I see lots of people pissed about the finale. I get why they are mad. Yet I do not agree. The ending was not what I expected, yet I think that makes me like it more. The one key point I want to make here is that I feel they actually did answer pretty much everything but one key thing.

“The Source” or “The Island” or “God” or “Exotic Material”

Basically I think they left that one thing vague because it is the answer to all the remaining questions the show left us with. Which in alot of ways is what the idea of “faith and gods” or “fringe science” is all about. I think they did a genius thing because they actually made a complete show that can be appreciated from both the scientific point of view and the religious point of view.

Not too many things bridge that gap!

For all the people out there saying they didnt answer enough. I think you are wrong. Everything was pretty much uncovered but what that damned light is. Maybe, you are not supposed to know. It is beyond your comprehension. In the context of the show anyways.

To give something infinite and unknown a value or name or reason kinda defeats the purpose.

That is why I like the ending. Great character moments, a little indiana jones moment one level closer to the Source and the rest is left to the imagination.

Lost cannot tell you what the source is. Nothing can.

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Hopefully this will be the last question I’ll ever post!

Ok, so we know that Jacobs ‘mother’ passed the job of protecting the light on to Jacob.

However, after less than, what i can assume, 10 minutes, Jacob manages to make the light go out.. And out comes Smokie.

So what is Jacob meant to be protecting.. And what will his chosen candidate have to protect? I was under the impression it was the glowing light but clearly that was put out a long time ago..?

If it’s to keep Adam (yes im calling MIB that now) on the island then why? How will everything cease to exist if he gets off? Because to me, it just seemed as though he wanted to leave to see what else is out there..

So to sum up, HOW is Jacob protecting the island?

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So, now we have an idea of how the two brothers (Jacob and MIB) came to the island. Here are some issues I have after watching this episode:

1. The woman seems to not want people on the island, how do they crash there? I thought it was that Jacob brings people to the island, but clearly he didn’t have the ability to do that before he was born. And since the woman(the guardian of the island at that time) has no reason to want them on the island, how did they get there?

2. Jacob takes on responsibility for the island from his mom, but now he seems to want the opposite of what she did. He wants to prove MIB and his mom wrong, that people ARE good. And MIB is just bitter at this point and despises humanity. And since Jacob turned him into a total freakazoid, he needs to protect the world from him now by keeping him there. It seems odd that Jacob’s goals differ so greatly from his mom, although he took the responsibility to protect the island, he seems to have a different idea of how to do that.

Finally, I’m just sort of disappointed in general, I don’t feel like we have had much of anything explained more than we knew LAST season finalie and here we are at the end. I have a bad feeling that so much is going to be unexplained, or only vaguely explained, like what the island is, what this bright light is, etc.

Only time will tell I guess. Lost is still the best show on tv, even if the ending will leave me wanting more.

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Ok so imagine the earth has a hole in it leading to hell, and hell is leaking out and causing all kinds of problems.  This could have been existing since the beginning of the universe, or it could have been created by a band of spirits/demons etc trying to take over the Heavens.

So back to the significance of the island sinking.  Why would it sink, rather than move time or something else.  Imagine a cork going into a wine bottle.  What’s stronger…..pushed in slightly, or hammered in down as far as possible?  I think the dark forces have been trying to breach the cork for a long time.  The always ending the same so far has been Jacob and MIB waging war and the cork always ends up somewhere in the middle….not safe, but not totally dangerous yet either.  I think what we’re about to see is the ‘endgame’ move by both team Jacob and team MIB.  Based on the flash sideways, I think that at some point team Jacob will prevail.  Maybe thats what happens when a new Protector is crowned….he or she gives up her past and unites with the island, giving them a great amount of power because of the altruism involved there.  So by performing the ultimate act of selflessness in order to ‘save the world’ someone…most likely Jack, will somehow bond with the island and gain powers similar to Jacob.  I like to think of this like a all white happy friendly version of smoke monster.  And by doing so, Jacob wins the ‘game’ because he successfully proved that humans are capable of change and are capable of sacrifice for the greater good of humanity or planet or something.  I believe the game is settled by proving something about the nature of humanity and it’s eventual course.  Jacob obviously believes in the core good in people, while MIB is 100% sure that humans selfish nature will eventually end the species, and instead of just waiting around a few billion years to see it happen, he wants to just get it over with quickly and get the game over with once and for all.

Also, what do you think about curing a ‘claim’ on someone by convincing them (honestly) to change teams.  If a claimed host body was able to reject an evil influence and did so, what would happen then?  The body fall over dead and thats the end?  Or is it more like the claim takes ‘control’ by force when a person is gravely wounded, but with the proof that the old ‘soul’ is still inside somewhere (Flocke’s quote from the real Locke), perhaps a person can find a way to repeal the force and eject it, and you end up back as original.  This is how I think Locke will end up alive at the end.

