Written 3rd February

I don’t really know where to start!!

The whole “man in black (mib) is the black smoke-monster” thing was kinda predictable thou.. here is a cool thing.. MIB/Smokey ?

Im woundering more what does MIB stand for? It seems Jakob is “free will” and the MIB is “something” else.. Almost as if they were “Destiny” and “Chance” ? Like life on earth is decided by Destiny at this moment, and has been for a while, but now when MIB is the one left, the “real world” will be decided by Chance.. (maybe refering to their conversation, and how bitter the MIB was on “Humans”)

And does this effect the “real world“, as in when Jacob got killed, the “new time line” is a result of how life would be if MIB ruled the island?

One thing that caught me was the conversation Jack had with Rose and the Stewardess. In Season 1, Jack is the one who says “Don’t worry“, now it’s Rose who says it. And in Season 1, the stewardess gives Jack two bottles, now she gives him one? Is that an important change? Or is it just random changes to show the audience that there’s been a change?

There was kinda cool that desmond was on the plane, but that’s really bothers me, couse WHY would he be on that plane, at that time, he was in the Hatch, pushing the button? Couse if juliet changed everything with the Hydrogen bomb, why are the island on the bottom of the sea? WITH dharmaville houses left? Did the island sink in the 70s? Or did something else (that we don’t know about yet) happen, that made it sink? (remember the flying fire arrows in the time-jumps?)

As Charlie said “Iv’e should have died“, is a deep “destiny” thing, couse when Charlie died he maneged to save Desmond, now when Jack helped him, Desmond couldn’t survive, and that why he disapeard in the plane?

The way everybody met in the “new timeline” are events that no person (in that reality) could have seen, Kate & Sawyer had a attractive force, without knowing what they “may” have went through, if they crashed. The same with Frogurt and Artz, they were the same caracters in “real life” as on the Island. Locke and Jack even had a attractive force, and their objects they were missing are very important (or somehow repeating subjects through the serie) Locks knives, the knives who he choosed wrong when Alpert visited him as a kid, the knifes that Locked killed boars with, (and Naomi ^^) Knifes and Locke are one!

Jack and his Dad, the coffin, are also a very important subject to the serie, as we could see “Christian” (or smokey) guide the Losties through their way theyv’e ended up now. The fact that Jacks dad is missing makes me think that all the Losties in the new timeline can’t escape their destiny, they all are gonna feel that something is wrong sooner or later! (charlie is going to die, nomatter what he does). Jack may be finding his dad alive (couse everythings changed), or he’s getting eager to “fix” this with his dad, and founds something he did in the “alternative life” (what we’ve seen throug season 1-5), that made an effect on the “new time line“. And he will realize he had a “alternative life”

..well, Nuff said about the “New timeline”

The temple, i was relly lifted to see that, still don’t get it all, why the stewardess is there, and the children, couse from the beginning they were on Jacobs list, they got kidnaped in season 2 and we didn’t now to where, now we got the answer, but why? What does they have that the temple people have? Why does they fit in their community?  And where do they come from? Why does he speak Japanese? Are they the people from the black rock?

And finally, Flocke says something about Alperts chains, i don’t think it’s a metaphore, maybe it has something to do with the slaves at the black rock? Some one gave him eternal life without ageing? Maybe it’s over now when Jacob is dead? Ben said that Alpert is some kind of Adviser of the island, i think Jacob, MIB and Alpert are somehow connected, those three are the “owners” of the island in some how?

Iv’e tried to be brief, hehe

/N-D Sweden

Don’t forget the vendetta between Ben & Widmore, the numbers, how the statue falled and don’t forget what the prophet said about Aaron, and how he had to be raised! ^^

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Well for a start I’d like to say this will either be like…Aah! I has potential or it will be a load of rubbish.

I’ll get straight to the point:

Charlie Hume comes to the island along with Penny and Desmond for a reason that will be explained, Penny and Desmond go through a time window and end up around 1930-1945. The Others kill them but spare Charlie, they give him a name, Charles Widmore. Why Widmore you say? Well maybe they find a Widmore reference on the Island in 19?? or perhaps on Penny. And Charles well…maybe Penny shouts Charles/Charlie before she gets shot or something.

We have seen the stones in the caves in Flashes Before Your Eyes on the table haven’t we? So Penny and Des could possibly be the skeletons, but WHY would they have the stones? This makes Penny’s Son her Father too, which I read a theory on the fun section? I think. And also I have commented this in less detail?

See what you can do guys and correct me if I’m wrong there are a lot of holes in this mad chaotic theory but I hope I can open your eyes to something and begin to unravel the lost mystery! Good Luck!

