I haven’t posted here for a while, as sadly this season of Lost hasn’t inspired much thought for me.
i feel bad for saying this, as it goes against all the praise i’ve heaped upon the creators and cast of this show over the past few years, but this season (and to a lesser extent the last one) has been pretty mediocre television.

I’d like to think i’m not the only one, and hopefully this thread will be a place where anyone who does feel a little let down can express their opinion. I’ve always thought Lost was this brilliant show that had all these brilliant ingredients that made it so much better than anything else out there, but now when i watch it its actually pretty…well…dull.

The first say three seasons i’ve watched so many times, and every element of them was brilliant, the script, acting, music, little easter eggs here and there. I felt everytime i rewatched an episode, there was something i’d previously missed. This season and the last i haven’t even bothered watching repeats as its just not that involving anymore. Somethings missing.
Now, i’m not one of these people that just watches it to get answers (although its getting that way as there isn’t much else left), but the way they are going about answering the mysteries mostly through dialogue has seemed pretty lazy, alot of the time contrived and at worst laughable. ‘Oh yeah, by the way, the whispers are ghosts’ ‘Yeah Jack, i pretended to be your dead dad’. I loved all the characters, and the flashbacks were some of the fantastic elements of the show, getting to know all their back stories, i felt like i knew them all so well. This to me was one of the most important parts of the show, and the show was never the same once they ended. Now i don’t really get what their motivations are.

The emotion is missing, i remember watching past seasons, it never failed to strike up the feelings they were trying to get from the viewer, i’ll admit it, even shedding a tear now and then. Now whenever the sad violin music comes on and theres a little ’emotional’ scene, it just comes across as forced and cheesy. It often seems like the actors feel the same way, as they do their best to make some of the poorly written dialogue believable. I’ve waited for each episode this season with baited breath, expecting that lost magic to happen after the last ones shocking cliffhanger, only to sit through yet another uneventful hour until the last couple of minutes.

It feels to me that only true fans of Lost would watch this season, as i can’t see any reason why anyone else would. All the elements that previously made the show great, the characters, the drama, the mysteries, have been replaced by some pretty substandard television. I do feel that although some don’t like to admit it, alot of you feel the same. I am just hoping that this past three seasons of setup (since ‘the beginning of the end’) is leading up to the epic conclusion that the creators have made it out to be, but i will settle for a reasonably satisfying ending.

So, please share your thoughts, open up and share with the group. We’re listening.

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I was just gonna wait for someone else to post this, which I’m sure most of us fans who get way into Lost are probably researching right now, but i couldn’t wait…

The conversation between Miles and Lapidus, Lapidus says “Don’t talk about bacon”.  Francis Bacon was a philosopher, scientist and author.  I’ll let you do the research on wikipedia, he is famous for the scientific method and is also noted as having “His dedication brought him into a rare historical group of scientists who were killed by their own experiments.”  Maybe like the Dharma Initiative.

He also wrote a book called New Atlantis, which makes me feel like the writers of Lost are just taking the most obscure books out there and putting them together to make a show.  But this book has everything, again you can do the research, but here are some key points:

– takes place on an island called Bensalem (the island/my next vacation spot)

– discovered by the crew of a European ship (Black Rock)

– trip was sponsored by a scientific institution (Dharma/Hanso Foundation)

– travelers are quarantined to the “House of Strangers” (temple of the Others?)

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I was reading about the Valenzetti Equation on Lostpedia and I came up with this about a minute ago (and it’s really late!), so bear with me if it’s garbled…lol.

Alright, so for those of us who don’t really read Lostpedia and refer ONLY to the show for information..when I am talking about the Valenzetti Equation, I am simply referring to the numbers Hurley thinks are evil (and won the lotto with). To name a few places we have seen these numbers: on the hatch door, Hurley’s lottery, the cave where UnLocke took Sawyer..etc. As far as I know, the numbers have never been referred to as the “Valenzetti Equation” on the show itself. Correct me if I am wrong (and cite evidence please)! I got the name from Lostpedia…continuing on.. the numbers apparently denote the number of years and days until the end of the world. The Dharma Initiative (DI) tried to manipulate the “core factors” of the equation to prevent doomsday but failed because they kept arriving at the same six numbers.