Also, whats up with Desmond’s goofy trance state.  I kinda thought he was on scopolamine or something.  Is he being influenced by MIB ‘s crew somehow?  It seems like he is accepting a deal where he gets his girl….or I might be way off.

Lets hear it!  Be gentle this is first post.

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The Island itself is a referee. It is sentient in some way, and playing out a game.

It could also be possible it is a machine carrying out it’s programming, or a consciousness sealed inside the exotic material. It’s really too early to tell. The point I am making here is that the island is actually in control of everything. Jacob and MIB are cogs in the wheel. Not the real powers at all. I think it’s very likely that the island exists in superposition. It is a nexus for all realities. From the island one can see all potentials. This thought was solidified for me when we saw the lighthouse. Perhaps the lighthouse was looking at many realities? Not just one?

The Island has these “special” properties which have been referred to as “exotic material”, and “electromagnetic pockets of energy”. This energy/material could be many things. I’ve always thought it was from a meteor that crahes/crashed on the island then was found by man and manipulated. It could also be the island is from the future where technology has advanced far enough that even we the viewers perceive it as godly and supernatural. Then the island goes back in time and encounters several time periods. All the while collecting the many ruins/artifacts in praise as some god or heaven/hell. Who knows.

Regardless, somehow these properties are being manipulated by someone to try and avoid a cataclysmic event that has yet to happen in the show. Proof of this I believe is in Jacob’s line:

“It only ends once, everything leading up to that is just progress”

He obviously knows something is going to happen, and is working towards fixing it. Somehow fixing it involves proving to MIB that humans are worthy. This brings me to Jacob/MIB and their realtionship.

I do not think either is good or evil. I believe they are of opposing perspectives. Jacob has hope and faith. MIB is hopeless and faithless. The one key thing that people seem to have forgotten about MIB is that he has pretty clearly been shown as a judge/jury/executioner. I do not believe that everything MIB has done on the show is evil. If he is just evil incarnate why would be scanning peoples memories?

My guess is that he is just as important as Jacob on the Island. Jacobs role is to bring people to the island and show the judge that they are worth saving. MIB’s job is to judge and execute those that aren’t worthy. If however, MIB is fed up and no longer believes it is possible to save humanity. His leaving the island could mean he judges everyone at that instant, and executes them all.

Could this be the cataclysm Jacob is trying to prevent? It seems more and more likely to me.

Now, how would MIB destroy everyone? How was he once a man, yet now smoke and without a body? I don’t buy into this show being about gods or deities at all. If MIB came in contact with the island as man and we have no idea what the island is. Is it not possible that the island made him what he now is? Exotic material can probably do exotic things to a man!

It seems to me that MIB is linked to the energies under the island. He also travels under the island, rips trees down, and makes machine sounds. So could it not be that MIB was made into this form by the islands intelligence. To serve it as judge? Just as it makes Jacob serve it? I am thinking that MIB might create a paradox if he leaves. He is not actually going to fly around the world and destroy everything. He is literally not able to leave the island without destroying everything. I think when Whitmore says to Jin “Everyone will cease to exist” it kind of reveals this. He will cause the undoing of reality should he leave the island.

Perhaps being made the judge dislodges you from all realities and you exist in superposition like the island? So returning to a normal reality would rip everything apart. MIB doesn’t belong anywhere, but on the island.

One final thought I have to wedge in here is about what Eloise said to Desmond. She tells him that what he is doing is a “violation” in the LAX world. That sounds like she is talking about some unknown rules. We have heard of these rules time and time again. Where do they come from? Jacob must abide by them, as must MIB. So what does that leave? The Island!!!

I can’t shake this feeling that The Island is in control of everything. Almost like The Island is running a program to stop things from ending.

It’s freaking alive or something!

My buddy calls it the Ref. I like that name for now.

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I cant shake this question, where is MIBS home? Perhaps, their is no home. Perhaps, thats a con to coax more followers or to infect more. The people from the temple for example, their leader is dead, so why stay on the island. MIB claims there is plenty of room on the plane for everybody. Of course, Claire and Kate want to go home for Aaron. Sawyer, wanted to go home from the begining but had to jump off the helocopter, so that the rest of the survivers could make it off, mainly Kate IMO.

Bottom line, what I am trying to say is that MIB may not actually have a home. Instead he wants off the island simply just to infect the world. Perhaps, he has been bound to the island for many, many years, preventing him from spreading this infection.

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I am under the impression that the writers are trying to mislead us in regards to the root of this show. I do not think that anything happening is supernatural in nature. I think the show is going to be firmly rooted in scientific theories. Which can seem to be supernatural.