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Ille qui nos omnes servabit – he who will save us all. Due to this one sentence the question “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” can be put in another way – “Who lies in the shadow of the statue?” We all have our own opinion about of who this person might be but if we use some logic we might stumble over some interesting ideas? First off, either we take Illana’s statement word for word leading us to the conclusion – he has to lie in the shadow of the statue or the other way around we can sort some things out. If we’re certain Illana has chosen her words carefully someone really does lie in the shadow of the statue – this shadow might be the one we saw on the little piece of map which hang on the wall in the cabin in “The Incident: Part 2“. That very shadow pointed out to sea which lead to some different scenarios. In previous seasons we’ve been handed the knowledge that the Others build different kinds of stations throughout their existence on the island – both on-land-stations and underwater stations. Maybe they built a underwater station, like the Hydra, near the foot of the statue where the “he who will save us all” lies waiting to be resurrected. This “he” might be the real Jacob and not the fake one seen in Season 5 – obviously this is nothing else than a thought – read more about that in my posted question named “Two Jacob?” Do you really think it’s just a coinsidence that Tawaret was given the power of rebirth? This following is just an idea that came to me in this exact second – wouldn’t it be cool if Charlie was the “he“? Haha, I mean he does lie, dead for that matter, in the Hydra which also is an underwater-station. Long story short, it would most likely surprise the most of us. Now back to reality – there might be a few other posibilities of who lies in the shadow of the statue. One that so many of you have already thought of is that it might be Locke who will be resurrected in order to save the island. Now I am thruthfully too tired to continue writing, I’d better get some sleep now – tell me what you think, but don’t be too hard on me, remember – we all have a purpose.

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Here is what I don’t get about Charlie dying at the end of season 3.

When skeletor pops up in the window with the grenade and charlie runs to the door to close it…
why did he just not step out the door and duck around the side or tackle Desmond to the ground???

or say “Fire in da hole Brutha!” and dive into the submarine bay??

He already pushed the button. The yellow light already stopped flashing.
It didn’t matter if the place flooded, they already would have had to swim out.
And not that it would have made a difference (probably) but why didn’t he at least try to open the damn door!!!!

Instead he’s like cool, I’m gonna rock out on some underwater air guitar. He was probably playing stairway to heaven or something. Did he not see the sign in the store??? NO stairway to heaven!

don’t get me wrong, i understand the writers killed him for some reason, and i certainly liked charlie, but, to me, this is Darwin’s theory of evolution at work. To put it in the words of a wise wise man by the name of Red Foreman, “Charlie, you dumbass!”

Tonight I play my own song for Charlie, it is a new song by an old british band that died in the 80’s and somehow came back, just like ol’ Charlie wanted to do with Drive-Shaft it was written by the Pet Shop Boys. its called “I’m with Stupid.”

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I think that in the final season’s a lot of characters are gonna comeback or we’ll see flashbacks of them.

Walt: He seemed like the most important character of the show at first with his “gift” he’s definitly connected to the island.

Libby: If I remember it right she was pretending not to know Hurley, when we know for fact that she was in the same institution as him. She bought a boat for penelope widmore. And then she ends up in that island!!!!She did not end up in that island for no reason!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie: I think that the guitar case Hurley was bringing with him on the plane is Charlie’s and that Charlie’s past gonna turn out to be very significant.

Desmond: Desmond’s definitly got a unique gift and I think is really important for the island maybe he’s from the past of the island and doesn’t remember it.

Claire: Claire’s probably gonna play an important part in the next season. To many questions about her and Aaron are unanswered.

Tell me what YOU think.

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Theory: Yes, I think that Kate is pregnant.

Why?

It all goes along with the what Eloise said to the Oceanic Six before the return to island. Let me explain.

ELOISE: Come on in.

JACK: Ben and Sun-

ELOISE: Heard what they needed to hear, and this does not concern them. [She looks through a large amount of papers on the desk.] Oh. Here we are. [She brings a battered envelope to Jack. We see it has “Jack Shephard” written on the front.]

JACK: What’s this?

ELOISE: It’s John Locke’s suicide note.

[Thunder continues rumbling]

JACK: [Sighs] Uh… I, uh… I didn’t know.

ELOISE: Well, why would you? Obituaries don’t see fit to mention when people hang themselves, Jack.

JACK: [Sighs] Why would he kill himself?

ELOISE: Ohh… there are many reasons, I’m sure, but the only one that matters is this–he is going to help you get back. John is going to be a proxy. A substitute.

JACK: A substitute for who?

ELOISE: Jack… who do you think? You need to, as best you can, recreate the conditions of the original flight… which is why you need to give John something of your father’s. You have to get something that belonged to your father, and you need to give it to John.

JACK: What?

ELOISE: That’s what you have to do.

JACK: My father… is gone. My father has been dead for three years. You want me to… [scoffs] a–and to give it to Locke?! He’s in a coffin! This is ridiculous.

