As suggested by wolfx I’ve decided to extend October 2010’s Theory contest til the end of November, so it’ll be the Oct/Nov 2010 Theory contest.
I hope this is ok with everyone. Let me know if you have any ideas for future contests 🙂
As suggested by wolfx I’ve decided to extend October 2010’s Theory contest til the end of November, so it’ll be the Oct/Nov 2010 Theory contest.
I hope this is ok with everyone. Let me know if you have any ideas for future contests 🙂
Let’s take a look at what we do know about the cabin.
We were first introduced to the Cabin when Ben took Locke there to “meet” Jacob. Ben proceeded to talk to an invisible chair and tried to pursuade Locke that Jacob was sat in the chair. Just as an unimpressed Locke decides to leave the Cabin, all hell breaks loose. Things begin to move around the room, things break etc. and Ben is pushed accross the room and we see for a split second someone sat in the chair. We also here someone saying “Help me”. Locke is the only one who hears it and this then annoys Ben. In Season 5 we find out that Ben had never even met Jacob, and when he took Locke to the Cabin he was pretending to talk to Jacob in the empty chair.
Another thing we know about the Cabin is it is surrounded by an ash ring, which at some point gets broken. From meeting The Temple Others we know that the ash was used as protection against The Smoke Monster / MIB. So, the ash around the Cabin was either keeping Smokey out, or keeping Smokey in.
My theory is, it was used to keep Smokey out. Smokey was surveying the island since The Pilot and I think the ash circle around the Cabin was broken after that time (more on that later), so it couldn’t have been used to keep Smokey in.
So, if it was to keep Smokey out, was it really Jacob in the chair? My answer is no.
Think back to Room 23 – the “brainwashing” room that we’ve seen. We know that was a part of some Dharma experiment, and I think that this room is somehow linked to The Cabin. I think that whoever gets put into the “brainwashing” chair can somehow project themselves to The Cabin. At that moment when Ben and Locke are at the Cabin, no one else is present in the room. But around that time someone is being “brainwashed” in Room 23. I’m not entirely sure who, but whoever it was was able to project themselves for a couple of seconds to The Cabin when Ben and Locke were there, and asked them for help.
Walt was also being “brainwashed” when The Others kidnapped him, only Walt is “Special”, and was able to project himself in places where is wasn’t supposed to be. That is, any place in the world, any place in time. I’m going off the subject, but I believe that when Walt appeared to Locke and told him he had work to do, this was when he was being “brainwashed” in Room 23. I know he wasn’t on the island at that time, but when we was being “brainwashed” he could project himself to the future. He could also project himself to the past (when Shannon saw him).
Anyway… back to The Cabin. Ben knew of the Cabin, he’d helped with some of the experiments, but he’d only ever witnessed things that happened at Room 23. He’d never seen the effects of these experiments at The Cabin. So when he went there, he never expected things to start flying around the room and was just as in shock as Locke was.
So, why didn’t Ben hear the voice ask for help? That, I believe, is down to Jacob.
Long before the experiments started, Jacob used The Cabin as a place to go when he was bored of looking out to sea. He placed the ash around it to prevent his brother from going there. When Dharma came and found the Cabin they decided it would be a great place to try their “brainwashing” experiments. They didn’t touch the ash. They knew something or someone had placed it there for a reason and didn’t want to tarnish it.
However, after The Purge, instead of getting his cabin back like he’d hoped, Ben and the Others decided to make use of the “brainwashing” technology. So, because of Ben’s involvement, Jacob punished him by not allowing him to be so “in-tuned” with the Island. On this miracle Island Ben got a tumour, he had to have an operation to have it removed and took a week or two for him to fully heal. Jacob made him like this.
So when a voice said “Help Me”, Ben couldn’t hear it because he wasn’t as “in-tuned” with the Island as Locke was. Of course, Ben had a hissy fit when he realised just how special Locke was when Locke told him he’d heard someone in the Cabin. Ben knew it was part of Jacob’s punishment.
When Illana and her crew arrived at the Cabin, they were expecting to find Jacob there because he had used it often before Dharma showed up. When they saw the break in the ash circle they knew that it’d been used by MIB and that’s why they burnt it down.
Locke broke the ash circle when he and Ben left The Cabin. When he broke the ash it caused a temporal anomaly due to the power of the ash and the experiments that had happened there. Just like Room 23 allowed its victims to project themselves to The Cabin, The Cabin was also able to project itself somewhere else on the island. But only for a short amount of time, and only once the ash was broken. When Hurley stumbled upon The Cabin it had already taken occupancy by MIB (in the form of Christian Shepherd). But it was still shifting around on the Island which is why Hurley saw it in two different places in a short period of time.