On Lostpedia, it says that the DI tried to manipulate the numbers by manipulating the environment. Now, I do not know if the environment means the world in general, or only the island. Whatever I summarized above was basically ALL I read and understood from the short article on the Valenzetti Equation.

The following is my theory based on the above.

I have two ideas about the environment. One is that the DI needed a safe space to manipulate the general world’s environments, but they had no space to do this that was safe for populations. For example, if I want to test a bomb, I don’t want to explode it near a city when I don’t know the radius of the explosion, right? Similarly, perhaps the DI traveled to an undiscovered island and conducted experiments to manipulate the environment. Perhaps these experiments are what gave the island its powers – time travel, moving around to different locations, healing, etc.

My OTHER idea is that the island already had its special properties – time travel, moving around, healing, etc. – and this is why the DI traveled there to conduct the experiments. Perhaps the DI thought that the island’s unique properties were conducive to changing the “core factors” of the Valenzetti Equation. (I put “core factors” in quotes because I have zero knowledge of what that phrase means…ha ha!)

Regardless of which of my two ideas may be correct, let’s see what we know about the DI stations. (I mix up all the names – forgive me..)

Remember the Orchid? Ben took Locke there in an elevator headed way down into the ground.. Then, Ben proceeded to show Locke a video made by the DI on time travel. (Yes, that video with the time traveling bunny!!) Now, why the heck would the DI, who are “conducting psychology experiments” (psh, yeah right) need a time machine? Well, if they were trying to change an equation to save the world and ran out of time, it makes sense to have a fall back. That fall back could be… going BACK in time to give themselves a second (or third or fourth) chance at it. For example, if you knew your spouse was going to die in three days but had a button to keep starting the three days over and over, wouldn’t you keep pushing it? Similarly, I think because the DI kept failing, they kept repeating a certain period of time over and over again (hence so many time loop theories on the internet) to buy themselves more time to successfully manipulate the Valenzetti Equation. This would also explain why Jacob and MiB had that weird conversation on the beach…MiB says “It always ends the same..” (with time having to be reset/replayed) and Jacob says something like “It only ends once, everything else is just progress..” Every time the time loop plays, the equation gets closer and closer to being changed but then they run out of time and the loop has to start over….

Let’s see..then we have a DI station built for polar bears (I forget the name of the station – Hydra?). Polar bears…on an island which has a tropical climate? Well, if the DI were trying to manipulate the environment, maybe they were trying to do something involving the climate. The only things related to “cold” on the island are the polar bears and the donkey wheel, which is located in a freezing underground tunnel-like place. Perhaps the DI were trying to see if the polar bears could adjust? Or perhaps they were trying to change the environment so that the polar bears wouldn’t have to adjust…

The brainwashing station: I don’t know the name for this, but it’s where the Losties rescued Carl from..he was buckled in a seat watching this insane video with loud noise.. Perhaps when the DI couldn’t control the climate, they tried to control people…by unethical methods such as brainwashing…similarly, why would the DI need a station for nerve/toxic gas (I am referring to the place Faraday and Charlotte went to deactivate the gas)? Hmm, not clear on this point.

If my theory were to be plausible, Jacob and MiB have to have a big role, because they are cognizant of the time loops. Here is my big picture…. What if MiB resets time? What if that is his job? What if MiB’s sole purpose is to sit on his ass all day, wait until DI/Losties/Others/people/etc. fail at changing the equation and saving the world and then RESET the time loop?

And what if all Jacob does all day is find people to come to the island and manipulate them into successfully changing the equation so that one day MiB doesn’t reset the time loop and the world survives peacefully? If you think about it..their conversation on the beach makes sense now. MiB said “Still trying to prove me wrong?” Perhaps he said this because MiB, after resetting the loop several times, believes that people will always fail and Jacob is always trying to prove him wrong by bringing different groups to the island.

