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		<title>By: highbrow</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/men-in-black-3-dharma-time/#comment-34206</link>
		<dc:creator>highbrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob&#039;s touch is another example of Jacob&#039;s power... even though we don&#039;t know for sure exactly what it did, we know it wasn&#039;t insignificant.  Jacob is also able to bring people to the island which may actually be the same power or something similar.  

The conversation between Jacob and Adam when Jacob gave him the wine bottle kind of indicates that it&#039;s Jacob who will be replaced.  Adam says he&#039;ll kill him and Jacob warns him that he&#039;ll just be replaced...  We don&#039;t really have any reason to believe that this is a misdirection... nobody other than the audience was privy to their conversation.  It would be silly for them to lie to each other about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob&#8217;s touch is another example of Jacob&#8217;s power&#8230; even though we don&#8217;t know for sure exactly what it did, we know it wasn&#8217;t insignificant.  Jacob is also able to bring people to the island which may actually be the same power or something similar.  </p>
<p>The conversation between Jacob and Adam when Jacob gave him the wine bottle kind of indicates that it&#8217;s Jacob who will be replaced.  Adam says he&#8217;ll kill him and Jacob warns him that he&#8217;ll just be replaced&#8230;  We don&#8217;t really have any reason to believe that this is a misdirection&#8230; nobody other than the audience was privy to their conversation.  It would be silly for them to lie to each other about that.</p>
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		<title>By: kingmonte</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/men-in-black-3-dharma-time/#comment-34100</link>
		<dc:creator>kingmonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 10:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have watched the series, I&#039;ve tried to keep tabs of who were the &quot;good&quot; guys and who were the &quot;bad&quot; guys, only to come to the conclusion that all the characters are essentially flawed and all have performed some truly egregious acts in an effort to protect the purity/sanctity of the Island or some personal and idealized set of convictions. Make no exception for Jacob, for ultimately it was anger, sadness and jealousy disguised as an act to protect the island from corruption that lead to the killing, or at the very least a brutal and violent assault on his very own brother. 

I think in fact that it is Adam, as you call him, who has been the protector of the island, as said by A.E.S. This does seem to be the plan the mother intended, but I think Jacob picked up on her method of manipulating the circumstances to arrive at an outcome of her desire and perfected it. Jacob then began to develop is own game, to be played by his own set of rules, just as suggested by Adam when they were talking as children. From the moment Jacob sent Adam floating into the tunnel of light...on...Jacob used his mother&#039;s tactics of manipulation to deceive and control all those he contacts. I&#039;m not positive that Jacob has absolutely no special abilities or &quot;powers&quot;, but he has managed to convince all those on the island that he is special, without anyone really seeing any proof (besides Richard of course, but even Richard&#039;s immortality could be attributed to his contact with Adam and not Jacob). 

There are many themes that run throughout lost, but for the sake of this idea, I can&#039;t help but focus on the theme of manipulation and it&#039;s importance to each character&#039;s perception.  And how many times have many different character&#039;s alluded to the fact that Jacob, and his relevance to the island, is grounded on faith and speculation, most of which originated with Jacob himself? 

It&#039;s hard to imagine that Adam himself has been tricked into believing that Jacob is the man at the top of the totem pole, and maybe Adam knows the truth, but even Adam has made several comments to people not to talk to Jacob because he can be so convincing.