So based on that I have been really focussed on all this talk about the MIB and him being evil. I do not think he is an evil entity. I think he might be a human that has been put in a situation that has caused him to become evil. But it’s all a matter of perspective I think. Here are the statements about him and the situation that have been spoken.

-He is evil
-He will infect
-If he leaves the island everyone will go to hell
-If he leave the island every living person on the island will die
-If he leaves the island everyone (this time meaning on and off island) will cease to exist

The last one being from last nights episode. Spoken be Charles. So in my opinion when someone says someone will “cease to exist” they are not talking about death in the regular sense.

After last nights episode I was happy to see Desmond’s return. Then I was thinking about what they took Jin for. They wanted him to help make sense of the location of the pockets of energy. Somehow they are related to MIB getting off island. Desmond has had the most intimate contact with this energy when he turned the failsafe key in the hatch. Something happened to him there that made him an anomaly. No longer bound by the rules.

So here is what I have got so far. It’s crazy, but I’m sticking to my guns on this. Till the writers totally prove me wrong…

MIB is just like the rabbit from The Orchid orientation video. In the video Marvin is explaining the station is not a botanical research station. He is holding a rabbit with a “15” written on it’s side. Then something happens, he freaks out, and behind him is another “15” rabbit on a shelf. It seems to blink into existence. He yells at some co-workers to get it away from the one he is holding. I believe this shows us that two of the same entity can not exist in the same space, at the same time. Which is a common theory in sci-fi.

Then think about the Lighthouse and the mirrors. It could be that the names written around compass represent realities, and the specific person in that reality. So the island with it’s magnetic pockets of exotic material is perhaps a focal point? A place in which all possibilites can be seen.

Now imagine that MIB somehow comes in contact with the Island long ago. The island being super special as it is. Caused him to become what he is… somehow. More importantly though, makes him an anomaly and unable to return to a regular state. Perhaps he exists outside of reality, unhinged in time, unable to exist in a specific timeline. If he were to return to a timeline not of his own, he would cause a chain reaction that would destroy that reality, or perhaps all realities.

Desmond is somehow part of this. Being similar to MIB in some way? Maybe he can stop his leaving?

I can’t put it all together yet. That is what I go so far though.

Let’s hear what you think folks!

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Written 25th March

Hi guys, first time posting on this forum. I’ve been watching Lost every time it airs ever since season 2. It’s a very interesting show and a total mystery. But I’d just like to share some of my thoughts and here’s what I got out of the latest episode (episode 9)…

Lost is a very confusing show. It’s slow, bits of pieces are all over the place and it’s hard to get a big picture of what the show is all about. Well I think after watching last night’s episode, we finally get an idea of this. All the actions that have happened in the show up until now have either been under the influence of Jacob or MiB.

Team MiB

For MiB his goal is simple, he just wants to get off the island so that he can be set free. To do this he has to:

1. Kill Jacob

2. Kill off all the remaining candidates.

1. His plan was to take over the body of John Locke and as the leader of “the others” he would be in a position to command and persuade someone to kill Jacob. Remember MiB can’t kill Jacob he needs someone else to do it and in his position he gets Ben Linus to.

2. To kill off the remaining candidates MiB’s plan was to separate the remaining candidates from the island by either them being trapped in the past (Sawyer and co) or have them off the island (Jack and co).

Up until that point MiB’s plan was a success and he probably would have been set free but to his surprise Jacob has been pulling some strings of his own. Just before MiB kicks Jacob into the fire, Jacob mutters in a tone “Their Coming”. His referring to the candidates and that they will be returning back to the island in the present.

Team Jacob

As the protector of the island Jacob probably foresaw his own death and knew that it was inevitable(kind of like Charlie’s death) so as a result he accepted the fact that he was going to die but prior to being stabbed in the heart by Ben. He was the one who influenced the events that led up to the hydrogen bomb being detonated. He was the one who wanted all the losties to board the Ajira flight to eventually return to the island.

So now back to the island and season 6, all the remaining candidates are back on the island. MiB’s primary objective now is to influence and kill them all and only then can be set free.

As for Jacob, I think you’ll find that eventually Jack would be the replacement for him. To become the new Jacob and the protector of the island there’s going to be a process which so far is unknown but I’m betting Richard knows something about this and we will find out in the remaining episodes to come.

This is my weird theory of the bigger picture of lost, I hope it doesn’t come true but we are getting so close to the end all the pieces are coming together, I can’t be help it lol.

Anyways here are some interesting facts if some of the stuff above does come true:

Kwan 42 is referring to Jin and not Sun.

When Miles does his necromancer thing and taps into Juliet’s last remaining thoughts, he recalls her saying “It worked” or something similar. She is referring to the candidates being transported back to the present.

Eloise Hawkin is a member of team Jacob and arranges agreements with Jacob to play a big role off the island.