MIB was using The Cabin as part of the bigger plan to kill Jacob. He knew that Locke now thought it was Jacob who had asked him for help, so he knew he could manipulate Locke on his next visit to The Cabin.
But who was the person that peered through the hole and looked at Hurley? It certainly looked like MIB was with company. However, I think it was just a trick of MIB’s. He can turn himself into anyone who has died on (or off) the Island, and he knew Hurley was looking through the hole, so he thought he’d have some fun and stare back at him. Only, it wasn’t Christian Shepherd’s form staring back at him, it was someone Hurley knew who had died. (I wanted to say his grandpa but I know it looked nothing like him, and can’t think of anyone else in particular).
So, The Cabin. Mystery Solved?
Unfortunately, this theory of mine won’t delve into the spookiness associated with the Cabin; I simply want to layout my thoughts and paint the picture of what I believe happened when Richard Alpert came to the Island. Why Richard? Because the day Richard came was the same day the four toe statue was destroyed, which was the first step in the chain of events leading to the use of places such as the Cabin.
Remember what’s different with Richard; he was the first (and only) of his kind in the game between Jacob and MIB. Remember Richard and Jacob’s first conversation on the beach?:
RICHARD: Before you brought my ship, there were others?
JACOB: Yes, many.
RICHARD: What happened to them?
JACOB: They’re all dead.
RICHARD: But if you brought them here. Why didn’t you help them?
JACOB: Because I wanted them to help themselves. To know the difference between right and wrong without me having to tell them. It’s all meaningless if I have to force them to do anything. Why should I have to step in?
RICHARD: If you don’t, he will.
[Jacob pauses for a moment, taking Richard’s words into consideration.]
JACOB: Do you want a job?
Based on that conversation, I think the “game” up to that point might have been boring. Just imagine Jacob and MIB laying back, eating stone grilled fish on the beach, watching people “come, fight, destroy, corrupt” and/or “make progress”; and every time new people came, it always ended with everyone dying. That’s what Jacob said; “They’re all dead.” And that’s exactly MIB’s frustration; it all ends the same, so why even bring them to the Island?
So with the pieces of the game dying each time, it really doesn’t “win” or “lose” the game they’re engaged in. It’s only a difference of opinion; MIB says they destroyed themselves, Jacob says it ended but there was progress. It’s a stalemate.
So with the arrival of the Black Rock and Richard Alpert, Jacob expanded the game board a little. Jacob chooses to use an intermediary to teach the game pieces how to think for themselves.
THE FOUR TOE STATUE
Before Jacob talks Richard into taking the job, it was actually MIB who made the first bold move in the game; destroying Jacob’s home base, the 4 toed statue. Before I go any further, let me explain the basis of my argument; we all know it’s Jacob who chooses who comes to the Island, but I believe it’s MIB who chooses the manner of how they arrive. That manner always involving a crash; BlackRock, Henry Gale’s balloon, Oceanic, Aijira, Nigerian plane, Desmond’s Sailboat; all crashes with fatalities (except Desmond of course.) So why crashes? To kill as many people as possible, narrowing down the game pieces; MIB’s method of play is to first eliminate the variables.
So by crashing the Black Rock in a storm, he accomplishes two things; making the ship passengers easy prey and destroying Jacob’s home. So what’s the significance of the statue? I believe it served several purposes:
1. Jacob’s home:
Where he slept, ate, sewed, kept warm near the fire etc.
2. Jacob’s place of protection:
Jacob told Richard nobody is allowed inside unless they’re invited. That must be one of the game rules; so as long he’s inside, he’ll always be safe. (The Leader of the Others always had invitation, which MIB of course took advantage of later.)
3. Jacob’s meeting place. I say this because it would have been an ideal place; only people he invites may come in, so it would be a fairly secure place. But until Richard, he never wanted to meet with anybody.
4. A landmark to guide people to the Island:
I’m sure any ship that sees that huge statue, would immediately change course to investigate. That might have been what happened to the Black Rock. It’s similar to the transmission of the numbers to bring Rousseau’s ship in.
5. A place of Magic:
Here’s where things get interesting. It’s not the statue itself that produces the magic; it’s the ash within the fire circle. The ash is key. It’s symbolic. It’s actually the enforcer of the rules of the game.
One of the powerful magical phenomena the ash can be used for; it allows objects/people to appear/dissapear any place they want to travel. I know this may sound far fetched, but I believe the evidence supports this. Three things I can think of; 1) The cabin appearing/dissapearing 2) Jacob suddenly appearing in the statue when MIB and Ben came in 3)Jacob traveling on and off the Island.
