OK first off i have posted a few theories which root from this idea, but i never seemed to gain much following, hopefully last nights confirmation of the link between Christian and MIB might sway some people.

When Locke was ‘introduced’ to Jacob in that Cabin, he encountered something that asked for his help, and then it proceeded to throw a tantrum.
The next time he visits Jacobs cabin, Christian is chilling in there, claiming to speak on Jacobs behalf.
Every instruction he gave John, stopping the losties from getting off the island, stopping the freighter from getting to it, moving the island, getting the oceanic 6 to come back, having to sacrifice himself supposedly came from Jacob and had to be done otherwise the island and everyone on it would be in grave danger.
Its now undeniable that these commands were not coming from Jacob. Everything John did to protect and serve ‘the island’ was infact to protect and serve ‘the monster’.

Now on to Ben. If Ben ever did infact see or speak to Jacob prior to Lockes encounter, wouldn’t it make sense that whoever it was wasn’t Jacob either? And the leader before Ben? and before that?
I think this misleading has been going on for a long time, Richard was not aware of it, otherwise why would he let it happen? This also leads me to believe that Richard hasn’t spoken directly to Jacob in a long time either, and maybe Jacob only speaks to the current leader.
I think the others have been blindly following Jacobs word, which hasn’t been coming from Jacob.

I believe that John was ‘claimed’ or ‘infected’ to some extent when he first met the Smoke monster, his crazy instant allegiance to the ‘the island’ is very reminiscent of Danielles crew after their first meeting with smokie. When he first saw it, he said he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful, but now knowing smokies opinion of the island and his plan to go home, to me it seems Locke was fooled.

Everything Locke did for ‘the island’, replace ‘the island’ with ‘the monster’, and it makes ALOT of sense. Whoever is coming to the island, is coming to stop MIB from fulfilling his plan of getting home, wherever that may be, so it would make sense that Locke would be trying to stop to people getting to the island.

Its also funny that the first time the others meet the losties in 1954, Locke tells Richard that he is the next leader of the others. Richards interest is sparked when Locke mentions Jacobs name, and this gets the ball rolling (lets avoid any chicken and egg time travel discussions because they can go on forever). So i also think Jacob never appointed Locke as leader, and has never said such a thing, this was MIB using the time travelling to his advantage, after all it was ‘Christian’ who lead Locke to the time travel causing donkeywheel, and who also told him he had to die. If the others had knowledge of Lockes future leadership position BEFORE Oceanic crashed, its possible that MIB was also aware, this is why smokie got to Locke so soon after the crash.

MIB has fooled Locke and has bamboozled the others, built him up to the leadership position, then had him die and replace him. This might be why Flocke yells at the others, telling them ‘i’m very disappointed in all of you!’ Because they are mindless sheep who blindly follow the word of Jacob, a man they’ve never seen or spoken to, without even questioning why or if the words are actually coming from him. Now they have to pay the consequences, and MIBs plan to get home is in motion.

But now Jacobs counteraction is in motion, i think he has been waiting patiently for a long time, knowing that MIB would find his loophole and kill him. But now in his ‘dead’ state, the next level of the game begins, and MIB will finally be stopped for good.

Anyway, throw some feedback my way, as i think i’m on to something. I have posted similar theories before, but as the show develops there is more proof that this is the case.

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Written 9th February

About the ash keeping Smokie in: I just finished watching the newest episode and they had little subtitle notes on the bottom. At first it was a bit annoying but they actually gave some information there. They said that the ash was put around the cabin to keep the smoke monster OUT. So I’m thinking that it was originally Jacob’s cabin, which is why Ben always went there, but Smokie got in when ever the line of ash was broken. As to when this happened, I haven’t the slightest clue.
I remember reading a post (can’t remember who’s, sorry) that said the piece of tapestry was left by Jacob as a kind of note telling Iliana where he went. I think this makes sense. The only thing I’m confused on is how Richard knew to go to the statue instead of the cabin.

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Written 3rd February

Christian is in the cabin. The circle of ash is intended to keep Smokey out not in…just think how difficult it would be to actually trap such a fast moving entity into a small cabin…Since MIB can transform into Smokey Im going to assume its near impossible to trap him. Plus Jacob cannot be killed by him so why would he worry about trapping him? So the ash is then used to protect someone. It wouldnt be Jacob because he lives underneath the statue.  When MIB is talking to him about wanting to kill him Jacob just says “Ill be here” referencing his home under the statue.  Jacob is instead protecting Christians body there.  If MIB/Smokey can never get a look or read at Christians body then he can never possess his memories/thoughts. That is why the coffin of Christians is empty.