So what if the candidate that Jacob has been looking for all along is not a replacement for his position, but actually a replacement for the man in black? Not only would the candidate be a new protector of the island that Jacob considers to be more worthy or deserving of such a title, but also in replacing Adam, the candidate could finally complete what Jacob was unable to do himself all these years...eliminate his brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have watched the series, I&#8217;ve tried to keep tabs of who were the &#8220;good&#8221; guys and who were the &#8220;bad&#8221; guys, only to come to the conclusion that all the characters are essentially flawed and all have performed some truly egregious acts in an effort to protect the purity/sanctity of the Island or some personal and idealized set of convictions. Make no exception for Jacob, for ultimately it was anger, sadness and jealousy disguised as an act to protect the island from corruption that lead to the killing, or at the very least a brutal and violent assault on his very own brother. </p>
<p>I think in fact that it is Adam, as you call him, who has been the protector of the island, as said by A.E.S. This does seem to be the plan the mother intended, but I think Jacob picked up on her method of manipulating the circumstances to arrive at an outcome of her desire and perfected it. Jacob then began to develop is own game, to be played by his own set of rules, just as suggested by Adam when they were talking as children. From the moment Jacob sent Adam floating into the tunnel of light&#8230;on&#8230;Jacob used his mother&#8217;s tactics of manipulation to deceive and control all those he contacts. I&#8217;m not positive that Jacob has absolutely no special abilities or &#8220;powers&#8221;, but he has managed to convince all those on the island that he is special, without anyone really seeing any proof (besides Richard of course, but even Richard&#8217;s immortality could be attributed to his contact with Adam and not Jacob). </p>
<p>There are many themes that run throughout lost, but for the sake of this idea, I can&#8217;t help but focus on the theme of manipulation and it&#8217;s importance to each character&#8217;s perception.  And how many times have many different character&#8217;s alluded to the fact that Jacob, and his relevance to the island, is grounded on faith and speculation, most of which originated with Jacob himself? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine that Adam himself has been tricked into believing that Jacob is the man at the top of the totem pole, and maybe Adam knows the truth, but even Adam has made several comments to people not to talk to Jacob because he can be so convincing.</p>
<p>So what if the candidate that Jacob has been looking for all along is not a replacement for his position, but actually a replacement for the man in black? Not only would the candidate be a new protector of the island that Jacob considers to be more worthy or deserving of such a title, but also in replacing Adam, the candidate could finally complete what Jacob was unable to do himself all these years&#8230;eliminate his brother.</p>
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		<title>By: highbrow</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/men-in-black-3-dharma-time/#comment-34046</link>
		<dc:creator>highbrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 12:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I was commenting on another post and decided that they&#039;re both supposed to be the island&#039;s protector, only Adam isn&#039;t playing along.  I think that mother had intended for them to share the burden, Adam with the dark, Jacob with the light, but things went all crazy.  Now the dark is trying to escape the island instead of staying to preserve the balance.  Jacob is dead, so the balance is upset... Now all that&#039;s left is evil until the balance is restored.  I think Adam is going to be destroyed and so someone is going to have to take his place but I wonder who that&#039;s going to be... or maybe it&#039;ll be one person to represent both like the mother did...

I wonder...  Does anyone think that all there is under the island is the light?  Maybe there&#039;s dark too... like maybe light under the Swan and Dark under the Orchid or maybe the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I was commenting on another post and decided that they&#8217;re both supposed to be the island&#8217;s protector, only Adam isn&#8217;t playing along.  I think that mother had intended for them to share the burden, Adam with the dark, Jacob with the light, but things went all crazy.  Now the dark is trying to escape the island instead of staying to preserve the balance.  Jacob is dead, so the balance is upset&#8230; Now all that&#8217;s left is evil until the balance is restored.  I think Adam is going to be destroyed and so someone is going to have to take his place but I wonder who that&#8217;s going to be&#8230; or maybe it&#8217;ll be one person to represent both like the mother did&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder&#8230;  Does anyone think that all there is under the island is the light?  Maybe there&#8217;s dark too&#8230; like maybe light under the Swan and Dark under the Orchid or maybe the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: highbrow</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/men-in-black-3-dharma-time/#comment-34042</link>
		<dc:creator>highbrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 12:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see the purge again.  There&#039;s not enough time for it...  I think part of the purpose of this episode was to show us certain things and how they&#039;d happened in the past so that we can better understand how/why they happened later as an indirect way of answering island mysteries.  So when mommy dearest kills off the Men in Black, we&#039;re seeing the purge again.