MIB’s DESIRE TO DESTROY THE STATUE
I’ll stretch the traveling phenomena even further; I seriously doubt Jacob slid that huge stone door back and forth every time he exited and entered the statue. He could simply appear out on the beach to go fishing, or appear in the temple to talk with Dogen, or appear in America to give Jack Shepherd an Apollo bar. He’s Jacob for crying out loud. The game player isn’t constrained like the game pieces.
So the only thing MIB could piece together is that Jacob lived in statue, and that he could travel anywhere he wanted. By destroying the statue, Jacob would no longer have that power, or so he thought.
This is where Jacob’s grand illusion begins. When the statue is destroyed, Jacob pretends he doesn’t live there anymore. MIB doesn’t know anything about the living area inside the foot; he’s never been inside the statue. This is why Flocke is so surprised when Richard brings him to the foot:
FLOCKE: What is it? Why are we stopping?
RICHARD: You’ll see.
FLOCKE: Well, it’s a wonderful foot, Richard, but what does it have to do with Jacob?
RICHARD: It’s where he lives.
JACOB ON THE MOVE
After the statue is destroyed, Jacob of course continues to secretly reside in the foot. But to create the illusion he lives somewhere else, Jacob chooses a second home; the cave at the cliffs. When and how MIB founds this out is unknown. I would think the cliffs are difficult to descend down for MIB in smoke monster form. And I would like to think MIB discovered the cave after Jacob had already written candidate names and numbers on the wall; kind of a slap in the face to MIB, letting him know at the right moment how much planning is involved selecting his candidates.
Another place worthy to mention; the Lighthouse. One of the purposes of the statue was to guide people the Island, the Lighthouse replaced the statue for that very purpose. I think it’s obvious the Lighthouse was built long after the temple and the 4 toed statue were built. The temple, tunnels, and statue were likely built from people who were Egyptian; the Lighthouse, absent of heiroglyphics, was probably built during a time when the world was being discovered by ships much like the Black Rock. That being said, Jacob had people build the Lighthouse to guide ships to the Island, and of course for Jacob to use the mirrors to observe his candidates’ lives.
What is the cabin? It was a place Horrace built to vacation with his family. His wife Amy liked to get away from the Barracks, even on picnics, which we all know got her first husband killed by venturing into Hostile territory. So Horrace built a cabin, which he knew was safely outside Hostile territory, yet far from the Barracks to avoid running into his own people too.
Horrace was the leader of the Dharma Initiative residents. When Richard had a problem he needed to discuss, like the missing bodies of his people, he came to Horrace. So when conflicts arose that needed to be discussed, but not to the point of Richard coming into the Barracks; it makes logical sense that Richard and Horrace would meet halfway at the Cabin.
The ash surrounding the Cabin could have served two purposes. Firstly, it kept the smoke monster from coming in; perhaps Horrace pleaded with Richard on having that since he was used to having the protection of the perimeter fence.
Secondly, the ash was probably used for its mystical transportive powers that I talked about before. Instead of Richard talking to Jacob to receive instruction, then meet with Horrace to go over those instructions; why not bring Jacob’s presence right there at the meeting place? Think of it like this; by laying down a ring of ash, Jacob new exactly where to appear. Maybe that’s how Richard would meet with Jacob each time, even places other than the cabin; lay down a circle of the ash, and Jacob would mystically appear. The circle was only bigger at the cabin because it was used for both transportive powers and smokey protection.
FOOLING BENJAMIN LINUS
Sometime afterward, Ben discovers the Cabin as an established meeting place with Jacob. It could be Richard brings him along for a meeting with the Dharma people, or Ben spies from the woods and sees Richard visit the place often. Regardless, in Ben’s mind, he believes that is where Jacob resides.
Things change somehow, and this is where my theorizing goes flat. Somehow, MIB or “somebody else” is using it (Ilana’s words), even while the ash circle is still intact. Ben, still under the impression that’s where Jacob resides, brings Locke there in the episode “Man Behind the Curtain.”
The Island was an elusive creature that no one could just visit because it was always moving. They would either be invited by an inhabitant or were un/fortunate depending on your perspective, to land there.
The cabin a child of the Island, like its parent also moved constantly. If The Island moved thru space/time so did the offspring but in its own independent fashion.
To understand desperation is not the intent of this submission. To understand the event sequences given the emotional driver, is.
The Cabin being vulnerable as any other living thing was inevitably expropriated by MIB with the intent of using it to escape the Island. Paterned after his Donkey Wheel, MIB over the millennia, had developed a mobile Donkey Wheel technology, however he lacked the physical ‘hardware’, a device or even better described, a vehicle. This vehicle had to be composed of particular elements. For example all parts needed to come from the Island; wood branches, grass, sugar cane, a cloth hosting the embroidered picture of the statue made by Jacob for decoration and so on. Symbolically it was to be born of the Island.