Now when Hurley approaches the cabin he sees Christian inside…wearing WHITE tennis shoes.  We also see Christian wearing these shoes in the last Lost mobisode (offering extra content and insight) when he tells Vincent to wake up his son because “he has work to do”.  This occurs immediately after the crash in season 1.  Right when Jack lands on the island Christian is sending help to Jack.  He knows the power he has.  That moment with Vincent we can assume that Christian is acting on Jacobs behalf because how would MIB know anything about Jack?  He doesnt.  The white shoes reperesents Christian acting on Jacobs behalf.  So him wearing those shoes inside the cabin when Hurley sees him means he is there as a result of Jacob protecting him.  Not to mention the color of the shoes plays into the entire White vs Black, Light vs Dark motifs.  Plus Flocke is walking around in a pair of Christians black shoes showing their opposition to one another….oh irony.

Plus one more little thing. If MIB was really in the cabin then why would he have allowed that piece of cloth indicating the location of Jacobs home there on the wall?  If your nemesis tried to leave some sort of clue on the wall wouldnt you tear it down? 

This is my first post so take it easy on me….

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A few small things that I think should be kept in mind:

The person who was in the cabin dislikes technology. (According to Ben, although I don’t know how he would know that or how much he knows, I still think he’s holding a few secrets that have yet to be revealed, he always seems to know more)

The smoke monster seemed to live in the temple in the past, that is probably what he meant by home, and for some reason, he was thrown out, while these people seem to guard this “fountain of youth”.

When the guy in charge at the temple looked at that paper,  he then asked all their names. Is this where all those lists were for? The people that got snatched were the chosen ones who go to guard the temple? I think all their names were written on that paper, Jacob’s final list perhaps? As well as some sort of message. That’s why it was suddenly important to heal Sayid, because he’s somehow important, just like everyone on the list.

One of the stations(the orchid?) was surrounded by some ash or something, was that to keep the monster out?

The “rules” that apply to Jacob/MIB, also seem to apply to Ben/Widmore(or are at least very similar), remember how they can’t kill each other? There’s a game going on here that we’ve never had explained to us, with rules that are established. I mean even the “others”, and what they do was never really explained.

So, who was in the cabin?

I think it was the MIB, being that the MIB seems to despise life off the island, and humanity in general. Remember how he was talking about how “pitiful” life is off the island to Ben? It would follow that he would hate technology, whereas the real Jacob seems to have no problem going out into the outside world to influence events etc. Also, Jacob’s servants/bodyguards said that “he” hadn’t been there for a long time, and that “someone else has been using it”, it would seem Jacob had been working on that tapestry and living on the beach for quite a while I imagine.

questions: how did Ben know anything about a cabin?

Richard knew just where Jacob was and brought the leader when asked. Why didn’t Ben ever simply ask Richard to bring him to Jacob?

So I conclude, it was probably the MIB who was trapped in the cabin. Which leads us to..

The smoke monster problem. If the MIB is the smoke monster, then he couldn’t have been trapped in that cabin the whole time. But then, the MIB isn’t known as a truthful guy, so why should we believe he is the monster just because he said so anyway? He could just be in charge of him, or be part of him. Maybe he was trapped physically in the cabin, but could project or control the monster outside of it, then someone broke the line and let them get back together.  Or maybe there are just other elements that allow him out sometimes, but not always.

Finally, the ash…

I don’t see how we could really accurately guess what it is, but I see a lot of people saying that it could be Jacob, well that would be really surprising, as the temple people as well as Jacobs bodyguards already have it, and they seem to have LOADS of it in the temple, remember they’re making a very large circle. No, I don’ think its Jacob’s ashes. It must have some sort of significance that has yet to be revealed. One idea is that it’s from the statue, all crumbled up, but who knows.

Well, thats all I’ve got.

Let me know what you guys think.

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Ok I am having trouble wrapping my head around something. Someone here should be able to shed some light for me.

I was getting the impression that MIB/Smokie was the one in the cabin the whole time. The ring of ash would mean he was held captive inside the cabin. At some point that ring of ash was broken and he would have been released.

How then was smokie running around on the island from the very first episode? We don’t actually know when the ring of ash was broken. So maybe that happened before the pilot? Maybe Jacob was in the Cabin at first? Then smokie got locked in there later?

Illana and crew said that someone else was using the cabin then burnt it to the ground.

I’m just looking for clarity on this. It seems weird to me.

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Hello folks!

Just a little thing I caught while rewatching Season 5’s “The Incident.” A little after the reunion of Rose and Bernard and Sawyer’s group, the couple brought them by their cabin. I also took notice of both trees on both sides of the cabin.