What if keeping MiB ON the island keeps him DOING his job…if MiB leaves..who the hell is going to RESET time?!?! And if the Losties don’t change the equation successfully and MiB isn’t there to reset time, then guess what happens to the world? POOF!!! The world ends.

I suspect MiB is sick of being on the island and witnessing the same failures over and over and wants to get off the island. But if he does, the world will end for sure – UNLESS, the Losties can change the “core factors” of the Valenzetti Equation before the end of the time loop comes this time!!

Well, I was going to end it there but here’s a little more speculation.

We know that Ben knew about the donkey wheel…who else did? Did all the Others know? Did the DI know? Did the DI harness the power of the donkey wheel to run the time machine? Or did the DI create the donkey wheel to harness the natural power of the island? Was it coincidence the time traveling station (Orchid) was located closest to the donkey wheel? Let’s say both the DI and the Others knew about it. We saw what misuse of the donkey wheel can do – cause the island to erratically move in both time and space. If the island ever ended up in ancient Egyptian times like it did in the 70s, then that gave it plenty of time for Egyptians to wash up there and set up temples, the Tawaret statue, etc. Maybe it’s been inhabited many times over – even more than we think. We know about the Black Rock, Rousseau’s team, Eko’s brother’s plane, Desmond, the DI and the Losties and Others…perhaps many more groups have come and gone… But from one play of the time loop to the next, we know a few things stay constant. And that is Jacob, MiB, and Richard.

What if MiB was indeed a man, but when “assigned” his job of resetting time, received powers (i.e. smoke/transformation) that turned him into something timeless? What if Jacob chose Richard to exist throughout all the replays of time (to help the different groups), hence why Richard’s life span is so long? Perhaps touching people allows them to remain somewhat aware/affected of a previous time loop? All the Losties in the FSW would then still be interconnected despite the island sinking then. They would still be affected by Jacob’s touch despite having no memory of what the previous time loop held. Thus, we see Jack’s certain expressions in the FSW as if he thought the plane was supposed to crash before it lands safely at LAX.

Maybe the FSW is showing what happens if the Losties succeed in changing the Valenzetti equation. MiB and Jacob will no longer be needed, and either will the island. So, maybe, just maybe….that’s why it’s at the bottom of the ocean.. =)

I would love to hear your thoughts!

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Remember in the off-island Dharma station where Eloise Hawking takes Jack, Sun, Ben and Desmond to show them how the DI can predict where the island will be? Well, Desmond delivered Daniel Faraday’s message to his mother, and when she told him that the island wasn’t done with him yet, he stormed off saying, “Well, I’m done with the island!”

Somehow, I believe Eloise…Desmond can’t have a normal life just yet… So far, however, we haven’t seen Desmond get back to the island or do anything island-ish… Anybody have ideas on how Desmond might have his story woven back into the picture? Perhaps involving Penny? I know some people think he’s locked in the room on Widmore’s submarine. What could he be up to off-island?

Discuss =)

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ok, i’m just speculating here, but i just thought i’d throw it out there.
I’ve always thought Dharma/Hanso would come back into play. I think we will be seeing Widmore again this season, is it possible that they’re all working together off island for the greater good?

Hawking helped the Oceanic 6 get back to the island by using that ‘abandoned’ Dharma station, why would they just abandon such an important place? I propose they didn’t, i say Hawking was working with Dharma to get the losties back. Dharmas gotta still be in action, we know the people they had on the island got wiped out, but their headquarters was off island in Ann Arbour.

We know theres a connection between Widmore and Hawking already. Now, Widmores corporation was the very same one that organized the boat race which Desmond took part in, he ended up on the island because of this.
The widmore labs logo appears on the side of the balloon that landed on the island flown by the real Henry Gale.
Widmores company also work in construction.
More importantly, Widmore pregnancy tests have appeared on the island, along with Dharma brand products. Coincidence? I think not.
With their shared interests in the island and whatever grave danger it is they’re all trying to prevent, is it not possible that their all working together off island? Who better to help the Hanso corporation/Dharma than two former natives, one being a former leader?

