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A Leader and A Great Man…What I lived for…

What They Died For was my favorite episode of the season so far…I think the biggest thing that happened was overshadowed by major expectations, and of course…Jacob…

This episode brought OUR characters back…many of them at least.
The people off island are who we know them for, most of them…and they are on track to help the others see what Des was trying to show them.
Hurley obviously remembers from his Ana Lucia comment…
Ben saw a punch in the face from another life through the rightful hands of Desmond Hume…
And in John Locke…I saw the John Locke I remember…the Man of Faith…

On island, we have Jack stepping up, being the person we all knew he was.
Lets be honest…we all knew Jack would eventually get to this point…whether he is allowed to follow through is yet to be determined.
His taking the role of Island Protector may possibly give him something that even Desmond Hume doesnt possess…physical connections with his on island self, hence the bleeding in the FSW.

I think its quite possible that Jack is only supposed to exist in one place because of his role…the island…

What they died for was, in my opinion put very well by Jacob…although the loose story also leaves everything open for a “Who is the good guy?” surprise at the end…lets not mistake sloppy storytelling for a plot twist…jacob still threw his brother into a place that was worse than death…in no way making him completely “good”.

This episode really put the entire show into perspective for me…and by doing so…there is no way I can be disappointed in the end…
Ive learned to accept what this show gives me, and to stop expecting so much in return…if I were the writers Id be wondering what some of you want from them…

They have given us an amazing story, with nothing but originality along the way…for every person that writes a theory saying “I wouldnt mind seeing this happen”…theres ten people saying “That would be the worst ending ever”…and I think more than anything, we as theorists, came up with so many beautiful ideas, that open minded individuals are the only ones who are going to not sit and wonder what they did with their lives for the last six years. If you are not ready for the unexpected…for what would possibly be a terrible ending, or what could even be something that doesnt even correspond with anything we really know, such as a Hanso, or another “Across the Sea” type of scenario.

They are telling THEIR story…they are doing things that have never been done, and pass or fail…its beautiful art.
Please take the time and effort to see it for what its worth.

I thought about some of these things that happened in “WTDF” throughout week, and realized how much I can really control what I like in the long run…

Several things were answered, and I have completely decided that what they give us is going to be enough for me at this point…here are some examples…

The ash I think becomes significant, as Jacobs touch does from a single scene that the episode title refers to…

In Jacob going off island and touching them off island, he also…

1)Proteceted them from self inflicted death…and honestly…I know it has some holes…but his touch is ultimately what I feel saved them from death in the crash of 815, and allowed them to make it this far.

2)Everyone can not see Jacob because he is burning the ash…only the candidates, or chosen ones…simply put…if Jacob touched you, you can he him after death when his ash is burned…
Its probably just some physical/conscious interaction, via Lost Mythology…
This is why Sawyer and Desmond see Jacob…Richard was never a candidate…he was a staff member.

I really liked what they did, and although everything was not exactly explained…they still explained what is necessary…its like “the light”…do you really think they will tell us EXACTLY what it is…

Dont yell at Lindelof and Cuse either…Lucas never told us what the force was…we just knew that it was part of a gift of “light” or “dark”, whichever the one in possession of it chose to use it as…This is the Light of the Island in my opinion…

Whatever you want it to be.
Call it a cop out, call it not answering everything…thats what it is. There is no answer to a power that can obviously be used for good or evil. It would be ridiculous to label something of that ability. It may be electromagnetic, but its power should still not be labeled in such a way.

This is why I believe that Mother MAY have been a smoke monster as well…although it may never be answered directly on the show…I assure you, it is the least of my worries at this point…

If she was in fact the only person on the island that was representing both sides, maybe this is why she passed it on to BOTH children…in hopes that neither ever had to go through that problem.
I wont like it if they dont tell us…but its something easy to live without.

The only other option is that there was another person in the equation that we never saw…some pakistani on my couch suggested that Eloise Hawking could be that opposite…this would be interesting actually.

If she is the opposite, it would tell why she seems to know everything on and off the island. It would also explain why she is so desperate to get the FSW to be reality…she plays the biggest role of all…giving instructions to Mr Desmond Hume…

People said it was Dans notebook before…so what is it now…?
The only thing I can think is that Des goes back in time and tells her. He tells her everything that happens, and that she needs to do these things to save the world…

Des does this, and upon doing it, destroys the island in the FSW, to stop it from happening…this is why the island still exists in 2007 now…because Des destroys it in the FSW past.

I think in doing so, he MAY also attempt to kill the Losties in the FSW future…
He is seemingly gathering them all together in the same place…hoping to “show them something”…what else could he be trying to do?

He has to be trying to kill them in at least one place or the other…
What does showing them anything do for them in the FSW?

