For suspense and to get us to tune in next week. I don’t think there was any other motive (when written and aired) than as a set piece to up the stakes as such. They are on an adventure to find the cockpit for the radio. Wow, pilot is alive, great, brilliant, oh crap weird smoke thing just grabbed him and ripped him to pieces. As AES said, for both the viewers and characters, how does that happen? It also provides an element of suspense rather than surprise over the smoke monster (when you know what could happen, all encounters are more suspensful). It changes the scene from an adventure to a thriller, and for the viewers, lets us know early on that this isn’t an ordinary ‘people crash landed on a deserted island’ story, something else is going on here and it’s weird, supernatural, mean and scary.
I think that later on as the story developed and other characters were introduced, the writers came back to Seth to add depth to the story, for eg. how do we connect Lapidus to the losties? what if he was meant to be there, how? lets make him the original pilot, it also helps to question Widmore’s fake.
They were going to kill someone in that episode before even the major characters and storylines were hashed out, Jack was an option which means that his character arc and massive importance to the ending wasn’t anywhere near thought of or developed. This is why I don’t think there was any pre awareness or meaning behind his death other than to get us to keep watching and to scare the losties, to give them some knowledge of what they were up against.

I know this theory has come from a bit of a different perspective as some of the others. I don’t feel I can see Lost as a piece that was complete when it was started, if that makes sense. I don’t think they had many of the details sorted out at all until they got there, so I’m looking at this from the what did it mean as they wrote it perspective, how did it progress the story then and there.

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A.E.S.’ wonderful (as always) entry post really brought a unique perspective to the purpose of Smokie’s scan. [Please read it first as it deserves no spoiling.]

{scroll down – but not much to continue this exercise}

So, who are all the people we know Smokie scanned – and was there a manifestation of a painful memory apparition in response. (And, I don’t mean ‘painful’ in the Nikki bit by a spider way – though it would be interesting to include/consider those as well – like Kate’s horse …)

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There are a number of good thoughts as to why MIB killed Seth Norris, and although we cannot actually prove any of them wrong, I think its safe to say that several of them together could very well be right.

The Man In Black, or the Smoke monster has claimed many victims for many reasons. The ultimate goal and reasoning for his violence was to leave the island, something he was willing to achieve at any cost.
He was a man first, and the first victim we know of was the one who raised him, and it was out of revenge and anger (Flashback to a knife in Mothers back).
He killed to help himself in the long run, sometimes while others thought he was helping them (Flashback to Ben summoning “Smokey” to attack the freighter crew).

I believe the main reason that MIB killed Seth Norris was because of someone who was not even at the scene of the murder…John Locke.
The first thing that had to be done was eliminate the only man who has any clue as to the whereabouts of their current destination. Location equals a way to chose a direction off the island before he is able to “embody” the correct…look for the occasion. So very many things need to happen before there can even be a thought of John Locke leaving that island.
This plot…this search for the loophole has been in the works for a very long time, and John more than likely has been involved since at least the 1950’s I would imagine. Around the time when John Locke was first on the island from a chronological perspective by dates that we have learned.

Seth Norris, like Jonas Whitfield, commanded a vessel that “accidentally” crashed onto our island…and like Jonas Whitfield, met a similar fate (Flashback Richard Alpert witnessing Jonas Whitfield being ripped through the ceiling of the Black Rock’s prison cell).

“Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They’re looking for us in the wrong place.”

Without the pilot to assist their location, they all became truly LOST for the first time…non-metaphorically of course.

It’s quite obvious The Monster could kill at will, with no mercy (Flashback to Jacobs protectors in the statue), and sometimes no real reasoning (Flashback to Danielle Rousseaus team). It easily could have killed anyone including Jack and Locke…but instead actually showed them both something.

MIB admittedly posed as Christian Shepard and led Jack to water…not to mention the empty casket his dead father was supposed to be in. MIB is built on deception and mind games.
He also showed John Locke something.

“”I looked into the eye of this Island, and what I saw… was beautiful.”