While I can definitely see the merit behind those ideas I really don&#039;t think we have time left in the series to have more of this kind of deception.  Jacob is the island&#039;s protector.  If it was just a trick on the part of his mother why would he have any powers now?  He obviously has them, right?  How old is Richard?  

Adam seems to be willing to tear the island apart in order to leave it...  We&#039;ve already seen once for sure how he allowed people to eff with the island&#039;s power, and if this theory holds then he did it at least one other time with the DI.  Protector indeed.  

@I_Am_Jacob:  The sonic fence is dumb, scientifically.  I&#039;m sure the DI had a plan when they set theirs up and when they put the Swan and Orchid outside the fence... they had to put those stations where the energy pockets were, right?  They must have had a deal with Smokey.  I can see them hiding it from the others, but not from him.  Besides, I believe the fence is just for show.  The DI is in cahoots with the monster and they have a back door built in for him to have access to the barracks.  It doesn&#039;t keep the others out either since Richard is indestructible... he can walk right through it.

Charles Widmore, apparently, isn&#039;t so good at planning his fences since the last time he set one up he left the generator on the outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see the purge again.  There&#8217;s not enough time for it&#8230;  I think part of the purpose of this episode was to show us certain things and how they&#8217;d happened in the past so that we can better understand how/why they happened later as an indirect way of answering island mysteries.  So when mommy dearest kills off the Men in Black, we&#8217;re seeing the purge again.</p>
<p>While I can definitely see the merit behind those ideas I really don&#8217;t think we have time left in the series to have more of this kind of deception.  Jacob is the island&#8217;s protector.  If it was just a trick on the part of his mother why would he have any powers now?  He obviously has them, right?  How old is Richard?  </p>
<p>Adam seems to be willing to tear the island apart in order to leave it&#8230;  We&#8217;ve already seen once for sure how he allowed people to eff with the island&#8217;s power, and if this theory holds then he did it at least one other time with the DI.  Protector indeed.  </p>
<p>@I_Am_Jacob:  The sonic fence is dumb, scientifically.  I&#8217;m sure the DI had a plan when they set theirs up and when they put the Swan and Orchid outside the fence&#8230; they had to put those stations where the energy pockets were, right?  They must have had a deal with Smokey.  I can see them hiding it from the others, but not from him.  Besides, I believe the fence is just for show.  The DI is in cahoots with the monster and they have a back door built in for him to have access to the barracks.  It doesn&#8217;t keep the others out either since Richard is indestructible&#8230; he can walk right through it.</p>
<p>Charles Widmore, apparently, isn&#8217;t so good at planning his fences since the last time he set one up he left the generator on the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: A.E.S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2010/05/men-in-black-3-dharma-time/#comment-34026</link>
		<dc:creator>A.E.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 05:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant help but feel that it was MIB that was assigned the protector of the island. You said yourself that the smoke was known as the islands security system...

I think its meant to seem like Jacob is, but MIB is doing the job unknowingly almost.

And Jacob bringing people to the island doesnt seem very secure...MIB doesnt want them there...he is now preaching his mothers words, &quot;They come, they fight, they destroy, and they corrupt&quot;...

I know he is looking for a candidate, but Mommy taking him to the well/light and telling him &quot;and dont go down there&quot; is like a mother telling her kid not to push a button...wouldnt you want to know what the button did?


She gave Jacob every ingredient necessary to transform MIB into the monster.

She killed MIBs people, drawing him in to kill her, trying to possibly show one of them that people are indeed evil...EVEN thanking him afterwards...

She knew what was coming, and wanted to die.

She showed Jacob where the well was, telling him that it causes something much worse than death...and Jacob knowing he cant kill MIb, does the next best thing he can think...

And by doing so, all the times she told MIB he was special, or tried to push manipulation as a good thing was ultimately setting HIM up to become the islands protector.