Is it the music…are they going to play michael giacchinos themes from Lost and make everyone remember? Will David, Charlie, Liam, Dan, and whoever else play Chopan, and bring everyones consciousness together…maybe “You All Everybody”…or “Dharma Lady”…?
The most fun thing I could imagine would be to see them all go to a Geronimo Jackson concert together, lol…

Seriously though, does it snap them out of what is happening on the island, bring their full conscious together off island, wiping away the past horror of everything that happened?

That would make some sort of sense…but there would still be an island to protect, and a Monster in Black to kill…

That leaves us with the remaining four, and of course Locke, Ben, Miles…and I hope Richard…on the island…

The scene with Jacob explaining the reason why they are there was the most pivotal scene in the show thus-far…in my humble opinion…

I can see the issues with Jacob though…

Truth is, he had a choice…about as much as the one he gave the Losties really.

I really question of Jacob really brought the Losties to the island, or just “chose” them because he knew of them be cause they travelled back in time…that makes the most sense, and why he would visit Sawyer first chronologically speaking.
What if thats true, and he didnt actually chose them, they were already chosen due to travelling back in time. That would make Jacob simply the guy who tried to help them with something that they were going to go through no matter what.
NOBODY made any of them come back…everyone gets a choice…

The only reason its a choice, is because the ones who came back to the island, after they had left…are the ones who are the candidates…all except for James…he never left…
But he did make the choice to stay when he could have left on the helicopter…or sub…and he convinced Juliet from getting on the Sub as well.

Still, Sawyer seems to stand out. In another post I noted that james was the only one who was touched by Jacob BEFORE the incident happened. He was also the only one to break a mirror in the FSW…something I cant help but find significant.

Lets not forget either, way back when, the others had Jack, Hurley, Kate, and Sawyer on the dock…they let Hurley go to tell the other 815ers to stay away…but not revealing that these were the people on Jacobs list…THESE FOUR PEOPLE EXACTLY WERE THERE!

One last thing makes me question Sawyer as being very important…and its from season one…”White Rabbit”.

I think on top of everything that happened in that episode, I noticed something when watching it again…White is obviously a solid reference, as is Jack following him as Alice did the rabbit…
But in that episode, all of the candidates are seen wearing white shirts, many of them together…and the only one who is not seen in white…is James “Sawyer” Ford…
Ill give you three guesses what color his shirt was…

Nope, not turquoise…nope…he want pretty in pink that day…he was wearing black…

James Ford could very well be the one who MIB attempts to use as a way to get home…not sure how…but I think about people saying mother passed on the torch to both Jacob and MIB, I think about Jacob passing the torch to Jack, and I question who gets the job on the “dark” side…?

If its true that there has to be balance…in the force…why not Sawyer?
People have said this for quite some time that he could play that role…and in the end, it could help my theory of Kate killing him come true…

One thing that really throws me off is David…he is the only one that we are aware of, who didnt just lived longer than he did in another life…but exists in another life where he didnt in the past one.
That HAS to mean something for Jack, and could also mean something for a certain fertility doctor…there has to be a reason they havent shown her yet…makes some sort of sense.

This is why I think that Jack is not going to end up being the one to save the island. Its why I think that he has an even greater role to play…father.
He must be able to do what haunted him his entire life, his fathers inability to live up to HIS standards. He must be the father to David that Christian couldnt be to him…

Thats all if the FSW is left standing at the end of this monstrosity.

Its been mentioned now that Ben is most likely tricking the monster in some way.
He did have a plan from the beginning. He took the walkie talkies from Charles most obviously to use them in the future, but Im sure it was also done so that Charles couldnt hear what he was telling Locke outside.

Hopefully Miles makes it to the losties with the walkies before MIB gets him…and hopefully Ben was smart enough to turn his down so that if they try and contact him, “Locke” doesnt hear it…
Either way, Bens role will most likely be monumental at this point…

I really think this is leading us off course of something else happening and Jack not playing the role he has already accepted, or die in the process leaving someone else to have to do it But first he HAS to have the “Luke/Vader” showdown with Christian…now that Jack has replaced Jacob, I imagine MIB may be able to change forms again…this will possibly be how he knows it happened

As for who could take Jacks place…I think that by the process of necessity off island…Kate could very well end up being the one left.
IF Sayer ends up with Juliet, which I think he will…then Jacks Ex would have to be someone else most likely…I really think that it will be Juliet, but if not, then I think Sarah will be the one.

Hurley would have Libby off island, and he would have a reason not to be the person who stays.
Jack obviously David…

We dont know if James still has a daughter…if he does, then it would give him a reason to not be the protector…leaving only Kate…and wlthough her name is crossed off, its just a chalk line…and I think its possible that because of her unimportance off island, she may be the one who stays instead.

