not there will be only one and Jack will pull out a sword and cut off Locke’s head and take his power.

    On the other hand… Jack seems to have taken the role of man of faith… maybe he isn’t the man of science anymore… but who would be the man of science then? Or the person of science. Jacob had a surprise sibling… oh, wait… Jack has a surprise sibling too… Claire.

    I think the mother was the one and only, representing both sides and I think that Jack will be taking over as the representative of both sides as well… but that’s just my opinion and there are obviously other possibilities. I definitely don’t think we’ll be seeing anymore of the mother and I don’t think that her actions were part of some complex scheme to drive the brothers apart or whatever it was she might have been trying to do… her style, it seems, would have been to see which one panned out as the proper candidate then to brain the other with a rock. I don’t see the point of playing all those other games.

  23. AES, I just wrote a comment only to have it dissappear on me. And I don’t have the time at this moment to reconstruct the whole thing. Hopefully I will have better luck later on.

  24. I don’t know if this has been touched, but didnt MIB say Jacob stole his body?

    Do you think there is any chance Jacob is the original MIB?

  25. Trying to answer your question, let me give youtwo interesting (although not very well based) theories:

    1. Jacob and MIB could be replaced by two, but none of the Losties. What came recently into my mind is that Sun’s baby (forgot his name) and Aaron could be the new keepers. My idea is that maybe the more you’re connected to the Island more it rewards you. If we think of Locke and some others, and how strongly connected to the Island they are, imagine if they had been in the Island since childhood (well, maybe, in some twist of events involving time travelling, they were).

    So Aaron, who was born is the Island, who has been supposed to have supernatural powers from season 1 (the psychic’s premoniton), and who has biblical connection to Jacob (see my previous posts), is a strong candidate to anything related to the Island. That is if he, as well as Sun’s son, go back to the Island. Other children are also good candidates (Walt?).

    2. What if the one who enters the light becomes the smoke monster and the true protector? Maybe how the game was supposed to be played is: mother shows them how important it is to stay on the Island, no matter what. Then she shows them a game. She knows that at some point they will fight and even try to kill one another. The one that dies, will be thrown in the light. He comes back as the protector. At first she thought Jacob was the strongest, so he would kill MIB, and MIB would become the protector. Then she realizes that MIB is the strongest, and that he will Jacob. That’s when she changes her mind (“it was meant to be you”). Then she things that Jacob will die and become the protector, and she prepares him for that. In a turn of events Jacob kills MIB indeed, and he becomes the protector. However, this is not good, because MIB wants to leave, and the true protector cannot leave. It sounds quite crazy, but at first thought it kind of makes some kind of sense.

    Do you know who else died and came back? Sayid. And he joined MIB. Maybe he is a good choice as replacement as well, if he ever shows up again (the water where he died might have something to do with the “light”).

    Well, we are all getting quite insane with all this… lol

  26. Liking the theory and the comments.

    I think the Donkey Wheel is frozen in recent times because of the light and it’s warmth “going out”.

  27. Stone…”While MIB thinks and even explains Jacob why HIS people are bad…he still joins them because he wants to leave the island. Jacob on the other hand has faith in both humanity, AND his purpose on the island.”

    Wow…breaking it down like that…

    It really makes you look at the fact that Jacob and his brother were technically both humans upon the beginning of their story.

    They not only say what they think…but physically represent each side…

    MIB does, exactly what he says they do…and Jacob tries to do good.

    With the understanding that what Jacob did to his brother was in no way good…

    Jacob, like Jack and John Locke…could really have been chosen simply because they believe in miracle, themselves, and possibly changing the past.

    The end of this story is really going to tell if these people end up suckers…or heroes…

    Believing in John throughout the show, and Jack at this point really makes me look towards the FSW as being real…or at least they will be the ones to destroy it.