Maybe we’ll see them all return to it this season!

This to me seems like another thing thats been staring me right in the face, and somehow i didn’t see it.
Let me know what you think.

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This past week alot of things in Losts story are becoming clearer to me and pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I could be wrong, but thats why they’re theories right?

Anyway, this stems from another theory of mine on the purpose of the flash sideways, anyone who wants to read that, go here…

The REAL purpose of the flash sideways.

To me its never made sense that what happened in the incident would cause the creation of an alternate timeline where the island had sunk, i think thats what the writers wanted us to think, and have been dropping misleading hints, but i wasn’t buying it. Then i realised, wouldn’t it make ALOT more sense that the OPPOSITE was true? Bare with me here…

Juliette detonating that bomb SAVED the island from sinking! the alternate timeline is a reality where the losties never came to the island, and in turn never went back to 1977, interrupted the drilling and let off Jughead, and THIS is why the island in that timeline is underwater. How would the island sink from the explosion, if in this alt scenario the losties have never been there to detonate it? That would be way to confusing to try and explain, and is a paradox.

I propose that in the ALT, Dharma proceeded to drill into the pocket of ‘energy’ without Jack and co’s interference, releasing some of the islands ‘magical magicness’ as i like to call it, and its this that caused the island to ‘sink’. In the timeline we’ve previously been seeing, the explosion of the bomb neutralized this energy, and prevented the island from sinking. With the powerful energy neutralized, Dharma built the hatch over it, and its use was to keep the energy at bay by pressing that button every 108 minutes, one day Desmond forgot to press the button and Oceanic 815 crashed etc etc. Whatever happened, happened right?

Think back to what happened in the incident, It was pretty clear that if Dharma had continued what they were doing that day, the outcome would’ve been terrible. Thankfully, the losties did the exact opposite of what they were trying to and saved the island, but instead of stopping the hatch being built, they helped make it possible.

I believe its likely that both timelines have always existed, OR more likely the alternate timeline we’re seeing now is actually the ORIGINAL timeline before the one we’ve been seeing seasons 1-5 and isn’t running alongside it. I remember the producers said in a podcast that they wouldn’t use the term ‘parallel’ timeline to describe it, but they freely use the term ‘alternate’ timeline, this to me seems like a little hint.

I think this all makes alot of sense, and clears up some of the stuff i had previously found a little confusing. Its also not to convoluted to understand, and you don’t need to bring up Quantum Physics to explain it. I don’t know if this has been discussed before, but for me it was a lightbulb over the head moment. The alt is a reality where all the potentially world saving actions the losties have taken never occured, so the apocalyptic event everyone is trying to prevent will happen there, and we will see it (Maybe its this ‘event’ that hurls the universe back in time again). Its gonna be HELLA COOL! Let me know your thoughts.

On another note, i think we’re going to find out that Dharma/Hanso have been behind this whole time and space changing experiment to save the world and possibly the universe, as i have done for a while, but thats for another theory as its just speculation.

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so i was watching a couple lost related videos and watched the full brainwash video played in ‘room 23’ again.

A couple things stuck out to me that i hadn’t really thought about before. I was wondering when people thought this video would have been produced as the footage doesn’t have that ‘vintage’ vibe that the other Dharma videos had. I might be reading to much into it, maybe the writers/producers hadn’t really thought about this and just wanted a video with random images and extreme sound.
What i found odd was the music in the background was jungle style dance music which wasn’t around until the mid 90s, and the purge happened in the late 80s to very early 90s, so when did Dharma create this video?

Also, something i hadn’t really thought about until today, the video is a Dharma video, starts with a Dharma logo and contains images of the Degroots and Alvar Hanso and also contains the message ‘god loves you as he loved Jacob’ which is definitive proof of a link between Dharma and Jacob, or at least proves Dharmas knowledge of Jacob.

Any thoughts? with this in mind, any idea what room 23 and that video were being used for?