Seriously though…I cant get the idea of John Locke still being the one. I always thought it would be…but maybe his role will be important in a different way…regardless, I have hopes that one way or another, John Locke will save them all.

Now…Im going to end this with something I noticed, and I dont know if anyone else did…because they are real…I dont know how this could be a continuity error…

When Jacob is sitting around the campfire, telling them “what they died for”…we see all of the people plain and clear…and there is one thing VERY off with the whole thing…

Jack does not have his tattoos…

Call it an error if you want…but I have to ask…now that we have the FSW, is Jack missing what the tattoo says…Does he not only walk among us, but is he also now “one of us”…?

Dont forget though…thats what the tattoo says…but it means…A leader, a great man, lonely, frightened, and angry…now that the tattoo is gone…Jack doesnt have to be angry anymore…or lonely and frightened…he doesnt have to lead anyone but his son…

If Im right, Jack has a purpose in the FSW, and although Kate or James would do a bang up job protecting the island…I wouldnt want to see anyone but John Locke get the ultimate redemption, and have his faith rain true in being the last one left…and getting to hear him say “Dont tell me what I cant do”, one more time…

I very much see how this could all play into everyone getting what they want off island, but I cant help but think that there is still more to it, and that Desmond is up to something we couldnt predict in the FSW…that he is going to show them something…unexpected…

No matter what happens, this has been a great ride, and thank you ALL very much for everything over the years…I keep saying its my last post, its my last post…and I keep writing another one…but anything else at this point has most likely been pointed out already…

If someone can get some confirmation of the tattoos (my DVR did NOT record the episode)…it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again to everyone here at theoriesonlost, Emzi, and everyone that ever commented on one of my posts…I seriously dont know what Im going to do when its over…but I cannot WAIT to see what happens…and there is NO ending or lack of information that would EVER change my view of this show, and what it has given me over the last few years.

Im sure Ill have a million things to add to this, but I really am not planning another theory…

Last week we found out what exactly the people died for, and what most likely Jack sacrificed for…the very same episode I realized why I watched this show…and the end, the finale…is what I lived for…

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME!!!
ENJOY THE FINALE…and I cannot wait to discuss everything that happens with everyone when its all over…

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Abbot Enheduanna Schwarzschild

7 thoughts on “A Leader and A Great Man…What I lived for…

  1. Im looking at what I can find on Lostpedia…it only shows them all around the fire from a distance…I cannot tell…but Jacks shirt may be covering the tattoos.

    I caught it in the episode airing, seems kind of stupid if they are there… and Ive been hoping someone else would bring it up…

  2. I never get disappointed when I see a new AES theory in the list..great post again. Really, it all makes so much sense. If Juliet ends up with Sawyer in FSW, which I think she will, David will be ‘motherless’ then and thus needs Jack in his life.

    It would be a good twist if Jack indeed doesn’t end up being the last man standing on the island. But on the other hand, I want him to be the last man standing, I want him to take down “Locke” in a final ultimate standoff. But I guess that’s why him not ending up as Leader would be a good twist, because it’s pretty unexpected and it would make for a twist putting the entire season in a different perspective.

    Will probably be readin this again later, I gotta hurry now.

  3. A very good theory as always AES. First I am glad that you brought up the subject of choice. As you are aware, but some others here may not be aware, I’ve advocated the position that everyone has a choice simply with the ability to say ‘NO.’ With Jack stepping up to the plate to take over from Jacob, Jack is effectively saying ‘NO’ to Brother Smokey and all he stands for. As long as their is another possibility to consider, everyone has a choice.

    Now on to the subject of getting the answers from the show and how the writers have been handling it. One of my earliests post (I am going over this again for the benefit of those who may have not seen it), entitled “Fallout, could Lost Be Going the Way Of The Prisoner,” I discussed how, like Lost, fans of The Prisoner were hounding the writer/creator of the show for the answers to the questions of what the Village was, who controlled the Village, and who was No. 1. On the surface the finale of the Prisoner not only seemed to not answer anything, it seemed to destroy the whole show all together. However, if one really thought about what the show was all about (thinking for yourself, you are the only one controlling your life) the finale actually answered all the questions, just not in the way the fans expected. with seeing how a lot of people are reacting here to how the writers are tying everything up I’m convinced now more than ever that they are attempting to pull of a similar feat with the ending of Lost. what ever happens in the end i will walk away with experiencing one of the best shows I have ever seen and will continue to rewatch it for years to come.

    I would also like to point out that with any journey/quest that the end is never as important as what was learned and experienced on the journey. What the characters have gone through has had more impact than what they may find at the end.

