Comments on: A Shepherd’s Ending

By: boogah11

boogah11 — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:46:35 +0000

Yeah, AngiveL, the whole campfire, ashes, Jacob thing makes my head spin. I figured the ashes would be used in some final showdown to protect the eventual candidate, or Kate, or something cool like that.

I need some damn answers, dammit. AES, tell me what happened and why please!

By: AngiveL

AngiveL — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:36:50 +0000

boogah11 – I now what you’re saying.
But that was thanks to the Ashes(his own, right..?)

I almost shit myself when I realized what Jacob was using it for – THEIR ONLY DEFENS AGAINST NEMESIS, wasted(though they didn’t need it in the end.)

But I mean, what the Hell was the deal with the ashes..? Are we supposed to asume all the ashes we’ve seen(around the cabin – Bram’s, the Temple)all come from former Protectors – or what..?

And why did it become useless in the Temple when Dogen died..?

By: boogah11

boogah11 — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:28:32 +0000

I guess if only Hurley can see the dead that would make Jacob’s little S’more’s session with the Final Four pretty hard to explain…..

By: AngiveL

AngiveL — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:21:20 +0000

A.E.S. – absolutely – I know Hurley is the only one who can see them(didn’t bother to mention it though)but he was on the Island from the “beginning” Boone died pretty early on(and hiw voice have been heard commenting Shannon in the Whispers so…)
My point is – they could have “come forward” to talk to Hurley anytime..

One thing though – I can’t remember for sure, but doesn’t Nemesis admit to needing the body of the one he takes the appearence of – ON the Island..?

I believe he says so to Jack(which may be why – the DI was ordered to bury bodys deep)”Why John Locke..? Bla, bla, bla – and you were nice enough to bring his body back..” We have Yemi, Alex, “Christian”

So the first “Isabella” was most likely Richard simply being delirious. Not Nemesis being able to be in two places at once(And yes, I know we saw several small whiskers of Smoke – but that was a long time ago – and probably had a reason for them – THEN)

Now, another thing if I’m not mistaking
I think Damon and Cuse(though I find it hard to believe anything they say now)
said – either in a podcast, or at comic-con that not all appearences on the Island was Nemesis(this was pre Nemesis-Locke though)and among those was ben’s Mother.. am I wrong – does anyone remember..?

By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue

ilieintheshadowofthestatue — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:31:54 +0000

Chief, many of those appearances of supposedly dead people don’t seem to make a whole lot of sense to me either. But I think we can assume that most or all appearances to Hurley were different, they were simply spirits of dead people. Simple, huh?

By: A.E.S.

A.E.S. — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:55:26 +0000

Good post btw Shep…I think that these were these peoples constants after the journey was all said and done…some remained the same, and others changed, but were all the things that got them to the next step in their journey…

By: A.E.S.

A.E.S. — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:53:54 +0000

Here’s the thing…

Ive been listening to old podcasts from ABC, and in the one before Across the Sea, Darlton is asked the question about dead people appearing on Lost…the answer basically states that Hurley was the only one who could see the dead, and if someone else saw the dead…than it was MIB/Smokie…

Remember, this is before Across the Sea, so MIB seeing his mother does not play into this…

It can be debated, but the creators gave their answer in that podcast…

By: bobt

bobt — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:17:32 +0000

@AngiveL
great comments!

By: AngiveL

AngiveL — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:05:18 +0000

I’m going with my I’ve always thought – Christian Wasn’t supposed to be Nemesis.
I believe Christian would initially have a much bigger/active part – I certainly expetcted to see more after his encounter with Sun and Frank(I think This MAY have been the point when they decided – but I’m not even convinced)

the Lost Missing Peices(that I’m asuming you’ve all seen)Is supposed to be 100% canon. They are literally missing pesices of events on the Island – with our characters.

Now, we know Nemesis is a good lier – but I don’t think he’d feel the need to decieve Vincent – nor make a remark to himself about his son having “Work to do..”

No, Christian(On the frieghter at least)couldn’t have been Nemesis could he – he can’t move over water.

Michael couldn’t die – couldn’t commit suicide and couldn’t even be murdered(Keamys gun jamming)he can back out of guilt – to help the ones he hurt.
And he sacrifised himself for them.

He sends Jin of to be with his wife and son to be child – this is his redemption-scene(Which made me chocked to hear he was “Cursed to stay” I don’t think that was ever the plan – just a quick way out to explain the Whispers, which btw I strongly believe was supposed to be something entirely else – possibly an overlapping demension/timeline – but not just – “the Dead” Makes absolutely no sense why – if they can appear clear as day(Harper/Jacob/Isabella/Eko(We don’t see him but Hurley plays chess with him)Charlie/Michael/Might be forgetting someone, but..Why wouldn’t they appear earlier and help more..?

Now, Christian’s appearance here – I believe was Himself/the Island/Some “Good Entity” – anything but Nemesis.

By: bobt

bobt — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 02:41:41 +0000

@kimberly,
great thoughts!
yes I think we’re kind of on the same page, both Ben and Michael are both prevented from moving on because of remorse..

But I think Ben will take this opportunity to continue living out his alternate life. He has so much to do, for Alex specifically. Think about this; maybe when all of the Lost characters became “aware” of their death, they also realized who and what was real in the alternate life. Jack realized he really didn’t have a son. Locke might of realized his fiance already died and moved on. But perhaps Ben realizes Alex really is Alex! And when Alex comes to, maybe he could have the same moment with her as Jack had with his Dad..hopeful thinking I guess, hey that’s the best thing about theorizing now! Whose to say I’m wrong?!

Locke saying “I forgive you” to Ben before going into the church meant more than anything to Ben. It would mean so much more if Alex could say those same words!

And that, I believe, is the difference between those trapped on island and Ben. Those trapped on island have no way to work out their issues. They seem to be more “aware” than other souls, they observe reality, people living their real lives..they can talk to people like Hurley..