Hey there folks, long time since I posted anything here. It’s a great site and i miss the forum. I just wanted to say that I am still disappointed with the way the show ended. At the end of the show I thought I was happy with how it all wrapped up but as time passes I feel cheated for all of us. It seems now that it was all made up as they went along. That in and off itself does not bother me. What bothers me is that there was some many ways they could have ended it but they still choose the crappiest one out there. It wasn’t like they had to go with that one to pull in the maximum amount of viewers on the night. There were many better theories and ways to wrap it up posted on this and other sites and they could have all been explained it a two part episode. That fans of that show got kicked in the teeth. As you rewatch the show over the years this becomes more and more evident. They just went for the lowest common denominator ending. Since then anytime I tune into a new show if I think that there is no plausible ending in sight or logic that can apply to an endgame season I will switch right off. We deserved better; we were the fans, the people who made people watch with us, the people who generated newspaper column inches with out theory and discussion forums. We did not get the ending we deserved. It would be nice to hear from some of the old gang again so please (you know who you are) reply to this. Even if only to say hello and let me know your viewing habits now.

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This is doing the rounds, i think it helps.

Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I’ve had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John’s questions about Dharma and the “pointless breadcrumbs” that really, weren’t so pointless …

First …
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people’s heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a “Protector”. Jacob wasn’t the first, Hurley won’t be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him — even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob’s plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn’t do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn’t take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma — which I’m not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by “corrupting” Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben’s “off-island” activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the “Others” killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that’s what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn’t do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB’s corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That’s a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still … Dharma’s purpose is not “pointless” or even vague. Hell, it’s pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his “candidates” (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of “candidates” through the decades and letting them “choose” which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn’t. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector — I know that’s how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won’t answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he’d always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we’ll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on …


Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least — because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer’s room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we’re all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it’s not exactly the best word). But these people we’re linked to are with us duing “the most important moments of our lives” as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It’s loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this “sideways” world where they exist in purgatory until they are “awakened” and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show’s concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own “Sideways” purgatory with their “soulmates” throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That’s a beautiful notion. Even if you aren’t religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It’s a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events — not JUST because of Jacob. But because that’s what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith — and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that’s THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer’s took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways “purgatory” with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn’t allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died — some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley’s case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are “awakened” and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren’t in the chuch — basically everyone who wasn’t in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here’s where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It’s possible that those links aren’t people from the island but from their other life (Anna’s parnter, the guy she shot — Roussou’s husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn’t go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can’t move on yet because he hasn’t connected with the people he needs to. It’s going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley’s number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It’s really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more “behind the scenes” note: the reason Ben’s not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn’t believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It’s pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church — but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church … and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder — the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ’s ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I’ve been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I’ve loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don’t touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story — even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

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 My take on the finale and unresolved mysteries is that if it had been only two or three seasons long then we would all have been happy with this ending. However when ABC studio execs saw the audience figures for season one and realized the amount of advertising revenue they could make then the forced Darlton to extend the series. This diluted the shows impact by forcing them to keep it fresh, hold off on mythology resolutions and try to keep the mysterious island vibe. In the end it couldn’t sustain itself and nearly collapsed under the weight of expectation.

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Let’s get something right. The island is not purgatory. If you think it is you are missing the point of not just the finale but the whole show.

Christian tells Jack the island and everything that happened on it is real.

The alternate universe was a construct they made when Juliet detonated jughead. They all existed there even the ones who made it off the island on the plane with lapidus, and ben and hurley. 

If this seems contradictory then let me explain but remember I’m using an analogy that all can understand. I am NOT being literal. 

Imagine you are dead. 

As Christian said to Jack when you are dead there is no now. 

No now equals no time, because of this then everyone you knew or loved would  be with you because on earth/reality where time does exist everyone dies at some point.

So if you died years before your wife/child/sibling you would still meet them in whatever version of the aftelife you went to. 

The people on the plane got off the island and lived there lives until the day they died. 

Hurley and Ben protected the island until they were no longer needed. 