Eloise Hawkin sent Daniel Faraday back in time because without him the candidates were not able to detonate the hydrogen bomb. [Bit of a floor here, got to think about it a bit more]

Sayid is a goner. But MiB keeps him on his side because his more useful alive then dead.

Some Questions left unanswered:

Was it Jacob or MiB who sent Jack and co back to the past (the flash on the plain)?

Is Christian MiB?

How was it that Sayid came back to life?

What is the purpose of the island constantly moving?

Why is it that MiB can kill some people but not others?

How does one become un-candidated?

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Written 22nd March

We have been focusing a lot on the other characters, and rightfully so, but it’s inevitable we’ll have a Sun (or Jin/Sun) episode soon enough. Because the Kwons are involved in the numbers, and the fact that Jacob touched both of them and Ilana has confirmed “she isn’t sure which one of [them] she’s supposed to protect”, we know they’re going to come up soon. (Sidebar: Just want to say I enjoy whoever made the theory that Jacob touching both of them means their daughter, Ji Yeon, who could only be conceived on the Island, is the actual candidate).

It could just be good TV to keep them apart (in different timelines and whatnot) but I really think that their separation is integral to the plot, and ultimately, the fate of the Island. Here are the points I want to address:


1. Jacob encouraged the two of them at their wedding when he touched them to cherish their time together. This “touch” could mean different things and has been debated in other threads (I’ve argued before that Jacob’s touch could actually be taking away and not a gift), but nonetheless what he tells them echoes to me what the psychic told Claire about raising Aaron, though obviously not exactly as fatalistic.

Why is this important? I think that, especially if it turns out that Jin/Sun are candidates together, their separation right now is very key to what’s going on on the Island, and there is another force at hand trying to keep them apart (MIB, I’d think). Remember Sun’s reaction when she realized she hadn’t been hanging out with the Real John Locke when they had landed? She was shocked because she had been following Flocke around and he had even told her he was going to do his best to reunite her with Jin and the other original Losties. Then he goes around and tells Ben he’s not interested in that at all. To me, it’s another major instance of MIB trying to keep them separated.


2. Paik Industries is very powerful, but we don’t know too much about the company via the show. What we do know is that Sun’s father was probably as powerful as Widmore in this way (his Korean foil if you will), but we don’t see any ties to the Island thus far apart from his daughter. Remember that, at least in the regular timeline, Sun is now an important figure in relation to Paik Industries– she bought a big enough share of the company with her Oceanic settlement, so now she’s a power player herself. From her flashbacks, we can see that at a young age she was always struggling to gain the upper hand from her father and that she also will do what it takes to save her and hers. (Even though she was only a kid, the writers chose to show an instance in her life where she lies to save herself, even at the expense of others. I don’t think this was shown purely to show how her dad controlled things… I think it’s a signal to a major character trait.)

We know that Sun would do anything to reunite with Jin, even if it meant compromising the other Oceanic 6-ers.


3. Sun went to see Widmore in the UK, and he expressed he was annoyed she approached him “in front of his associates” but didn’t exactly seem surprised to see her either.

In this scene where she approaches Widmore, she says they have mutual interests… that is, they are both interested in killing Ben Linus. Later on, when she’s taking care of Aaron for Kate in L.A., she opens up an envelope with surveillance photos of Ben and Jack, and a gun. We all kind of assume that her main reason for having these photos is to kill Ben. However, she wouldn’t have had to contact Widmore for resources to monitor and kill Ben– she has plenty of those, she’s rich. So what kind of deal has Sun struck with Widmore? Why did she really need to contact him? It may have been to bring Widmore back to the Island– since now we saw he eventually got through and found the Island.

I think, before she knew it, she agreed to lead Widmore to the Lamp Post. Widmore must’ve known that Eloise was trying to send them back. She may have given up Eloise Hawking (which we all kind of assume Widmore knew about being a former leader of The Others, but if you’re reading this and can tell me the exact scene I’ll rethink this part). If not this, there had to be another piece of the negotiation we’re not shown.


4. When the Oceanic 6 meet at the dock, Ben tells Sun that Jin is alive– probably moreso to save his own arse, but also to get her to trust him. Jin had given the Real John Locke his ring, hoping that Sun would believe he was dead so she wouldn’t try to come back to the Island. Ben had taken it from Locke– he probably foresaw this would be a good way to gain her trust to bring her back to the Lamp Post, and uses it for the opposite reason. He shows it to her and lies to her saying that Locke had given it to him.


5. We haven’t been told why Sun wasn’t transported to 1977 with Jack, Sayid, Hurley, and Kate on Ajira? Some speculate it’s because she isn’t #42, so she wasn’t meant to return to the main Island and that’s why she wasn’t transported to 1977. Could it be because she has been compromised because of her deal? If so, and she is a candidate, it probably removes her from being a candidate… if not, then she probably isn’t a candidate anyway.