The problem was he could not build such a structure himself, it had to come into a natural existence. MIB had to patiently bide his time awaiting the opportunity to present itself. When Horace Godspeed decided he needed a getaway from his pressures of being the Dharma lead, MIB saw great opportunity. Before The Cabin was finished he planned the Dharma Purge and when it was complete he orchestrated it. Thus ridding the Island of those who came to corrupt and destroy but firstly to get the Godspeeds the hell out of the cabin. Unknowingly, Richard, young Ben and the Others carry out the grand plan believing the instruction has originated with Jacob.
Note: The Dharma Purge to be discussed in detail in another venue.
The cabin was perfect. It was made above ground, made of the island and in an area that was remote and easy for MIB to access. His work then begins. He assembles the elements required including elements from the Island’s power source that emit high levels of EMR (Electro-magnetic Radiation) which was stored in jars. Energy required for time/space travel. The Cabin is developed to the point where it can now move thru space/time but for some reason it is confined to the Island geographically. Having it work like the Donkey Wheel will require much more work.
Fortunately this setback gives Jacob and team time to discover The Cabin’s existence and reason d’etre before MIB can complete the work.
After the Purge, Jacob had thought hard about the significance of the act and about its implications. He knew he had to work quickly to determine what MIB was doing. Knowing MIB as he did helped motivate in that quest. Given the gravity of the situation, all of the Others were asked upon to help find the source of recent reported temporal distortions. There was no question in Jacob’s mind it was the work of MIB.
The campaign would later explain how Ben knew how to find The Cabin, although he didn’t know quite what it was. Once The Cabin was found they postulated, dreamt and hoped they had discovered the source of the disturbances. Soon afterward is was conformed The Cabin was indeed the center of the disturbances and a circle of ash was laid down by the Temple leader – not to keep MIB or any one else imprisoned or safe inside but rather to keep MIB out in order to prevent him from possibly finishing the project and escaping the Island.
In essence the cabin represented another failed loophole for MIB. This among dozens of other failed attempts throughout the millennia. This time however, one could sense this failure was not absolute.
The question then becomes; why did MIB not use the original Donkey Wheel, directly, to escape? The answer is plain; he was not allowed (another rule) or able to for some reason. Perhaps the Island itself was preventing that action. The proof of this is presented when Locke falls into the well that leads to both an underground tunnel and the wheel. There he encounters Christian aka MIB. Having broken his leg in the fall he asks Christian for help in which Christian says he can’t thus implying MIB cannot directly move the wheel.
Sometime between 2004 and 2007 the ash circle gets broken; by who may not be of importance. What is important is The Cabin is accessible again. MIB of course returns to resume his work. But he cannot spend as much time on this project because he is working on the time loop one involving Locke and the compass. Now that he has his vehicle, his home base (The Cabin) returned to his possession, he can proceed. The project often keeps MIB up late at night and out of space/time. This latest loophole project, seemingly having a better or more accelerated chance to succeed, MIB invests most of his energy. Killing Jacob would certainly make the job easier wrt his ultimate goal of leaving the Island. Now, The Cabin’s purpose slightly changed. He uses it for several purposes actually;
1) A conference room for meetings for example with Locke and Claire.
2) An office and command post for planning.
3) MIB also uses it to follow Locke and the Losties thru time in S5.
4) He rents it out on occasion for some extra cash (I added this for fun)
In the meantime Jacob discovers further temporal disturbances are occurring. He surmises desperately, the cabin must be accessible to MIB again. If he is right the fate of the world is in the balance. He then enlists Alana to come to the Island to find and destroy or more accurately, burn it to the ground. But by then, of course, it is too late. The Cabin is no longer an issue. In the borough of an event so potentially horrible, Jacob retreats to the statue’s foot, his home, to contemplate alternatives as well as prepare for the unthinkable. MIB appears to be one step ahead of Jacob.
The Cabin originally slated as an escape pod has now served a very different purpose, an unfathomable purpose. In its smoldering aftermath is a shrine to MIB’s apparent victory over Jacob. The Cabin is now dead and soon to be accompanied by Jacob.
Is this the beginning of the End of the World?
I had not looked at other people submissions prior to posting this. I tried is keep this theory as isolated as possible. Not to say others cannot use any of these ideas if indeed unique. I encourage the practice. Together we will figure this thing out; this thing being what we fondly refer to as Lost!