    Great thought…making me think about some things…

  28. Highbrow…I really dont think she is a smoke monster…she probably is not a smoke monster…but I dont think anyone can say for sure that she is not a smoke monster…
    …that I can say for sure…

    Honestly though…I dont think she is, but I could make sense out of it either way…

    I never thought I would say this…but if Jack cut Lockes head off at the end…I could somehow find pore satisfaction in it than in other proposed endings…like a repeat of the conversation on the beach from the S5 finale…

    Jack being so very much like Locke this year has quickly become my favorite character…carrying a flag for John Locke…couldnt have don it better myself…

    Although I shudder in thought of him falling a few feet short of victory…

    Hurley is still there, and I really could see John being Jacks “obie wan” against Flocke…

    I could see through mother, we all could…but there really didnt seem to be anything about her that represented both sides…

    The closest thing to it seems to be what many have criticized Jacob AND MIB for…”killing in the name of”…whatever they killed for…

    I do agree with Mother not having a scheme to drive the boys apart…It just seems…petty. I dont know…

    I would like to think that the woman who looked like Claudia, was in fact Claudia…but who knows who can change into what anymore…
    Last episode was the first time in a long time that I just sat and stared at the screen after it was over…not angry…not happy…just an endless series of possibilities running around.

    Many were mad that this episode was now, rather than earlier in the season, or broken up into our characters…I disagree.

    I think it was perfect so that when pieces begin to come together in “The Candidate”…this throws everyone off track…

    Its a distraction…a red herring.

    MIB or Jacob could have told us in 5 minutes what happened, or ten with both sides…but for us to see it ourselves…NOW…after all we know up to this point makes people question some of their deepest beliefs of the show since the beginning…it was quite beautifully done.

    Im really trying to see two sides to mother…I really am…but I only see one…the good side.

    Its not to say that MIB ever got a fair shake…not at all…
    Jacob, actually handled it better. I get that he saw his mother, but he still went to the well…he realized people were bad. He realized they were manipulative, and that their motives there were in no way good…and he still proceeded to follow along.

    Mother may have been a crazy old witch…seriously, she might have been a witch…
    But she also may have been protecting her children and the world from something very dark…lol, I almost wrote dork…ahem…sorry…

    Whatever the “light” did to MIB…he doesnt like it very much, at least it doesnt seem that way. I dont think he wants to die though, mostly because he says so…

    So that alone makes me really question how he is going to leave…

    Good comments highbrow…
    Im really trying to see the darkside in mother…I was really hoping to actually learn…to see her use the light for her own purpose…that would make me like her less…
    Very torn on this subject…

  29. DeadPakistaniOnYourCouch…you have 5 more days…then your off my couch, and out the door…
    Do you know how long I have been waiting to say that to you?

    You comment about Hawking…
    I dont know if it will be true…I dont know if anyone else likes it…
    But its the best thought I have heard all day on this show…

  30. Achalli…”Brother Smokey is Gruad”…
    That took 45 minutes…?

    Im joking…get back when you can…

    While Im at it…why play the game anymore…?

    Double long press…”select all”…double long press…”C&P”…

  31. Doublewide…I think its frozen because of a reaction, possibly on a nuclear type of level that produces EM energy and light when combined with the water, that obviously holds some significance…possibly more spiritual…possibly not…

    Creating negative energy…or antimatter…I really dont know anything about this…but on some level giving the island properties that would exemplify a blackhole or wormhole, allowing it to be contained and eventually controlled and possibly destroyed due to the orchid and the Swan…

    Meaning…that by saying that…it somewhat disproves my thought that the island is from the future…because the mechanism that is possibly the only thing that controls it…does not exist yet.

    Also, on a side note, the fact that MIB was building the wheel, only furthers the thought that he WAS Christian the entire time on island…being that he wanted Locke to turn the wheel…twice…

  32. bodao…Great thoughts…you had me the whole way until “Sayid”…

    I think it will be someone more important than him…sorry sayid lovers…

    But your talk about non losties got me to think about possibly Widmore and Hawking…

    Why did she leave…HOW did she leave…Submarine, or wheel?