As you can see, I avoided a lot of polarizing here– I don’t want to hastily categorize any one figure involved here as “good” or “bad”, because no side (whether there are 2 or 3 in opposition) has yet to fully reveal their motivations for their actions.

I’m fully aware my memory has a lot of holes, and so this theory probably does too. If I had time I would rewatch those episodes of her dealing with Widmore and Ben, along with the way she operates when they return on Ajira. Now that Widmore is back on the island, I’m really interested in seeing how it all pans out and what the connections to Sun are.

Wouldn’t the writers think it would be a great twist to see that Sun as a Judas/Brutus figure on this show, considering how she is generally portrayed in a good light?


March 27 Edit: I added headers to make it easier to read since it’s so long!

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I’ve seen a lot of people doubting the elements of the show that at least are supposed to appear “obvious” lately. Well, I believe that the writers are done messing with our heads. I think that, in season six, everything is what is appears. Jacob is good, MIB is evil, the Island is the cork, the alt. timeline is just an alt. timeline (I’m less sure on that, though), MIB is the Smoke Monster, and Charles Widmore is against MIB. Isn’t it possible that they’re done confusing us?

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This is my big theory. It will contain everything I believe about LOST so far. Based on last night’s episode, I think this will be good.

Background Information
The Island – The Island itself is an amazing place. It holds down an immense store of evil, preventing it from unleasing Hell on earth and destroying the good in everyone. This evil is burried under the Island, and is held back by two massive stores of energy. The Island moves and hides to prevent anyone from unleashing the evil upon an unsuspecting world.
The Protector – The Protector of the Island has one job: make sure the evil stays on the Island. To do this, he has special powers, such as natural immortality (I use this term to distinguish it from absolute immortality. Natural immortality prevents a natural death, while absolute immortality prevents both natural and man-caused death), healing, the ability to influence people’s thoughts, and the Touch are all I’m sure of.
The Touch – What is the Touch? The Touch is the ability of the Protector to gift others to aid in protecting the Island. This gift can come in different forms, depending on the person it is given to and the person giving it.
The Story of Jacob and Flocke
Jacob is the son of a previous Protector, but not the oldest. His older brother, Flocke, was to become the next Protector. (Alt. version: Jacob is the Protector’s nephew, and Flocke is the Protector’s son) His mother, however, distrusted Flocke. She thought that he shouldn’t become the next Protector, and set out to give that title to Jacob (either her younger son or nephew). She tricked Jacob and Flocke into going to play down by the Frozen Donkey Wheel (it was made ages before as a “faucet” for one of the energy pockets). Not knowing that is was connected to one of the energy pockets trapping the evil, Flocke turned it. This let out an enormous amount of energy, giving the Island its special properties, but also letting out the evil from beneath the Island.
This evil came out in the form of black smoke, and killed Flocke. With Flocke dead, his mother quickly pushed for Jacob to become the next Protector. The title was granted, and Jacob inherited his powers. Unfortunately, they soon found that Flocke had returned. The evil had revived Flocke’s body and taken it. The new, evil Flocke awoke to find that his “crazy” mother had helped set up his brother/cousin as the new Protector. This made him furious. He turned into the Smoke Monster and killed everyone but Jacob. Because Jacob was the Protector, Flocke was not allowed to kill him. In Flocke’s eyes, Jacob had something to do with the scheme his mother has devised, and thus he felt betrayed. The evil in him gave him a more important resolve, though, and that was to escape the Island and corrupt the world.
Jacob quickly discovered what had happened, and decided to hold Flocke on the Island. When he realized the plot made by Flocke’s mother, he was appalled. Unfortunately, he couldn’t give the title back to Flocke, him being evil. From that point on, Jacob and Flocke were locked in a strong disagreement. Flocke, being evil itself, felt that all man was inherently evil and would ultimately live a life of sin. I want to clarify here that the belief isn’t evil, and doesn’t make one evil. However, it is like the liar’s suspicion. If one lies a lot, he distrusts everyone. In the same way, if one is evil, he feels that others are also evil. Jacob believed that, even though man did wrong, he was ultimately capable of rising above and being good. This caused Jacob to begin bringing men to the Island so as to prove man’s goodness, possibly holding Flocke back and decreasing his power. Finally, we reach the season five finale scene. The Black Rock lands, and Flocke’s escape plan begins.