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Since the beginning of the show the writers have stated that most of the mysteries will have a scientific explanation (I don’t have a direct quote though) but as the show progresses, especially season 5s crazy finale, this statement to me seems almost impossible to hold up.
I have been thinking though, there could still be a way to have spiritual/paranormal/fantasy elements and still have an overall scientific explanation for the madness.
What has got me so into the show, is how outlandish some of it is, yet is still somewhat believable and could be applicable in the real world (maybe i’m nuts), rather than being science fiction, the writers seem to pay alot of attention to actual scientific theories.

First, i just want to say, i don’t fully believe this, and i’m sure its an idea thats probably been brought up before but i don’t think it has been ‘debunked’ by the producers as far as i know. Early on in the second series, we were slowly introduced to a mysterious and somewhat shady multi purpose social science research organization who once inhabited the island called ‘the Dharma initiative’.
Their experiments were funded by ‘the Hanso foundation’, which was formed by Alvar Hanso, a former arms purveyor who turned his attention from “keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems” to focus instead on the development of new technologies to “create a brighter future for all humanity”.
The Dharma initiative were a collection of visionary free thinkers who pursued research meteorology, psychology, parasychology, zoology and electromagnetism, who chose the island for its unique properties.

I believe Desmond has been set up as a key character in the next season, as has been stated in the show the rules do not apply to him. The Dharma intiative placed him in the hatch supposedly to input a chain of numbers every 108 minutes for some important reason that was never revealed. I think that the plan all along was for Desmond not to press the button on the day that 815 crashed, and later be bestowed with the mind flashing abilities he now has, but whos plan?

One of the big factors of the show as we approach the bitter end, has been time travel. I have often heard when time travel is discussed (not on the show) that if time travel were possible we’d already know, because it would have already happened. Confusing i know, but it makes sense that if time travel does become possible in the future, then we would have already experienced someone time travelling to the past or present etc.
The writers have been very careful to avoid paradoxes (although i think there are some occuring, which i think will be important in season 6).

I’ll cut to the chase now, i believe theres a possibility that above all the supernatural goings on the island, time travelling, Jacob MIB, the smoke monster, dead people appearing etc.
A reformed Dharma initiative (or Hanso foundation) of the future have finally figured out a way to combine various elements from the fringe sciences they have studied and everything they know about this special island and its inhabitants to achieve their plan to better humanity or possibly even save it from destruction. They know about the others, they know about Jacob and MIBs game and 815s crash and orchestrated this huge social experiment in the past (or our present) without directly influencing it themselves.
I believe this could also explain the ‘whatever happened, happened’ rule, and how certain people know what is going to happen, and what is supposed to or not supposed to happen without there being a ‘timeloop’. This could be a decent way to explain everything in the show with an overtone of scientific theory, and still include all sorts of paranormal and supernatural elements, and is still simple enough for the casual viewer to understand.

I don’t really have any evidence to back this up, its just a hunch i have sometimes when watching the show, and the fact that the Dharma initiative/Hanso Foundation seemed like such a big, expensive and important group, i don’t think ‘the purge’ would prevent them from rebuilding and continuing their crucial and possibly world changing activities.

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A reoccurring plot element has been ‘experiments’.

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Interesting info on the meaning of “Dharma” and the Wheel….

Buddha’s teachings, which are known as ‘Dharma’, are likened to a wheel that moves from country to country in accordance with changing conditions and people’s karmic inclinations. The external forms of presenting Buddhism may change as it meets with different cultures and societies, but its essential authenticity is ensured through the continuation of an unbroken lineage of realized practitioners. Buddha’s teachings are said to be like a precious wheel because, wherever they spread, the people in that area have the opportunity to control their minds by putting them into practice.

http://aboutdharma.org/dharma-wheel.php/

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If you look in this screencap, you can see a blonde man and a woman that looks like KAte outside of the school building.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-225.html

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I have always loved acronyms, although this one may need some work.

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Read here: Are you there Future? It’s me, Swan! by Matt

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Is it possible that

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