John told Eko it was a ” very bright light” that he saw, to which Eko disagreed with seeing.
Eko being another example of the monsters power and perspective. He could read Eko (Flashback to the first time we truly saw the monster flash and scan) and know his deepest sorrow, his biggest weakness. MIB used Yemi against him just as he used Alex against Ben. He realized Eko wasnt going to play his game, and just as he did Zoe (Flashback to the throat slit scene…maybe watch it twice), eliminated a game piece because it was “pointless” to him.

He even took the Losties to the plane after freeing them from Widmore’s cage so close to the end (Flashback to John Locke shooting and neck breaking his way to the cages and into the Ajira plane to take the explosives that Widmore wired)

Some believe that Seth was killed out of his uselessness…which is possible…
But Seth Norris was not always pointless…not by a long shot. He is the one who brought them to the island, and he is the one who was the first example of his ability…a flex of his muscles if you will. But it was Seth’s possible idea of the islands location that was his biggest fault most likely.

Like his brother, MIB knows the people that are important. He knows that certain individuals traveled through time. He showed us this by his knowledge of the compass and its importance of helping John Locke stay on the right path of following his destiny. He knows what John knows, and I would imagine what Christian Shepard and MANY others alike knew.

The Man In Blacks attack against a “pointless” character such as Seth Norris was a way to show his strength, and rile the cages of a few of the important players in Jacobs game…after all, we know he cannot directly kill any of Jacobs candidates, or at least he follows that rule from a technical standpoint (Flashback to Sawyer pulling the bomb wires on the sub).

The Man In Black’s attack against the Pilot, Seth Norris was to take away the opportunity for John, Jack, and the rest of the candidates to leave before he was ready…he may have still been contemplating “what to wear”. He may have been waiting for his own candidate to ripen.

The Man In Black may have killed the pilot for many reasons…but the principal and foremost reason was for us, the viewers.
Not to jump when “a monster” rips a man from the cockpit of a plane right in front of our hero’s eyes.
Not to fear for our Losties as they run through the jungle from the beast as it seems to engulf them as it makes its approach.
Not even to make us wonder 6 years later why he just didn’t allow them ALL to meet the same fate as the Seth and the “Temple Others” (Flashback to The Smoke Monster in full wrath mode killing everyone who didn’t take his offer to “leave the island with him”).

In the pilot episode, the end of the very first one…he didnt kill the pilot more for any reason than to make us ask the very same thing that Charlie asks as he, Jack, and Kate look up and stare at what reflects in the puddle below, “How does something like that happen?”

(Flashback to the white shirted, wingless, and bloodied pilot hanging in the tree)

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I believe that the pilot was killed and the others were not harmed for the following combination of reasons:

1. The smoke monster (Man In Black) was seeking people that he could destroy. The opportunity arose with smokey approaching the plane and the individuals inside making themselves known and thus directly exposed to the danger. The pilot became a target when he became visible to the smoke monster, which made its move. The motivation of the smoke monster is part of the “game” between him and Jacob – Jacob’s “guests” are here to prevent smokey from leaving the island, so smoky destorys those that he can, and instills fear and dread in those that he cannot harm via the “rules”.

2. Kate and Jack are not attacked because they cannot be attacked via the “rules” – they are both candidates and thus can only be harmed by accidental death of killing themselves (a plot that smokey ultimately unfolds with the submarine plan).

3. Charlie is not attacked because – IF he is not a candidate, which I will assume here – it is not “his time to die”. One thing to recall is that at the point that the plane crashes, Kate and Jack have already been to the island in terms of a true timeline (they were there in Dharma time – forming future events which include the crash).
Because “whatever happened, happened”, Jack and Kate (and Hugo and others) are destined to go back in time. I think it is reasonable to assume that Charlie is a link to this destined timeline – he has freewill, but he also has a destiny (actually is called predeterminism when someone has freewill but also an ultimate destiny) with the candidates that helps “course correct” them on their journeys. His relationship with them helps forge each of their predetermined paths into the past.