The First Candidate
When Richard comes to the Island, Flocke believes he has found a loophole. He attempts to manipulate Richard into killing Jacob, which fails. At this point, Jacob realizes that he can’t stop Flocke forever. He decided he needs to be ready in case he dies. By offering Richard the job and by Touching (not just touching, such as the fight, but the Touch after Richard’s request) him, he nominated Richard as the first candidate to replace him.
Flocke’s Plan
Later, Flocke’s form became too old. Having died, it wasn’t exactly in shape to live forever. Thus, he decided to find a new form. Having gained his body-cloning powers by being the Smoke Monster, he looked for a new body. He tried many, such as some from the Black Rock and eventually DHARMA, he was not satisfied. He wanted one he knew he could use to make his loophole. Finally, he saw Locke. Locke had just flashed when Flocke saw him. He began following, and took the form of a dead Other to watch. Eventually, he ssaw Locke’s conversation with Richard, telling him to see him once he’s born. Flocke decided that Locke was his target. So he begins scheming. Jacob also saw Locke, but took little interest.
The Losties
In 1974, Jacob found the time-travelling Losties in DHARMA. He realized at that moment that something was going on. He knew that the FDW would be pushed one day, and that the only person who could be behind such a thing would be Flocke. Pushing the FDW again would allow Flocke to grow to full strength, dispel some of the Island’s ability to protect itself, and ultimately allow the death of Jacob. Jacob left the Island and began Touching people, based on their situation. In ’77, he Touched some more people.
Before I go to 2004, let me speak on DHARMA. They found the Island by accident in a sub in the 1950s, and quickly discovered its unique properties. The two pockets of energy intrigued them, and they built the Orchid and Swan to study them. Early on, they turned the FDW, and discovered the Island’s time-travelling abilities. Unfortunately, this awakened the at-this-time inactive Flocke, and thus they had to construct the sonic fence. After the Incident, the other energy pocket was unleashed, allowing Flocke free reign on the Island until the button was created. The blockage of energy with the button prevented Flocke from ever becoming too powerful at one time.
In 2004, Desmond failed to push the button. This signalled Flocke that it was time for him to manipulate. Jacob knew his time was short when Desmond first arrived (he realized that Desmond was already important because of his relationship with Charles Whidmore), and thus used him to bring Ocean 815. He quickly began working to narrow down his replacement. As Jacob worked, Flocke found Christian’s coffin. He destroyed Christian’s body and began using his form to manipulate the Losties. After Desmond turned the fail-safe key, all of the energy restricting Flocke dissipated. With no more restrictions on his power, the only thing getting in the way for him was the rule (this rule was established in the Island’s beginning): he couldn’t kill Jacob. Using his newfound power, he eventually made Ben and Locke turn the FDW, which eventually gave Flocke his new body as Locke.
So, now, Jacob works from beyond the grave to quickly get himself replaced and stop Flocke from leaving the Island. If Flocke does leave the Island, the Island itself will fall into destruction and essentially become Hell itself, while the rest of the world becomes infected by the evil from Flocke.
Answers to Important Questions
Wharfrat77 asked some good questions for this theory, and here are the answers:
“Who was in charge of the others during the Purge? MIB or Jacob” – In this theory, the Purge was the work of Flocke. He’d already seen Locke and was plotting his loophole, but realized that he couldn’t do everything with DHARMA and without Ben. To achieve this, he made sure Ben “wound up” inspecting the Tempest, where he would come begin plotting to kill DHARMA and join the others.
“if MIB, How did he trick the others to follow him? When did they start following him?” – All he needed was Ben. By tricking Ben, he got Ben to trick the Others.
“Where is Jacob at the time?” – Jacob was off-island Touching candidates.
“Did he bring DHARMA to the island?” – Jacob brought DHARMA to the Island in hopes of using them to permanently secure Flocke, but instead, Flocke tricked them into turning the FDW.