It wasn’t the best ending they could have come up with but it wasn’t the worst. 

But the island definetly was not purgatory or limbo. 

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Correct me if I’m wrong but couldn’t Widmore and that chick with him have escaped from Bens house using a secret passage.

Where did Miles go? One minute he was there the next he was gone. Did Widmore and Ben pull a con job on Smokie.

I hope that this show hasn’t really been all about a light/source of energy or goodness that needs to be protected. This strikes me as a very weak premise and conclusion for this show. The writers could have picked a
million better ideas from some of the theories on this site alone.

Okay I know it’s not about a “light” I get the metaphor. If this is the case then it seems to me to be either dumbing down the finale for mass market appeal or evidence that they really were making it up as they went along.

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Flockes method of escape proves that the island is sentient or a machine. 

Think about. He is impersonating a dead man. Now everyone of the losties who has come across him knows instantly that he is not the real John Locke. Except for Claire who to be kind to is nuts, not evil. I know Desmond said he was John Locke when Flocke asked him did he know who he was, but I think Des thought he was yanking Flockes chain. 

For Flocke to get off island he said that they had to recreate the conditions of how they got there. The only reason i believe this is so is because the island must be able to see the human form but not the soul or spirit within. 

Jacob knows what flocke looks like. Whoever he is he took Johns body so he would not look like himself. After all he wouldn’t recognize his own reflection now. Maybe that’s what all the mirror stuff is about this season.  

Therefore the island must be either sentient or some kind of machine.  

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Flockes method of escape proves that the island is sentient or a machine. 

Think about. He is impersonating a dead man. Now everyone of the losties who has come across him knows instantly that he is not the real John Locke. Except for Claire who to be kind to is nuts, not evil. I know Desmond said he was John Locke when Flocke asked him did he know who he was, but I think Des thought he was yanking Flockes chain. 

For Flocke to get off island he said that they had to recreate the conditions of how they got there. The only reason i believe this is so is because the island must be able to see the human form but not the soul or spirit within. 

Jacob knows what flocke looks like. Whoever he is he took Johns body so he would not look like himself. After all he wouldn’t recognize his own reflection now. Maybe that’s what all the mirror stuff is about this season.  

Therefore the island must be either sentient or some kind of machine.  

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Widmore and Mib look set for a confrontation. Why else would Widmore have a barrier system like Dharmaville? I think smokie can only be killed or contained while he is the smoke monster. Whatever Widmore has in the locked room on the sub is not a weapon, where would be the big reveal in that. 

Does this scenario make Jacks losties allies with Widmore and pit them against Sawyer and the rest of their old friends, in an the enemy of my enemy is my friend way?
Mib says that the island didn’t need protection. I think he’s right. And wrong. I have long held the belief that the island is the place where the multiverse’s converge. Now I think that it is the plug in the dam that stops them all existing at the same time. 

The function of the island is to plug a hole in order to keep every universe and reality seperate and stable. Sometime other realitys can bleed through or be released into this one via the island. Hence things like Kates horse and possibly the safe landing universe. 

Jacob was able to keep an eye on all this via his mirror. It can see into all versions of reality. The island seems to me to have been a prison to Mib. Maybe it wasn’t but that’s what it came to represent to him. Why he can turn into a smoke monster I don’t know. He wants to go home maybe home is another dimension and where he’s from this is natural for people. Could it be that the island is a plug for a hole between other dimensions? Keeping dimensions and beings from those dimensions seperate.    

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I had a what if thought. What if the scene between Jacob and MIb on the beach at the end of season five is also the last scene of this series. 

Bear with me. 

The writers have hinted that we have seen the last scene already. 

Well what if the reason Mib says to Jacob do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you is because he has just been defeated by Jacob and the lostie. 

I also have to mention that I have read theories on other sites that put forth the idea that Jacob and the Mib are one and the same, hence the emphasis on duality, balance, and scales. The dual aspects of good and bad can reside in one person as we saw with Sayid. Eventually this balance within his soul was tilted towards evil by Sayid becomeing infected.