Another way to think of Charlie’s destiny is his impact on Hugo during his life; Hugo, in my opinion, was “fated” to become the island’s keeper. Charlie’s life and death help Hugo become the person he must – the eventual Guardian of the Island. In this way, Charlie was “destined” to guide Hugo on his path, and thus Charlie could not die until it he had fulfilled this destiny.

What is the proof of this?

Charlie’s bond to a predetermined destiny was made clear when his “time to die” had come; this is driven home by Desmond’s attempts to save him which ultimately fail (because they have to).

Not to elaborate too much more, but to clarify the predeterminism that I am referring to: think of a book with a beginning and an end. Charlie can write the book however he wants, but the ending never changes – and along the way, there are likely a few paragraphs that also must appear. Thus he has free will, but also must eventually conform to course correcting and to his ending – the ending of the book. Not everyone in Lost had a “Destiny”, but I believe Charlie did, which was why he was spared in the Pilot – because his life afterwards and eventual death were meaningful to the Fate of the island, and thus the Fate of the world.

Glad to be writing about Lost, Time Travel, Fate and Freewill again!

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I believe that Seth Norris was killed by Smokey for two reasons. One reason was internal (story-driven) and the other was external (production-driven).

The simpler explanation is the external, production-driven reasoning behind killing the pilot.. in the pilot. The attention-grabbing magnitude of a man being ripped from the cockpit by a loud, large, and looming unseen monster is hugely captivating; it jolts the audience and makes them wonder what the hell that thing could possibly be. I truly believe that a lot of the details in Lost were worked out after the story had been set. In other words, the writers had no intention of or idea to introduce Frank later on as the original pilot of 815. So the idea of candidates in this sense is far from realized in season 1, which explains why Locke is dragged-off by the monster in Exodus. They didn’t have the idea of candidates until season 4 or 5, so the idea that the monster wasn’t allowed to kill certain folks was long from conception.

Secondly, I believe that, within the context of the story, the monster killed Seth to send a message to the other survivors. Again, within the context of the story, accepting that Smokey was operating under “candidate rules” even in the Pilot, he was not able to kill Jack or Kate (not sure about Charlie). So he killed Seth, who was not a candidate, to scare the hell out of the other Losties.


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Wolfx’s theory made me wonder … could it be that Freighter Michael was ‘special’ – a little like Desmond – and in his own flash-sideways, trying to rectify his ‘wrongs’ and be reuinited with Walt? Perhaps Walt was in the psycho-ward for the same reason Hurley … he sees dead people – like his dad. It would also explain why Christian told him he could go now …

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Smokie killed the pilot because Seth was of no use to MIB.

This conclusion is based upon examination of the two characters and their relationships.

Smokie. Who did he kill and why? In retrospect, he didn’t seem to kill out of rage – he seemed quite methodical and quite calm when he apologized that Ben had to see him like that.

Those killed seem to be grouped into two major groups: those that attacked him; those that couldn’t be used by him (e.g. the temple) – kind of a ‘if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem’. [I believe all of the people killed could fall into these groups except Mother – who was directly preventing MIB from leaving.

Seth. Not a candidate, never was. He was a ‘good guy’ (long time married, and I think Lapedeus said something like that). MIB likely scanned him and decided he wasn’t ‘controllable’ – he ‘wouldn’t go along’ (If this is why Eco was killed, MIB’s scanning wasn’t to judge good/bad but judge their character and malleability … and usefulness in the one thing MIB wants … to get off the island and ‘go home’.) Indeed, some of the information about how they got ‘Lost’ (or perhaps help them get found w/o MIB) just might have messed up his loophole.

Though Seth was a pilot, the plane itself wasn’t pilotable. Not useful.
Good guys can’t/won’t kill candidates. Not useful.

It was either that … or his breath.