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Remember in the off-island Dharma station where Eloise Hawking takes Jack, Sun, Ben and Desmond to show them how the DI can predict where the island will be? Well, Desmond delivered Daniel Faraday’s message to his mother, and when she told him that the island wasn’t done with him yet, he stormed off saying, “Well, I’m done with the island!”

Somehow, I believe Eloise…Desmond can’t have a normal life just yet… So far, however, we haven’t seen Desmond get back to the island or do anything island-ish… Anybody have ideas on how Desmond might have his story woven back into the picture? Perhaps involving Penny? I know some people think he’s locked in the room on Widmore’s submarine. What could he be up to off-island?

Discuss =)

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I’ve been hearing that the next episode is Richard based (i dont do any pre-episode research so i dont know) so if this is true then I’m hoping we learn more about The Black Rock and how it got into the ‘middle’ of the island.

So, incase we do learn it next week, i’m curious as to what all your thoughts and theories are about it? 🙂

And because there have been a lot of questions and theories posted since the season premier, i thought id add a bit of light hearted fun to this site 🙂

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My opinions on what the alt is have been changing recently, especially after the last episode.
I know this isn’t an original idea, but something about the last episode struck me.

In the flash sideways we saw Ben discussing the principals incompetency with Arzt, when Ben suddenly gets the idea to take the principals job. I say suddenly, he actually gets the idea from who else but old Locke who interrupts their convo, and says, “maybe its time for a change”.
As we saw later, Ben made the right choice which involved not overthrowing the principal, but i just thought it was odd that it was Locke who put the idea in his head.

I don’t know how exactly, but could it be possible that some of the character interactions we are seeing are not who/what we think they are? Could MIB be manipulating people in the outside world in the alt?
Some people mentioned Helens black nail polish in Lockes flash sideways, and i never really noticed, but maybe its a hint.
I’m starting to get a vague notion that the ‘alt’ has alot more to do with MIB than it appears, and may not not be all that real. I’m even getting the feeling that the flash sideways we are seeing are actually seperate from eachother, like a synthesized reality for each character, thats being controlled by MIB.
Like you, i also have no idea what i’m talking about, and i agree this doesn’t really make sense, but please don’t hit me. I just wanted to see what peoples opinions are now on MIBs involvement (if any), with the Alt timeline. I guess we’ll find out very soon, 9 episodes to go!

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This past week alot of things in Losts story are becoming clearer to me and pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I could be wrong, but thats why they’re theories right?

Anyway, this stems from another theory of mine on the purpose of the flash sideways, anyone who wants to read that, go here…

The REAL purpose of the flash sideways.

To me its never made sense that what happened in the incident would cause the creation of an alternate timeline where the island had sunk, i think thats what the writers wanted us to think, and have been dropping misleading hints, but i wasn’t buying it. Then i realised, wouldn’t it make ALOT more sense that the OPPOSITE was true? Bare with me here…

Juliette detonating that bomb SAVED the island from sinking! the alternate timeline is a reality where the losties never came to the island, and in turn never went back to 1977, interrupted the drilling and let off Jughead, and THIS is why the island in that timeline is underwater. How would the island sink from the explosion, if in this alt scenario the losties have never been there to detonate it? That would be way to confusing to try and explain, and is a paradox.

I propose that in the ALT, Dharma proceeded to drill into the pocket of ‘energy’ without Jack and co’s interference, releasing some of the islands ‘magical magicness’ as i like to call it, and its this that caused the island to ‘sink’. In the timeline we’ve previously been seeing, the explosion of the bomb neutralized this energy, and prevented the island from sinking. With the powerful energy neutralized, Dharma built the hatch over it, and its use was to keep the energy at bay by pressing that button every 108 minutes, one day Desmond forgot to press the button and Oceanic 815 crashed etc etc. Whatever happened, happened right?

Think back to what happened in the incident, It was pretty clear that if Dharma had continued what they were doing that day, the outcome would’ve been terrible. Thankfully, the losties did the exact opposite of what they were trying to and saved the island, but instead of stopping the hatch being built, they helped make it possible.

I believe its likely that both timelines have always existed, OR more likely the alternate timeline we’re seeing now is actually the ORIGINAL timeline before the one we’ve been seeing seasons 1-5 and isn’t running alongside it. I remember the producers said in a podcast that they wouldn’t use the term ‘parallel’ timeline to describe it, but they freely use the term ‘alternate’ timeline, this to me seems like a little hint.

I think this all makes alot of sense, and clears up some of the stuff i had previously found a little confusing. Its also not to convoluted to understand, and you don’t need to bring up Quantum Physics to explain it. I don’t know if this has been discussed before, but for me it was a lightbulb over the head moment. The alt is a reality where all the potentially world saving actions the losties have taken never occured, so the apocalyptic event everyone is trying to prevent will happen there, and we will see it (Maybe its this ‘event’ that hurls the universe back in time again). Its gonna be HELLA COOL! Let me know your thoughts.

On another note, i think we’re going to find out that Dharma/Hanso have been behind this whole time and space changing experiment to save the world and possibly the universe, as i have done for a while, but thats for another theory as its just speculation.

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Written 3rd February

Ok, here goes (starting from the current season):

When the H-bomb went off, it allowed for the pocket of energy to expand not only to the island, but to the entire world

what that did was split the world into 2 realities

in the island reality, they are all doomed. everything is proceeding as normal

in the other reality where their plane never crashes, there is no island because that reality was sent into the distant future where there is no jacob to control them and the island is burried underwater.

the whole point of the island is the fountain of youth

where they tried to heal sayid

the two protectors of the island: jacob and his friend were sent to the island to protect the fountain of youth from corrupting people

they were first sent to egyptian times

their main goal is to keep it safe and not let it fall into the wrong hands because it could mean the end of humanity

so the egyptians built a temple

over time jacob brought others to the island to keep it safe

but it always ended in tragedy

richard is one who drank from the fountain

that is why he never gets old

over time jacob’s friend got tired of living on the island attempting to protect the human race which he believed was beyond saving. eventually he just gave up and wanted to get off the island.