Another point I would make is that Richard implied that his longevity was a product of Jacobs touch and that only a candidate could kill another candidate. This raises numerous questions the two most prevalent in my mind are; John Locke was touched by Jacob, yet he was murdered by Ben Linus. Is Ben a candidate? If not then is the real John Locke alive? 

I posted a theory last week about the spider on John Lockes face before they took him away to be buried. In the last two epsides Nikki and Paulo have been mentioned. Is this some foreshadowing by the writers? 

In each episode of this season we have started with the central character staring at their own reflection. Some theorists have posited that this is a subtle hint about mirror universes and other quantum theories. But what do you see when you look in a mirror. The person you could have been, the person you’d like to be, the person you are? Or do you see a strangers reflection staring back at you?

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I have just read a theory by emzi that made something in my head go click. It was about Jacks appendix scar and Jughead. What I propose is that the alt and possibly the on island timeline are not real. Or one is and the other isn’t. Smokie scanned all our losties and is using all their memories to create an alt where they all get what they want out of life.

I mean I know they were all intertwined in some way but did Keamy and Sayid meeting not seem just a little bit of a stretch.

Maybe this is why there has been bleeding between the two realities. Either there are two realities where the losties are in stasis enjoying a fantasy life In one and a war in the other or one is an almost perfect life and the other is war. Either way there are two versions of everyone out there.

Have fun tearing this apart.

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All betrayal begins with seduction. This I know from experience on both sides. What flocke said to Sayid in the jungle mirrored what Ben said to Locke before Anthony Cooper appeared on the black rock. 
   Flocke is giving everyone our losties choices that at first glance seem reasonable or designed to make him seem reasonable. But a choice that’s irresistable is not reasonable, I mean who could resist. 
   The choice he gave to the temple others is also irresistable, leave and live or stay and die. 
   Not much of a choice is it?
   On Flockes side we have Sawyer, Sayid, Clare, and a reluctant Kate. Kate and Sawyer are two people who are used to playing both ends against the middle so we’ll have to wait and see whatever happens there. On Jacobs side we have Hurley, Jack,Frank, sun(who were both recruited by Christian who we also saw with Clare) Ilana and Ben(who is also adept at playing both ends against the middle. 
   Who knows where Richard or Jin will end up, but now we know all the pieces. To me finding out Smokies name could help us solve the puzzle. 

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I don’t believe that John Locke is dead. I watched him buried, I saw ben kill him but I heard his battle cry of don’t tell me what I can’t do him when Flocke shouted at that strange kid. 

We know from what he said to Ben about Lockes last thought that smokies been inhabiting John Locke for a while. After he said what he said to that kid i wonder if John Locke is now inhabiting smokie, still fighting the good fight. After all if there was one thing John was good at it was never letting go. 

I have a seperate but related theory about John Locke returning that I’m hoping the good people of this site can help me with. 

Nikki and Paulo were buried alive after being paralyzed by spiders. Did you notice the spider that crawled of dead Lockes head. Then their was the time in the last series when Sayid was being chased/shot at by guys with poison darts. 

After all John Locke has always had a messiah complex. No self respecting messiah is complete without a ressurection.   

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The spring is a place where the collective concious of every person from everey reality coexists and can be accessed. It’s not an alternate timeline or an alternate universe it’s an alternate reality. It is sustained by belief predicated on freewill and a collective conciousness. The many worlds theory states that every person you could have been exists simultaneously. In this world you made the choice to marry the blonde instead of the brunnette, in the other world you married the brunnette. Reductionest I know but you can see what I mean. 

We are obviously  supposed to think that when Jacob died his conciousness went to this pool; dying Sayid was dipped and collected dead Jacobs conciousness. Is it a part of Sayid or the whole of him. Or does this collective pool stretch across alternate realities to a point where a version of Sayid has just died or been rendered unconcious. 

Will we see Sayids death in the 2004 timeline. Will this be the writers device to connect all the losties via  both univeres’. 

We could see the losties all die in one universe but the purpose of that failure would be to be sucessfull in the alternate universe. 

I must go for I am very drunk and my work here is done.          

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Since dogans comment about claiming people does it give significance to ben telling Juliet your mine.