Hey everyone! Here is the subject for this months theory contest. As it’s the month of Halloween I thought I’d come up with a subject that is kinda “spooky” (at least it seemed that way when we were first introduced to it!). Yup, I’m talking about “The Cabin”. (This was also suggested by shephards_flocke last month) 🙂
So, basically, explain the whole story behind the cabin. Who was there the first time Locke and Ben went there? Why/how does it move? Who’s eye did Hurley see? What’s with the ash ring? Is it protecting the outside or inside etc. etc. Loads of things happened with this cabin but when trying to fit the pieces together with what we know about Jacob and MIB, it just doesn’t all add up.
So you have to come up with a theory that explains most of its mystery and tie it all together.
– Enjoy! xx
Hey everyone! Thanks to everyone who submitted an theory to the September 2010 Theory Contest. They all were fab! Now it’s time to vote! Use the following form to submit your vote. You are able to vote for yourself, but it’d be nice if you didn’t 🙂
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Voting is open until 31st October 2010. The Theory Contest for October 2010 will be up in a couple of days! Have fun! x
For suspense and to get us to tune in next week. I don’t think there was any other motive (when written and aired) than as a set piece to up the stakes as such. They are on an adventure to find the cockpit for the radio. Wow, pilot is alive, great, brilliant, oh crap weird smoke thing just grabbed him and ripped him to pieces. As AES said, for both the viewers and characters, how does that happen? It also provides an element of suspense rather than surprise over the smoke monster (when you know what could happen, all encounters are more suspensful). It changes the scene from an adventure to a thriller, and for the viewers, lets us know early on that this isn’t an ordinary ‘people crash landed on a deserted island’ story, something else is going on here and it’s weird, supernatural, mean and scary.
I think that later on as the story developed and other characters were introduced, the writers came back to Seth to add depth to the story, for eg. how do we connect Lapidus to the losties? what if he was meant to be there, how? lets make him the original pilot, it also helps to question Widmore’s fake.
They were going to kill someone in that episode before even the major characters and storylines were hashed out, Jack was an option which means that his character arc and massive importance to the ending wasn’t anywhere near thought of or developed. This is why I don’t think there was any pre awareness or meaning behind his death other than to get us to keep watching and to scare the losties, to give them some knowledge of what they were up against.
I know this theory has come from a bit of a different perspective as some of the others. I don’t feel I can see Lost as a piece that was complete when it was started, if that makes sense. I don’t think they had many of the details sorted out at all until they got there, so I’m looking at this from the what did it mean as they wrote it perspective, how did it progress the story then and there.
There are a number of good thoughts as to why MIB killed Seth Norris, and although we cannot actually prove any of them wrong, I think its safe to say that several of them together could very well be right.
The Man In Black, or the Smoke monster has claimed many victims for many reasons. The ultimate goal and reasoning for his violence was to leave the island, something he was willing to achieve at any cost.
He was a man first, and the first victim we know of was the one who raised him, and it was out of revenge and anger (Flashback to a knife in Mothers back).
He killed to help himself in the long run, sometimes while others thought he was helping them (Flashback to Ben summoning “Smokey” to attack the freighter crew).
I believe the main reason that MIB killed Seth Norris was because of someone who was not even at the scene of the murder…John Locke.
The first thing that had to be done was eliminate the only man who has any clue as to the whereabouts of their current destination. Location equals a way to chose a direction off the island before he is able to “embody” the correct…look for the occasion. So very many things need to happen before there can even be a thought of John Locke leaving that island.
This plot…this search for the loophole has been in the works for a very long time, and John more than likely has been involved since at least the 1950’s I would imagine. Around the time when John Locke was first on the island from a chronological perspective by dates that we have learned.
Seth Norris, like Jonas Whitfield, commanded a vessel that “accidentally” crashed onto our island…and like Jonas Whitfield, met a similar fate (Flashback Richard Alpert witnessing Jonas Whitfield being ripped through the ceiling of the Black Rock’s prison cell).
“Six hours in, our radio went out; no one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They’re looking for us in the wrong place.”
Without the pilot to assist their location, they all became truly LOST for the first time…non-metaphorically of course.
It’s quite obvious The Monster could kill at will, with no mercy (Flashback to Jacobs protectors in the statue), and sometimes no real reasoning (Flashback to Danielle Rousseaus team). It easily could have killed anyone including Jack and Locke…but instead actually showed them both something.
MIB admittedly posed as Christian Shepard and led Jack to water…not to mention the empty casket his dead father was supposed to be in. MIB is built on deception and mind games.
He also showed John Locke something.
“”I looked into the eye of this Island, and what I saw… was beautiful.”
John told Eko it was a ” very bright light” that he saw, to which Eko disagreed with seeing.
Eko being another example of the monsters power and perspective. He could read Eko (Flashback to the first time we truly saw the monster flash and scan) and know his deepest sorrow, his biggest weakness. MIB used Yemi against him just as he used Alex against Ben. He realized Eko wasnt going to play his game, and just as he did Zoe (Flashback to the throat slit scene…maybe watch it twice), eliminated a game piece because it was “pointless” to him.