    Another thing would be to look back at the show and realized they have answered a lot already. The numbers for instance. Although we all are aware of the Valenzetti Equation, to the best of my knowledge no one has actually ever mentioned it on screen. The only place we see the numbers pop up in relation to DHARMA at the beginning is when they are imprinted on the door to the Swan. Pure and simple; although admitedly I may be proven wrong by the finale but until then that is the answer to the numbers.

    My final piece of advice is to do one of two things: do as Chiefof16 has said and wait until you have seen the finale before making judgement, or you should just not expect to be given the answers easilly and work it out for yourself.

  4. This is the conversation between Hurley, Ana Lucia, and Desmond off island…does it sound like they are just going to a concert…or does it sound more like “This plane’s headed for Guam”…?

    “HURLEY: Oh, hey, you didn’t tell me Ana Lucia was gonna be here.
    ANA LUCIA: Do I know you, tubby?
    HURLEY: Oh, no. We never met. Anyways, here’s your money. A hundred twenty-five grand, right?
    ANA LUCIA: Yeah, that’r right. Nice not knowing you.
    HURLEY: She’s not coming with us?
    DESMOND: No, she’s not ready yet.
    HURLEY: I brought you my Camaro. The keys are under the floor mat. Everything else you need’s in the trunk.
    DESMOND: All right, good. . . Um, you know where you’re taking them, yeah?
    HURLEY: Absolutely.
    DESMOND: All right, well, we should get going. [to Sayid} Okay, you’re with him, and you’re with me.
    KATE: What do you mean, I’m with you?
    DESMOND: We . . . are going to a concert. [hands Kate a black dress] Let’s go.”

    I cant help but think that the island is not done with them yet…even in the FSW…

  5. Holy cow! I think you’re right. After rereading that conversation it does appear that they are going to …yeah, that’s it, Guam. Yeah that’s it Guam. Wink wink nudge nudge.

  6. Hi AES, very nice read as per usual!

    Now is the last time I will be online until after I see the finale, I’m on the other side of the world so I won’t be watching it until about 12 hours after you guys will be so I don’t want to be spoiled… so I thought I would do what Desmond did with “Our Mutual Friend”, and have an “AES-theory” be the last thing I read before the big finale…

    I like what you said about the writers and the show, I too have accepted what they have given us and I don’t think I will be disappointed with the ending, however it will end. I have enjoyed the journey, being as much interwoven with the lives of the Losties as they are with each other that I’m sure whatever does happen in the end, will happen for a reason.

    I too believe that David is going to be significant in the end, and great point in mentioning James’ daughter, and Desmond’s son – we are most probably going to see the Losties placed in compromising situations.

    I am rooting for Juliet to be David’s mother. If Juliet and Sawyer meet in the finale and live happily ever after, and Jack and Kate meet and get together, David is going to have an epic set of parents and step-parents! 😉

    I’m on the redemption/karma path, I truly believe that the lives of the Losties in the FSW are as a result of their actions on the island. I am going to stick with this until I see the finale, and what would make me happy to see, because I truly think Sayid redeemed himself…is if Shannon made an appearance in the FSW in the finale.

    I’ve just re-watched Season 2, and I think everyone has forgotten that Sayid declared his love to Shannon. I don’t listen to podcasts or read-up on Lost rumours so maybe people have given up on Shannon because it’s been reported that the actress isn’t coming back? I’m not sure, but, I’m just gonna hold onto this because Sayid put his life on the line numerous times for the Losties, something good has got to happen for him. He said to MIB “the love of my life died in my arms”. Both Nadia and Shannon died in his arms in the original timeline. So Sayid is a playa? That’s ok with me, love is love, you can’t help how you feel about a person…

    I have not given up on Jacob, I realise he is not “good”, but I don’t think he is evil. Although I felt sorry for MIB in Across the Sea, I felt just as bad for Jacob. We expected Jacob to know better, but, all he knew was what he had been taught from Mother, this senile lady who smashed his birth mother to death. MIB knew better, but that’s because he had insight, he was special, poor ol’ Jacob was just – regular. It was like Jacob was suffering from Stockholm syndrome, ok, nothing like what real Stockholm syndrome sufferers have gone through!! But while Wikipedi-ing that term, I found that a psychiatrist had described it as a “primitive gratitude for the gift of life”, which is how and why I feel Jacob was so loyal to Mother, and was so devastated by her death that he did what he did to Brother.

    I will not be surprised if Jacob has had a hand in orchestrating the FSW… purely from the point of view that the Losties that he hand-picked, are now leading better lives. Maybe he granted their karma, their re-birth, after they redeemed themselves on the island.

    Ah gosh I’m sorry for hijacking your thread-wall! Will catch you and everyone else (hopefully nobody jumps off a cliff after it) after the finale 🙂

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