Comments on: Widmore/Hawkins – Let down!

By: ilieintheshadowofthestatue

ilieintheshadowofthestatue — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:12:41 +0000

Let’s face it: Lost can’t be explained or understood.

By: bobt

bobt — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:10:19 +0000

One other thing; I can believe Widmore’s purpose and Jacob’s plan were different. Widmore brough Des so he could time/dimension travel, but Jacob’s only intention was so he could remove the cork…

By: bobt

bobt — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:05:06 +0000

@Inquisitor, sorry I meant to get back to you earlier..
What you’re saying could be correct, and it is the simplest explanation..that Widmore brought Des to the Island simply to withstand the electromagnetism at the light source..
I’m still not buying it though..

Just think of all that electromagnetic equipment at the Hydra; the coils, the box, the generator etc. Why do you think that was there in the first place? I believe the DI was testing it on…maybe…Polar Bears? Maybe humans too. My theory is, they were attempting to replicate what the Island’s energy did to people in the first place; and that is, it made their consciousness time travel, such as Desmond and Minkowski. They were probably attempting to do it at a smaller scale and a more controlled method..

So that is why I am hung up on this…I refuse to believe that generator and coils were there just to test people/animals to whether or not they survived electromagnetism..

By: Inquisitor

Inquisitor — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:36:49 +0000

bobt, you’re correct in surmising that Widmore never said that is what Jacob told him to do with Desmond. However, he doesn’t say that he didn’t say it, either.

As far as I can remember, Widmore said that Jacob told Widmore to bring Desmond as a fail-safe. My thinking is that Jacob wanted Desmond to go into the Source; why else would Desmond’s ability be so important? Jacob knew Smokey came from the Source, and he knew anyone other than Desmond going into it would be killed or whatever. I’m not sure Jacob knew or thought he knew what Desmond could do once he was inside, but I think it’s kind of obvious that if you’re going to try and kill something like Smokey, you might as well head to where it all began.

Jacob tells Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hugo (What They Died For) that he does not know if Smokey can be killed or not. Jacob thinks Desmond is the fail-safe because he’s the only one that can safely go into the Source, and therefore the only one that can try whatever there is down there that may or may not do it. Smokey has the same idea for destroying the Island. Two different opinions about the results of one action. In a funny way, it did both.

By: bobt

bobt — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:09:57 +0000

Inquisitor, what?! I think there was a bigger purpose than just “surviving the EM energy”, although you’re right, Widmore did say Des is the only person known to survive it…
But being lowered into the Source and unplugging the cork was MIB’s idea to destroy the island, NOT Jacob’s instructions. I don’t believe Jacob ever gave instructions for that to happen..But Des figured he could do something more (they were leading us to believe)when he went into the source and experienced the EM energy again..
I’m eager to watch that episode again to see if Widmore said that Jacob told him to bring Des to the source and remove cork, I don’t believe that’s the case..

By: Inquisitor

Inquisitor — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:59:40 +0000

Oh my goodness, I think the obvious has been overlooked by everyone here!

After Desmond is locked inside the cage with the solenoid coils, Jin demands to know what is happening. Widmore replies that Desmond is the only person alive to ever survive a catastrophic EM event, and that he needs to know if he can do it again. Why? Because he knows that if Desmond can in fact survive the EM energy, he can be lowered safely into the Source to unplug the cork, as per instructions from Jacob.

It had nothing to do with the flash-sideways or near death anything; Widmore says it in plain English. It’s a test to see if Desmond can handle the EM energy.

By: wolfx

wolfx — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:15:51 +0000

You’re absolutly correct Bob and thanks for the reality check ha..ha.

By: bobt

bobt — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:15:27 +0000

wolfx, ya either they’re on vacation, or if they see any talk about afterlife they yawn and go to the next site
..yes, I agree, it would be a stretch for Widmore to think of traveling beyond death..so either an Alternate timeline or to the past; and in that line of thinking, Alternate timeline is a stretch too..

By: wolfx

wolfx — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:55:27 +0000

Looks like everyone else is on vacation!
If we want to say true to our argument it may be a stretch that Widmore thought Des would time travel to his death. Therefore he probably thought Des might be able to time travel say to the past and prevent the Smoke M from ever evolving or not letting 815 crash, etc.

By: bobt

bobt — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:43:39 +0000

@wolfx,
that’s an excellent question! I should have thought that through..

I believe Widmore and his team believed it was an Alternate timeline..Just as Desmond believed it was an Alternate timeline, until he couldn’t make it back when he unplugged the cork..that’s when he fully realized it and Jack also told him, there are no second chances to life.

The real purpose of it was, and this was a detail Jacob left out when he explained to Widmore; because they believed in it, they were no longer afraid of dying.

I know that’s kind of vague…I was writing out a huge answer and rambling on for an entire page.. I thought I’d just leave it at that..

Anybody else, thoughts? Wolfx, what do you think?