He even took the Losties to the plane after freeing them from Widmore’s cage so close to the end (Flashback to John Locke shooting and neck breaking his way to the cages and into the Ajira plane to take the explosives that Widmore wired)
Some believe that Seth was killed out of his uselessness…which is possible…
But Seth Norris was not always pointless…not by a long shot. He is the one who brought them to the island, and he is the one who was the first example of his ability…a flex of his muscles if you will. But it was Seth’s possible idea of the islands location that was his biggest fault most likely.
Like his brother, MIB knows the people that are important. He knows that certain individuals traveled through time. He showed us this by his knowledge of the compass and its importance of helping John Locke stay on the right path of following his destiny. He knows what John knows, and I would imagine what Christian Shepard and MANY others alike knew.
The Man In Blacks attack against a “pointless” character such as Seth Norris was a way to show his strength, and rile the cages of a few of the important players in Jacobs game…after all, we know he cannot directly kill any of Jacobs candidates, or at least he follows that rule from a technical standpoint (Flashback to Sawyer pulling the bomb wires on the sub).
The Man In Black’s attack against the Pilot, Seth Norris was to take away the opportunity for John, Jack, and the rest of the candidates to leave before he was ready…he may have still been contemplating “what to wear”. He may have been waiting for his own candidate to ripen.
The Man In Black may have killed the pilot for many reasons…but the principal and foremost reason was for us, the viewers.
Not to jump when “a monster” rips a man from the cockpit of a plane right in front of our hero’s eyes.
Not to fear for our Losties as they run through the jungle from the beast as it seems to engulf them as it makes its approach.
Not even to make us wonder 6 years later why he just didn’t allow them ALL to meet the same fate as the Seth and the “Temple Others” (Flashback to The Smoke Monster in full wrath mode killing everyone who didn’t take his offer to “leave the island with him”).
In the pilot episode, the end of the very first one…he didnt kill the pilot more for any reason than to make us ask the very same thing that Charlie asks as he, Jack, and Kate look up and stare at what reflects in the puddle below, “How does something like that happen?”
(Flashback to the white shirted, wingless, and bloodied pilot hanging in the tree)
I believe that the pilot was killed and the others were not harmed for the following combination of reasons:
1. The smoke monster (Man In Black) was seeking people that he could destroy. The opportunity arose with smokey approaching the plane and the individuals inside making themselves known and thus directly exposed to the danger. The pilot became a target when he became visible to the smoke monster, which made its move. The motivation of the smoke monster is part of the “game” between him and Jacob – Jacob’s “guests” are here to prevent smokey from leaving the island, so smoky destorys those that he can, and instills fear and dread in those that he cannot harm via the “rules”.
2. Kate and Jack are not attacked because they cannot be attacked via the “rules” – they are both candidates and thus can only be harmed by accidental death of killing themselves (a plot that smokey ultimately unfolds with the submarine plan).
3. Charlie is not attacked because – IF he is not a candidate, which I will assume here – it is not “his time to die”. One thing to recall is that at the point that the plane crashes, Kate and Jack have already been to the island in terms of a true timeline (they were there in Dharma time – forming future events which include the crash).
Because “whatever happened, happened”, Jack and Kate (and Hugo and others) are destined to go back in time. I think it is reasonable to assume that Charlie is a link to this destined timeline – he has freewill, but he also has a destiny (actually is called predeterminism when someone has freewill but also an ultimate destiny) with the candidates that helps “course correct” them on their journeys. His relationship with them helps forge each of their predetermined paths into the past.
Another way to think of Charlie’s destiny is his impact on Hugo during his life; Hugo, in my opinion, was “fated” to become the island’s keeper. Charlie’s life and death help Hugo become the person he must – the eventual Guardian of the Island. In this way, Charlie was “destined” to guide Hugo on his path, and thus Charlie could not die until it he had fulfilled this destiny.
What is the proof of this?
Charlie’s bond to a predetermined destiny was made clear when his “time to die” had come; this is driven home by Desmond’s attempts to save him which ultimately fail (because they have to).
Not to elaborate too much more, but to clarify the predeterminism that I am referring to: think of a book with a beginning and an end. Charlie can write the book however he wants, but the ending never changes – and along the way, there are likely a few paragraphs that also must appear. Thus he has free will, but also must eventually conform to course correcting and to his ending – the ending of the book. Not everyone in Lost had a “Destiny”, but I believe Charlie did, which was why he was spared in the Pilot – because his life afterwards and eventual death were meaningful to the Fate of the island, and thus the Fate of the world.
Glad to be writing about Lost, Time Travel, Fate and Freewill again!