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First they were going to shoot our losties. Then they tortured Sayid. The two guys helping Kate and Jin seem about as enlightened as my ass. Then they tried to shoot Jin. Is it just me or do these guys not seem very trustworthy?

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There is a concept in theology about man becoming god, the technical term is apotheosis. In different religions and myths down through the years different cultures have used it in story telling. One of the means is where a god hides an inner spark or piece of himself inside a man. This man then goes on, (without the knowledge that he has been used as a host for a god) to usually become rich or powerful by some means. Is this what Jacob has done with his touch on the losties. If so does it mean he is still alive. 

One of the main themes of lost has been duality. Did Jacob spread himself amongst a select group of people because Mib did the opposite of apotheosis. Maybe Mib, through smokie visited the same losties Jacob did and instead of giving each one of them some of his essence took a piece of their essence. 

I think that this process is what the rules are about. This would not allow the losties the full use of their free will. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Maybe though this restores a balance and negates Mib’s loophole. 

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When smokie looks at someone he can see the whole of their life. Past, present, and future, all at the same time. Imagine your life as a river. Now look down on it like a bird flying above it would. At the begining is your birth at the end is your death, if you could see your life like the bird then you are always dead and always alive. 

You would have free will but because your death is a pernament fixture in smokies observation of your lifeline then whatever happened happened. And always will.


A) you are both alive and dead because of the way smokie views your lifeline. If you become aware of this then maybe you can become your own constant and always travel back to a time when you existed because you always exist due to smokies observation. 

B) you can fool smokie into looking at an alt version of you. Smokie sees that persons life, doesn’t percieve them as a threat leaving you free to go about your business. 

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Happy Christmas one and all!

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Their is evidence of different cultures having previously existed on the island. 

We know from Jacob and Mibs conversation that people have been coming here for a long time. The blackrock also provides evidence to support this, although this is not a certified fact. 

Daniel Faraday believes that the losties  themselves are the variables. 

My theory is that people with certain traits, or possibly talents, from each of these cultures have had the ability to either change the outcome of the valzenetti sequence,or more likely alter it just enough to give mankind more time to exist. This is progress. Making fate late. 

This culture, this time around is more scientifically advanced  than previous cultures. So much so that it might actually have become aware of this problem of it’s own accord. If this is the case it may have created the loop itself in the hopes of finally solving the equation pernamently.

I think every single flashback or forward has been an alt reality. I have no evidence of this but i would cite the many jobs of John Locke. Its almost as if each time we see in a new job/role he is a slighty different man. Then theres Nadia. Every time we see her there seems to be something different about her. Hated/worshipped in her homeland. Our losties, in one reality or another, have being doing this for a very long time. And every time they have someones been observing. 

This is where this theory takes two shapes. One scientific, bear in mind I’m  not a scientist and neither are the shows writers, two religious of a sort. Bear in mind I’m not a theologian. 

One: the temple has been home to a group of scientists who have been observing the variables. Possibly trying to steer them in the right direction. This group of observers could be from the future, past, or present. If they exist I would bet it’s the future. This could be the answer to the whispers. Imagine the inside of the temple as a science lab with screens upon which the observers gaze. Maybe they saw one of the losties/variables doing something and they were talking about it. Whilst doing so one of them accidently leans on a speaker switch. This then transmits somehow to the outside where the losties hear this as whispers. They might have access from the temples to many alternate realities where they can pluck alternate versions of the losties from or download an alternates memories into someone else. This could be the reason why Richard Alpert told Sawyer that Ben would lose his innocence. How could a child remain innocent knowing that there are multiple versions of himself. This is why Des is unique. Their is only one version of Des, no alternate versions, just one Des who can move between all versions of alternate realities. Or maybe it’s because his conciousness can travel between them all.   

Two: because of the unique properties of the island the temple is a place where you can meet God, whatever God you believed in. Or visit albeit temporarily your idea of the afterlife. How too could a child remain innocent after that experience.   

In either scenario anyone would have to feel superior to other mortals who remained ignorant of this knowledge. I prefer the first scenario.  


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