The scene immediately after Rose and Bernard’s scene, we get to Ilana and the gang walking up to Jacob’s cabin, but of course 30 years later. I noticed the trees on both sides as well. OKAY, the cabins may not look exactly the same; it could have been renovated during the years. But do you find it odd that the scenes took place next to each other and the fact that there are two recognizable trees on either side? Also, Ilana mentioned prior to torching it that “someone else has been using it” [other than Jacob, assumingly]. Last thing to note, take a look at the following screenshot of a Rose/Bernard scene: http://tinyurl.com/ybkh7bn. This is [I think] the only angle we see a good shot of the ground with what I think are ashes..?

Not sure if this pushes the story, but nonetheless an odd coincidence and interesting.

Note: I apologize if this was talked about. I’m a newcomer and haven’t seen all of the threads 😛

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This is something i thought about recently, after thinking about what we saw of Jacob in last seasons finale.

He seemed to be a kind, peaceful, gentle and spiritual person (if he is a person). He never showed any anger and never forced anyone to do anything they didn’t want to, right up until the point that Ben stabbed him. He told Ben that he had a choice, Ben still chose to kill him and Jacob just stood there and took it. When Jacob met Hugo in the taxi and gave him the guitar case, again he stated that he had a choice about going back to the island and that he didn’t have to do anything he didn’t want to.

Does he sound like someone who would send people out with guns to take children from their parents?
Does it sound like someone who writes lists of people that they needed to take and hold hostage in cages for whatever reason?
Would he order a young man to wipe out his whole community including his own father?
In fact, would he even be the type of person to lead a bunch of weapon carrying commandos?

I don’t think Jacob seemed like the type of man to give anyone orders full stop.

M.I.B on the other hand…
What if all along M.I.B has been giving these orders under the guise of ‘Jacob’? I believe Richard is a big part of the game going down and i think hes either working with M.I.B or has been duped by him. Better yet, just like everyone else, hes just a chess piece, a middle man between the two who has no power of his own. When Ben first took Locke to meet Jacob, we were introduced to some sort of possibly supernatural malevolent being that shook the cabin and made stuff fly about agressively, again doesn’t add up with the Jacob we now know. Could that have been M.I.B before his little ‘loophole’ came into play, before Locke had ‘helped him’?

Again Richard must have known this, as in the finale when Locke and Ben went to see Jacob, Richard knew exactly where Jacob really resides right? Are the others aware of M.I.Bs existence, or have they been blindly following what they thought were Jacobs orders?

I think M.I.B has been the ‘man behind the curtain’ the whole time, and Jacob has been waiting patiently for the inevitable, for M.I.B to find a way to kill him and get the upper hand, but the losties returning on flight 316, going back in time and causing whatever they’ve caused at the end of last season is in fact Jacobs ‘loophole’. Thats why Flocke looked so worried when Jacob said ‘they’re coming’ as he died.

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okay, this is a bit out there but its just a thought.

Firstly, when we first met Jacob in that cabin, i’m pretty sure that wasn’t Jacob, but thats not my point. everything happens for a reason, when Ben escorted Locke to the cabin, Locke noticed an ashy substance circling it.

When Ben stabbed jacob, FLocke kicked Jacobs body into the fire.

Knowing how time works on this show, what if its Jacobs ashes scattered around the cabin??

Just some food for thought, my head hurts.

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Any thoughts on what happened in “Jacobs” cabin when locke and ben visited and things started flying around now that we know Ben doesn’t have a clue and in light of what we now know about Jacob and his nemesis?

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Christian Shepherd = Jacob’s Paradox Blocker

What is Christian Shepherd’s Role in all this?? My theory is that he works for Jacob. Jacob uses him to make sure a paradox doesn’t occur. Becuase i believe Jacob is really John Locke I will give my proof on that later, but first I’ll Explain about Christian.

When Locke becomes Jacob, he realizes that there are some problems. The main one being, he can’t give advice to his past ( or future? self ) without causing a paradox. So, when Locke arrives on the Island, so does Christian. This is Christian’s Destiny. Jacob ( Locke ) takes Christian’s dead body and resurrects it. Jacob tells Christian to be a messenger for him, since he cant talk to Locke himself.

This can explain why Jacob doesn’t like light. When John and Ben visit Jacob, they come too soon, Christian isn’t there to talk to John. So he makes sure John cant see him. If he cant see him there is no Paradox. But when Locke shines the light, Jacob freaks out. Locke sees him momentarily, and runs from the cabin.

From then on Jacob is more careful, and sends Christian out for all his tasks to avoid and chance of a Paradox.

Locke = Jacob

One Reason is that Ben says that Locke is a Leader, but he never even gets to Lead the Others or the Survivors. Ben says this because He knows Locke will become Jacob, and lead them all.

Another reason is Because of The shots of Jacob in the chair. If you look carefully it bares a strong resemblance to Locke.

This may just be me, but i believe it looks like him.

Please Leave your comments, and feedback. Thanks

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