I believe that Seth Norris was killed by Smokey for two reasons. One reason was internal (story-driven) and the other was external (production-driven).
The simpler explanation is the external, production-driven reasoning behind killing the pilot.. in the pilot. The attention-grabbing magnitude of a man being ripped from the cockpit by a loud, large, and looming unseen monster is hugely captivating; it jolts the audience and makes them wonder what the hell that thing could possibly be. I truly believe that a lot of the details in Lost were worked out after the story had been set. In other words, the writers had no intention of or idea to introduce Frank later on as the original pilot of 815. So the idea of candidates in this sense is far from realized in season 1, which explains why Locke is dragged-off by the monster in Exodus. They didn’t have the idea of candidates until season 4 or 5, so the idea that the monster wasn’t allowed to kill certain folks was long from conception.
Secondly, I believe that, within the context of the story, the monster killed Seth to send a message to the other survivors. Again, within the context of the story, accepting that Smokey was operating under “candidate rules” even in the Pilot, he was not able to kill Jack or Kate (not sure about Charlie). So he killed Seth, who was not a candidate, to scare the hell out of the other Losties.
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Smokie killed the pilot because Seth was of no use to MIB.
This conclusion is based upon examination of the two characters and their relationships.
Smokie. Who did he kill and why? In retrospect, he didn’t seem to kill out of rage – he seemed quite methodical and quite calm when he apologized that Ben had to see him like that.
Those killed seem to be grouped into two major groups: those that attacked him; those that couldn’t be used by him (e.g. the temple) – kind of a ‘if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem’. [I believe all of the people killed could fall into these groups except Mother – who was directly preventing MIB from leaving.
Seth. Not a candidate, never was. He was a ‘good guy’ (long time married, and I think Lapedeus said something like that). MIB likely scanned him and decided he wasn’t ‘controllable’ – he ‘wouldn’t go along’ (If this is why Eco was killed, MIB’s scanning wasn’t to judge good/bad but judge their character and malleability … and usefulness in the one thing MIB wants … to get off the island and ‘go home’.) Indeed, some of the information about how they got ‘Lost’ (or perhaps help them get found w/o MIB) just might have messed up his loophole.
Though Seth was a pilot, the plane itself wasn’t pilotable. Not useful.
Good guys can’t/won’t kill candidates. Not useful.
It was either that … or his breath.
I watched several smokie scenes over again, including the pilot episode, and I think I noticed something significant…
After watching that scene again, it doesn’t seem likely to me that the monster chose to kill the pilot for some overall strategic purpose. It was fairly quick. The group in the cockpit (pilot, Jack, Kate, and Charlie) were making noise talking about the transceiver and what happened when they crashed. I believe, they apparently made enough noise that one of the smokie “whisps” called big smokie to come together and investigate.
Kate+Jack+Charlie are hiding from the monster; but the pilot was so curious, he leaned out the cockpit window to take a look; then the monster killed him. That got me thinking. Before Season Six, I don’t believe the Smoke Monster ever killed anybody who was running away from him. Think of all the scenes where people were running from it; Jack, Kate, Charlie, Charlie in the tree, the group running to the Black Rock (that’s all I can think of at the moment). If the smoke monster really wanted to catch you, there’s nothing you can do to stop it; it’s too fast and too strong.
It seems only to be interested in those who stand up to it. Examples are the pilot, Locke and Ecko. Also,on the French team, the first man that was attacked stood his ground; the monster chose him to pull underneath the temple wall. The french woman “Nadine” dissapeared before the French man; I suspect she stood her ground then was taken, otherwise the monster silently crept up on her and took her, which seems unlikely…
So here’s my theory in a nutshell; ultimately, the monster uses fear to control people. So if you run, he knows he can probably use his big sound effects or other people he’s controlling to push you in a certain direction. If you stand your ground, well that means he gets to examine you and see if you have any deep rooted fears he can use against you. For Locke, he found all the insecurities he had to manipulate him. For Ecko, he ultimately found the lack of fear and had to get rid of him..
For the Oceanic Pilot, it’s probably unlikely he got to “scan” him during that scene. He saw that he didn’t have any fear, then killed him to put more fear of him into Jack+Kate+Charlie…
Here is my entry into the September theory contest.
Very simply put, the pilot was killed because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think Smokey was trying to get at Jack and Kate. The pilot was stupid in sticking his head out the window and Smokey went for the first thing that moved.
I think the Oceanic 815 Pilot was killed by Jacob although it was MIB that appeared to have performed the evil deed simply because Jacob didn’t want the candidates to have exit capabilities off the Island once they became captives.