ELOISE: Oh, stop thinking how ridiculous it is and start asking yourself whether or not you believe it’s going to work. That’s why it’s called a leap of faith, Jack.

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

Eloise explains, rather vaguely, that they have to “recreate” the first plane crash as best the can in order for the second crash to find the island. That’s why Locke had to die and why Jack had to give him something of his father’s. Now the way I believe it had to work was not that they had have all the same situations on the second plane that they did on the first, that would be impossible, but moreso that everyone from Oceanic 815 that was going to be on flight 316 had to fit the role of someone from Oceanic 815 whether it was by being themself again or by fitting the situation of someone else (the other passengers excluded from this as the island doesn’t know them yet so it doesn’t matter–they’re created their own original situation)–that seems straightforward and it’s easy to pick out as they’re boarding the plane.

[As Jack walks through the plane he sees Sayid. Sayid looks up and looks like he wants to say something, but then he looks at the woman next to him and frowns, avoiding Jack’s eyes. Jack sees Sun, next. She has Jin’s ring in her hands. Jack sees Kate. She’s keeping her head low and looking away.]

JACK: You made it.

KATE: [taking off her sunglasses] Yeah, I made it.

[Jack continues walking to his seat and sits down.]

[Hurley enters, carrying a guitar case in front of him.]

FLIGHT ATTENDANT: That should be everybody.

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

So the Oceanic Six (plus Locke and minus Aaron) are all here. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun, Hurely and Locke. The fact that Ben and Frank are there too is irrelevant (at least for now) because they weren’t on Ocean Six so they have nothing to recreate just as none of the other passengers do either. It’s these Six who have to recreate the role of a previous 815 character in order for the island to accept them back–that’s what Eloise says, we don’t know why, that’s just the way it is.

Hurley is taking on the role of Charlie here. I’m not entirely sure but I think the guitar might actually be Charlie’s–either way though, it clearly shows that he’s brought a guitar just like Charlie did that first flight. Hurley’s on board and the island will recognize him for filling Charlie’s spot, or at least having something of Charlie’s.

Sayid is taking on Kate’s old role as the fugitive in handcuffs with a “special friend” beside him to watch over him–we also know that Alana, Sayid’s special friend, knew where guns were (we see her and those other dude’s with a buttload of guns during episode 11) and it’s likely that they were hers because she knew Sayid was dangerous–just as the Marshal, Mars, from season one had a buttload of guns because he knew, or believed that Kate was dangerous. So Sayid is on board and the island will recognize him for filling Kate’s original role.

Sun and Jack are two that can go either of two ways and I’m not entirely sure that it matters but I’ll explain both anyway.

Sun and Jack could either be simply themselves since little has changed with them and they can therefore fill their own previous roles, or Sun could be compared to Rose and Jack to Charlie (I’m not sure if both Hurley and Jack can work as Charlie-fillers, but who knows). Sun is still a married Korean woman and Jack is still a doctor so they can technically still be themselves. But the episode specifically shows Sun fingering Jin’s wedding ring and this can be paralleled to Rose who wore her husband Bernard’s wedding ring around her neck and fingered it similarly before the crash, waiting to see him again when he “gets back from the bathroom”. Jack was also somewhat of a junkie since he became addicted to that drug and this again parallels Charlie–either way, the island will recognize them.

Locke is obviously Christian Shepard, Jack’s (and Claire’s) father as this is the one example we’re actually 100% sure of since Eloise Hawking uses him as a direct example of this weird sort of role filling the gang has to do in order to be accepted back to the island. He’s dead, he’s in a coffin, and he’s wearing Christian’s shoes so he fills that role and the island will take him back as such.

Now when I was thinking all this through while watching them get on the plane (I was going–“oh, look, Hurley’s got a guitar! Sayid’s in handcuffs–o.m.g!” and totally geeking out that the writers are such geniuses, as if that wasn’t already apparent) I found myself wondering how Kate fit in. She can’t fit the role of herself because she’s no longer a fugitive, she’s a free woman and not in handcuffs, no wanted, no marshal with a pack of guns watching her. She can’t be Sun because she’s not a married Korean woman. She can’t be Ana Lucia because she’s not a cop, can’t be Libby because she’s not insane nor a psychiatrist, she can’t be Rose because she’s not a married black woman waiting for her husband and fingering his wedding ring, she has no obvious role to fill–so then I thought of Claire. HOLY CRAP SHE’S A YOUNG, UNMARRIED PREGNANT WOMAN–AH!

It works other ways too because if you think about it, Claire was pregnant with Christian Shepard’s grandson, since he was her father, the baby–Aaron–had Christian’s third-generation blood in it, right? And Jack is also the child of Christian Shepard and the same blood runs through his veins, so any child of his would also be the grandson of Christian Shepard.