his way off the island is through locke

jacob, now, to protect the island has taken over the body of sayid

i think that it will end with everyone in the island reality dying, but at the same time showing us that the “real world” reality was saved through their death and the chain of events that started w/Oceanic 815 crashing on the island.

yeah, thats the theory

now, whether jacob and his friend are angels sent to protect the island or humans from the future who know of our destruction is another matter

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My theory is that the deposit of electromagnetic material at the swan station causes a repelling action with the bottom of the sea floor which makes the island buoyant.  Similar to the repelling action you get when you push two North ends of a magnet towards each other.  When the bomb detonated, it destroyed this deposit of magnetic material, severed the connection, and the island sank.  Since the bomb detonated at a fairly deep distance below the ground, very little damage was done to structures on the island’s surface.  Which is why the Dharma buildings, 4-toed statue, etc. still appeared to be intact. 

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Jack wakes up in some time perhaps with the Ajira’s or not, I think he might land in the jungle like in series 1 and see the Black Rock come so far inland because of WHAT THE LOSTIES DID right towards where the Swan Station will be built but will stop and rest how we’ve seen it before. And then he might recognise Richard possibly trapped and then save him and looks shocked because its the Black Rock and then walk out and see the statue. Possible….Just wondering what you guys think??

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This is a response to some questions on my theory on the Island and which island is it?
If you haven’t read the theory this will not make a whole lot of sense so I suggest starting at the beginning.


In the theory I suggest that the Others and the DI have taken on characteristics of the Greeks and Egyptians, mythology or dogma, and through those stories and myths point to the location of the Island or “what” island they are on.

So BanLinus asked “what’s next?” not where are we?, but where are we going?

So I wanted to give this some thought and give a proper response after I looked into it a bit more. So what I have come up with for you Ban on what’s next? is that we are going to find that the Island itself is going to be following along it’s own religious or mythological storyline. The writers/producers have said the Island is it’s own character in the show. So, why not have it follow it’s own mythos path.

There have been a lot of biblical references in the names of people of people on the show ie…
Jacob, Christian Shepherd, Benjamin Abbadon. Many of the stories of these names come into play with the storyline of Lost; Jacob and Esau, story of Job, serpent in the garden, Temptation vs Redemtion. Many have even suggested that they are in the Garden of Eden and that this is mankind test to get back in. Have we “Redeemed” ourselves? Are the Losties just the Gods (list) of players. Are they the ones that decide the fate of everyone? The impression we get from Hawking, Widmore, Abbadon is that if they don’t all return they keep saying God help us all.

So we would have each group represented by a different religious mythos and has a story about the island or place of paradise that you cannot return to. Many delving into creation myths of the different Dogmas.
Others- Egyptians
Dharma- Greeks
Island- Judaio-Christian?
Scientists- a 4th group which seem to be on the verge of scientifically explaining many of the phenomenon on the island, Faraday, Elloise, Charlotte, Miles even Widmore funding it all. Brings into play the whole- “man destroys God” theory where God is replaced by science. the phrase was used in the movie Jurassic Park, which I thought was brilliant writing.
God creates Man, Man destroys God, Man Plays God, God destroys Man.
This brings back the Science Vs. Faith question from Season 1 and 2, and also plays right into the
“duelality” light/dark, black/white, Thick or thin crust………
You realize with every answer they give us they ask another question.
We are coming to the close of such a great thing 🙁
They are not going to give us all the answers, they never have and they never will, they are going to leave it to us to put all the pieces together of this 6 year puzzle we have all been working on. They are finally going to show us what the picture on the box looks like, but it will be up to us to finally put the puzzle together.

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I noticed that most of the theories about time travel involve the “what”s of the events. Well, I feel like explaining the “how” of the time travel and the FDW. If you remember, when Locke watched the orientation film at the Orchid, Dr. Chang mentioned that the Island’s unique properties created a large Casmir effect, and hidden nearby was a vast quantity of exotic matter. In physics, the Casmir effect is a quantum mechanical phenomena that creates negative energy. Exotic matter is another name for negative matter, stuff that weighs less than zero. Now, most theoretical physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, believe that the laws of physics prohibit time travel in all regions except those that contain a large enough quantity of negative matter or energy. According to most time travel theories in mainstream physics, to travel through time you must have large quantities of both negative and positive matter or energy. We already know that the Island has a significant quantity of electromagnetic energy, not to mention the standard electromagnetic and gravitational energy that all matter possesses. However, the energies can’t cause time travel just by sitting there. They must be manipulated to make at least a part of space travel near or past the speed of light, depending on whether you want to go to the future or past. My idea is that the FDW is a kind of stirring device. It mechanically pushes a huge machine to stir up the exotic and normal matter in such a way to bend time around the Island. Tell me what you think!

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