Jacob was also responsible for blowing up the freighter in S4 (I think) and well as killing the Ajira flight pilot in 5 for similar reason. I believe Christian; who appeared to Michael before he died or got blown to pieces to be precise, while on the freightor, was Jacob because we now know the MIB could not “fly” over water. And who else had that supernatural ability to perform as such at that time?
Also I think Jacob and MIB did not kill Frank because he was a candidate. Remember, Frank was originally to be the 815 pilot but was replaced suspiciously beforehand.
My theory folks!
Hey everyone! Welcome to the first theory contest! Let’s see how this goes 🙂
So, as it’s September, I thought it would be a good idea to have this months contest be about The Pilot. It’s been nearly 6 whole years since The Pilot and I don’t think we ever got a reasonable answer as to why the pilot of Oceanic 815 was killed by the monster.
Was he a candidate? Was “Smokey” expecting it to be Frank? Was “Smokey” just in a bad mood that day?
Post your theories in the normal way but please make a note in the title or the post itself that it’s a contest entry, and then post a link to it in the comments section of this post 🙂
Have fun! I’m going to enjoy reading your theories!
It’s been a while since I last posted anything here. I’m really pleased that some of you still take the time to post stuff here even after Lost has ended 🙂
I wanted to get your opinion on something. I was thinking that every month we could have a Theory Contest where I select a mystery that was unexplained on the show, and you have to submit a theory to explain it. Then at the end of the month there’s a vote on which theory is the best. Obviously, I’m unable to give away real prizes, it’s more just for fun and a way to keep the site more active.
I know most of you probably don’t want to think about Lost now that it’s over, but I know some of you may enjoy the idea. So, let me know what you think, if you’d be willing to join in etc. If it’s a bad idea feel free to let me know 🙂
Hey did anyone ever suggest that Jack would be the new smoke monster? Cus it makes sense in a lot of ways.
– MIB was more trustworthy of science as Jack was, where the new leader of the island Hurley is probably more of a faith guy, like Jacob.
– he woke up in the same place, or at least in the same body position, as MIB after entering the light cave thingy.
– in purgatory Kate said she waited for Jack so long, like at the time I took it as she just had to wait her whole life until she died, but maybe she had to wait til however long Jack’s spirit as the smoke monster got off the island as well. It explains why removing the cork made MIB mortal, so he was able to die and pass on. The same has to happen for Jack to pass on perhaps?
– it be pretty cool.
Thinking about this even more, perhaps anybody who enters the light who is not “permitted” like say Desmond was, turns into the smoke monster. But I dont think turning into the smoke monster necessarily means that person is going to be evil or have a grudge against the protector of the island. That gives more reason to why the writers would characterize MIB so much, he had a single, human motivation. Perhaps it wasn’t his destiny or assignment to be against Jacob, he just chose to be.
So maybe while Hurley and Ben were running things, they talked to a very nice and accommodating Smokie Jack and they just had to find Desmond again so they could let Jack pass on. But knowing Jack, perhaps he pushed that off for awhile, and lent Hurley and Ben a hand on the island. I mean, we know smokie can move a lot of shit, plus Jack would be a good leader while Hurley and Ben were off island.
The writers said the show was about the characters, and it was, and all the shit that the Losties went through were result of Jacob’s and MIB’s character. MIB was pissed (who wouldn’t be, his life wasn’t that great, psycho mom and all) so a lot of shit happened. And perhaps Jacob could have easily went over seas and just gave a few people a job application to take over the island, but he and his brother liked to play games, so they did.Â they both got a God complex or something. And you know what? Thank goodness cus there wouldn’t have been much of a show if the two of them just hugged it out and got along.
Oh and another thing…
…like the mysterious Mom of Jacob and MIB, she was probably both the protector and the smoke monster. Like why not be both? But then if the same procedure had to happen with the cork being removed to make smokie mortal, how she was killed so easily? My answer, it’s fricken LOST and there was probably a loophole or exception that really doesn’t have much logic behind it, but you just have to go with it.
Like maybe because she was both smokie and the light protector allowed her death to be easier, or honestly the fact she didn’t get first word in, or maybe just because the rules don’t apply to her as much. It’s LOST, if the show ever had a straight set of definitive rules the show would have been called FOUND.
After scouring online, I found a link to the full 12 min epilogue video on a Spanish website. It answers many questions in a short period of time. A few things answered are…..
What happens to pregnant woman on the island.
Where the Hurley bird came from.
The food drops.
What happens with Walt.
As simple as the title reads. We all love and miss lost. And we all know not every question was answered. Lets create a definitive list of unanswered questions. I’ll start.
Who were the 3 wise men who created the chess game on the computer, and what was the relevance of telling us about them? Was it a religious theme(3 wise men) or was i an inside joke referring to damon, carleton, and JJ?