Now, back in Season Three when Juliet was first introduced as the defecting Other, we found out that she was taking samples from all the woman to see if they were pregnant and there was this whole big deal where “Austen” was the next one but we never found if she was or not (knowing that her and Sawyer had been together) and Kate was worried for the rest of the season until discovering that she wasn’t. That whole plot seemed weird and random and it was sort of a reoccurring theme that Kate was worried about being pregnant.

She was the one who helped Sun out when Sun found out she was pregnant and there Sun asked her if she’d ever taken a pregnancy test and of course Kate got that look in her eyes that means “flashback will be arriving soon”.

In the flashback within a later episode we watch her entire story about married life with police officer Kevin, just so she can take a pregnancy test, freak out, and then drug him and leave with the excuse of “I was almost pregnant”. Okayyyy.

Next her and Sawyer and that whole deal happens and while at the Dharma village she talks to Claire and we see her deer-in-headlights reaction to Claire asking her to pick up Aaron so he’ll stop crying. Again–why? Who cares?

Then Claire says “you try it sometime” in reference to having a baby and later Kate seems confused about the whole kid deal. While in bed with Sawyer we find out that she now knows she’s not pregnant and Sawyer is jubilant while she still seems confused and then gets angry with his over-the-top joyful reaction and leaves.

Finally we see Kate deciding to take Aaron as her own and, with the help of Cassidy, it’s revealed to both us and to Kate that she “needed him”–needed this child to look after and love. Okay–but clearly she can’t have Aaron, he’s not hers, he can’t stay with her forever, and no matter what she thinks, she’ll never be his mother. So the thing she needs she can’t get simply by claiming. Hmm.

[Jack walks into his apartment and closes the door. He flicks on the light switch and goes to the kitchen. He pours a drink and we hear the door close. Jack stops pouring and looks around. Jack hears footsteps and a light thud. Jack slowly walks through his apartment and into his bedroom where he finds someone lying on the bed. He moves closer and sees it’s Kate.]

JACK: Kate? What are you doing here?

KATE: Are you still going back to the Island?

JACK: Yeah. Yeah, I think I am.

KATE: Then I’m going with you.

JACK: Kate… what happened? Where’s Aaron? Where–

KATE: [Getting up and facing Jack] No, don’t ask questions. If you want me to go with you… you’ll never ask me that question again. You will never ask me about Aaron. Do you understand, Jack?

JACK: Yes.

KATE: Thank you.

[They kiss, Jack takes off his suit-coat, and they lie on the bed.]

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

I think it’s easily implied what happens here Kate being who she is and us knowing what she does when she’s “sad”. Coincidentally this takes place the night before they leave to go home and off the island which makes things considerably better if it works out the way I think because at least she won’t die like Juliet believes happened to all the other women who got pregnant on the island. I think that this had to happen just as Sayid had to get arrested, Sun had to end up with Jin’s ring, Jack had to get depressed and strung out on drugs and Hurley had to be visited by Charlie and procure a guitar (perhaps we’ll see a flashback of how Hurley got a guitar–maybe Charlie came back to visit him again, we know that it was Charlie who first began visiting Hurley so it might very well be that he told Hurley to take his guitar or even gave it to him) and Locke had to die. It all had to happen and Kate had to get pregnant. She needed someone’s shoes to fill (no pun intended–hehe Locke) and that was Claire’s.

A final note to this, although I don’t think it really has much to do with anything is that when Kate gave up Aaron in the last episode “Dead is Dead” to his grandmother she also revealed that her reason for going back to the island is to find Claire and somehow, for some reason she believes that Claire is alive. I think we can probably trust this because it seems like everyone has had some sort of weird epiphany without reason about the island and why they have to go back and I can’t see why that would happen if it wasn’t true. Going from “I’m never going back there” to “I’m going back to find Claire, she’s alive” in like a matter of days seems pretty hardcore.

So, while this isn’t some huge, earth-shattering theory about the meaning of the island, I really think that the parallels between the 815/316 flights have meaning to them for the specific characters and it seems to me that the only conclusion that fits into the picture is that Kate is preggo and Jack’s going to be papa. 🙂

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Sorry if I already posted this, but I tried and can’t find it, so here it is again.(if I already posted it tell me how to delete it ’cause I can’t figure it out)
This isn’t a theory. It’s Charlie’s song “Saved”, in full, by the Bangkok Five.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyiBsjpOq7c

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This is Charlie’s song “Saved” in full. All LOST, especially Charlie fans, should check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyiBsjpOq7c

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Well… I think LOST is the story of a big temporal loop that will last for eternity. We will find out that the survivors of the crash (and all the people that came in the island) are actually the parents or grand parente of the OTHERS. So years later when they have kids (yes kids, because we know Others can’t have kids but nothing is said about the flight survivors, I think the kids issue is not because of the island but because of time – during the series we are made to believe “the island wants”, “the island wont let”

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