    He wants so desperately to return…maybe she left, and it was his demise, or vice versa…

    Im still interested to know Richards role in all of this as well…

    Good thoughts…thanks for a great comment and ideas…

  33. Hi AES, this very topic was addressed last week in risebysin’s post: http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/fear-not-the-redemption-of-across-the-sea/

    I had made mention in comments that it was clear to me that ‘mother’ represented both qualities of light and dark, yin and yang and the appearance of Claudia to young Nemesis confirmed that there was a concerted effort to alienate affections between Jacob and Nemesis by her.

    Having said that, in order for the Universe to exist, both light and dark must exist to maintain balance and order. This has been highlighted previously in other theories posted on the site.

  34. I remember that one…Im not buying into the monster is MIB though.
    I think there is too much invested in “games” played between he and Jacob… to take that away from us wouldnt seem fair.

    I can buy into she was a monster though…for sure, but wouldnt be surprised either way at this point…

    Risebysins comments about the monster being in control I think are not entirely incorrect, but not correct either.

    The darkness that is the monster is granted the ability to change form, and I think with that ability, comes the sacrifice of control, and as he says…humanity.

    I think that the main reason that I believe there is to be only one (I dont even like LOTR), because the monster has to be on one side, and someone good has to be on the other…

    I think Mother was good…her intentions at least…maybe not her actions.
    But with those actions…if there is such a hell…it may be a sacrifice of the soul to be the islands protector.
    Jacob, technically being ‘clean’, gets reborn after his death…either that or there is some SERIOUS time travel going on behind the scenes…hence the little boy in the woods.

    I completely agree about both needing to exist…and I really believe that with the monster, the two sides can be of the same coin.

    Im still torn on this as said above…Im hoping for something definitive tonight, but I fear answers wont come until the end…

    Thanks for the comment Dabsi…good to see you here…
    Regardless of who she meant to have the job…MIB got it…and it seems Jacob wants it…someone call human resources…
    Enter the Dharma Initiative…

  35. All right, I’m doing this from my Droid so hopefully it works out.

    You bring up the issue of whether Mommy Dearest has a better half or not. And judging from the comments here it seems safe to say that most feel that she encapsulated both halves that Jacob and Brother Smokey represent. The Illuminatus Trilogy is partly based on Discordian thought. Discordianism believes that the real state of the universe is pure chaos (unrelatedness) and we construct our view of the chaos with how we look at it. But everyone looks at it differently and this causes problems. This seems to be what is going on with Jacob and Brother Smokey. Now Hagbard, one of the characters in Illuminatus, also believes that we compound the problem by pigeon holding and identifying things.

  36. My comment’s been split due to technical problems on my end. See my previous comment for the beginning of this

    So…. Hagbard and pigeon holes. Hagbard wrote in his pamphlet “Never Whistle While You’re Pissing”

    “The most thoroughly and relentlessly Damned, banned, excluded condemned, forbidden, ostracized, ignore, suppressed, repressed condemned, forbidden, ostracized, ignore, suppressed, repressed, robbed, brutalized and defamed of all Damned Things is the individual human being. The social engineers, statistician, psychologist, sociologists, market researchers, landlords, bureaucrats, captains of industry, bankers, governors, commissars, kings and presidents are perpetually forcing this Damned Thing into carefully prepared blueprints and perpetually irritated that the Damned Thing will not fit into the slot assigned it. The theologians call it a sinner and try to reform it. The governor calls it a criminal and tries to punish it. the psychologist calls it a neurotic and tries to cure it. Still, the Damned Thing will not fit into their slots.

    This is the problem we are having in trying to understand Lost. We are trying to identify what everything means and what it points to and are confused when we can’t make it fit in our world view neatly. Regardless of who currently (or had in the past) holds the different views the views exist.

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