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I watched several smokie scenes over again, including the pilot episode, and I think I noticed something significant…

After watching that scene again, it doesn’t seem likely to me that the monster chose to kill the pilot for some overall strategic purpose. It was fairly quick. The group in the cockpit (pilot, Jack, Kate, and Charlie) were making noise talking about the transceiver and what happened when they crashed. I believe, they apparently made enough noise that one of the smokie “whisps” called big smokie to come together and investigate.

Kate+Jack+Charlie are hiding from the monster; but the pilot was so curious, he leaned out the cockpit window to take a look; then the monster killed him. That got me thinking. Before Season Six, I don’t believe the Smoke Monster ever killed anybody who was running away from him. Think of all the scenes where people were running from it; Jack, Kate, Charlie, Charlie in the tree, the group running to the Black Rock (that’s all I can think of at the moment). If the smoke monster really wanted to catch you, there’s nothing you can do to stop it; it’s too fast and too strong.

It seems only to be interested in those who stand up to it. Examples are the pilot, Locke and Ecko. Also,on the French team, the first man that was attacked stood his ground; the monster chose him to pull underneath the temple wall. The french woman “Nadine” dissapeared before the French man; I suspect she stood her ground then was taken, otherwise the monster silently crept up on her and took her, which seems unlikely…

So here’s my theory in a nutshell; ultimately, the monster uses fear to control people. So if you run, he knows he can probably use his big sound effects or other people he’s controlling to push you in a certain direction. If you stand your ground, well that means he gets to examine you and see if you have any deep rooted fears he can use against you. For Locke, he found all the insecurities he had to manipulate him. For Ecko, he ultimately found the lack of fear and had to get rid of him..

For the Oceanic Pilot, it’s probably unlikely he got to “scan” him during that scene. He saw that he didn’t have any fear, then killed him to put more fear of him into Jack+Kate+Charlie…

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Here is my entry into the September theory contest.

Very simply put, the pilot was killed because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think Smokey was trying to get at Jack and Kate. The pilot was stupid in sticking his head out the window and Smokey went for the first thing that moved.

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I think the Oceanic 815 Pilot was killed by Jacob although it was MIB that appeared to have performed the evil deed simply because Jacob didn’t want the candidates to have exit capabilities off the Island once they became captives.
Jacob was also responsible for blowing up the freighter in S4 (I think) and well as killing the Ajira flight pilot in 5 for similar reason. I believe Christian; who appeared to Michael before he died or got blown to pieces to be precise, while on the freightor, was Jacob because we now know the MIB could not “fly” over water. And who else had that supernatural ability to perform as such at that time?
Also I think Jacob and MIB did not kill Frank because he was a candidate. Remember, Frank was originally to be the 815 pilot but was replaced suspiciously beforehand.
My theory folks!

September 2010 Theory Contest

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Hey everyone! Welcome to the first theory contest! Let’s see how this goes 🙂

So, as it’s September, I thought it would be a good idea to have this months contest be about The Pilot. It’s been nearly 6 whole years since The Pilot and I don’t think we ever got a reasonable answer as to why the pilot of Oceanic 815 was killed by the monster.

Was he a candidate? Was “Smokey” expecting it to be Frank? Was “Smokey” just in a bad mood that day?

Post your theories in the normal way but please make a note in the title or the post itself that it’s a contest entry, and then post a link to it in the comments section of this post 🙂

Have fun! I’m going to enjoy reading your theories!

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Hello everyone,

It’s been a while since I last posted anything here. I’m really pleased that some of you still take the time to post stuff here even after Lost has ended 🙂

I wanted to get your opinion on something. I was thinking that every month we could have a Theory Contest where I select a mystery that was unexplained on the show, and you have to submit a theory to explain it. Then at the end of the month there’s a vote on which theory is the best. Obviously, I’m unable to give away real prizes, it’s more just for fun and a way to keep the site more active.

I know most of you probably don’t want to think about Lost now that it’s over, but I know some of you may enjoy the idea. So, let me know what you think, if you’d be willing to join in etc. If it’s a bad idea feel free to let me know 🙂

Namaste x

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