So...do you also think we will go back and see the purge and whatnot from the past?
I dont even know if Im on topic anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant help but feel that it was MIB that was assigned the protector of the island. You said yourself that the smoke was known as the islands security system&#8230;</p>
<p>I think its meant to seem like Jacob is, but MIB is doing the job unknowingly almost.</p>
<p>And Jacob bringing people to the island doesnt seem very secure&#8230;MIB doesnt want them there&#8230;he is now preaching his mothers words, &#8220;They come, they fight, they destroy, and they corrupt&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I know he is looking for a candidate, but Mommy taking him to the well/light and telling him &#8220;and dont go down there&#8221; is like a mother telling her kid not to push a button&#8230;wouldnt you want to know what the button did?</p>
<p>She gave Jacob every ingredient necessary to transform MIB into the monster.</p>
<p>She killed MIBs people, drawing him in to kill her, trying to possibly show one of them that people are indeed evil&#8230;EVEN thanking him afterwards&#8230;</p>
<p>She knew what was coming, and wanted to die.</p>
<p>She showed Jacob where the well was, telling him that it causes something much worse than death&#8230;and Jacob knowing he cant kill MIb, does the next best thing he can think&#8230;</p>
<p>And by doing so, all the times she told MIB he was special, or tried to push manipulation as a good thing was ultimately setting HIM up to become the islands protector.</p>
<p>So&#8230;do you also think we will go back and see the purge and whatnot from the past?<br />
I dont even know if Im on topic anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 04:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I really liked what you said &quot;This is kind of a vindication of Jacob in a way because I think she reached her decision to forgive him based on things Jacob had taught her&quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I really liked what you said &#8220;This is kind of a vindication of Jacob in a way because I think she reached her decision to forgive him based on things Jacob had taught her&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>By: I_Am_Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>I_Am_Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks ago i was actually going to write a post asking why the sonic fences weren&#039;t around all the Dharma stations. i never got round to it but maybe if the thoughts here ring true then my question has been answered.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago i was actually going to write a post asking why the sonic fences weren&#8217;t around all the Dharma stations. i never got round to it but maybe if the thoughts here ring true then my question has been answered&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: highbrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>highbrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be a twist... I&#039;ve been looking at the list of known DHARMA members on the island and if the smoke monster actually is one of them then Radzinsky would be my first guess.  The only problem is why did he kill himself?  I guess maybe he could do stuff like that just to eff with Inman...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be a twist&#8230; I&#8217;ve been looking at the list of known DHARMA members on the island and if the smoke monster actually is one of them then Radzinsky would be my first guess.  The only problem is why did he kill himself?  I guess maybe he could do stuff like that just to eff with Inman&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ekolocation</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekolocation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps smokie took the form of Radzinsky? WHAT A TWIST! haha but radzinsky seemed really focused on getting the swan built. digging. maybe he was influenced be smokie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps smokie took the form of Radzinsky? WHAT A TWIST! haha but radzinsky seemed really focused on getting the swan built. digging. maybe he was influenced be smokie</p>
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		<title>By: highbrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>highbrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam has already admitted to being Christian at least once (when Jack saw him on the beach and chased him into the jungle)... I&#039;m not sure to what extent the appearances of Christian were really just Adam.  Maybe not all of them were.  I don&#039;t see any reason for him to appear to Locke at that point as Christian since Locke didn&#039;t know Christian from Adam (ha ha)... but then again, the line &quot;say hello to my son&quot; gave Locke a convenient conversation starter for when he met Jack at the hospital...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam has already admitted to being Christian at least once (when Jack saw him on the beach and chased him into the jungle)&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure to what extent the appearances of Christian were really just Adam.  Maybe not all of them were.  I don&#8217;t see any reason for him to appear to Locke at that point as Christian since Locke didn&#8217;t know Christian from Adam (ha ha)&#8230; but then again, the line &#8220;say hello to my son&#8221; gave Locke a convenient conversation starter for when he met Jack at the hospital&#8230;</p>
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