Written 20th May
So who’s gonna be jack’s (AKA the new Jacob) wife?
I think it will be our favorite/sexy girl from the last season – Juliet.
Written 20th May
So who’s gonna be jack’s (AKA the new Jacob) wife?
I think it will be our favorite/sexy girl from the last season – Juliet.
I am doing yet another re-watch, and I just realized how much I miss her. She seemed like such an important key. It was like she knew so much and was always just on the verge of spilling her guts completely. But what bothers me the most is that when she was with the Losties when they were traveling through time and stopped in the 50’s and the others are speaking in Latin, and she tells them that it is Others 101, why does she call them others, she was on of Them, why do we not ever know what they call themselves (and please don’t quote Locke from season two (we all others to someone)?
Another thing Desmond knew a lot too and never really spilled the beans, he watch Inman make that map, when Sayid takes the boat from him at the end of season 2 and says he is headed to the north shore, he says, “oh, going to see the hostiles are you?” Maybe he just heard about them from Inman but why he believe him about that after he lied about the need for those injections and the quarrantine?
This past week alot of things in Losts story are becoming clearer to me and pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I could be wrong, but thats why they’re theories right?
Anyway, this stems from another theory of mine on the purpose of the flash sideways, anyone who wants to read that, go here…
To me its never made sense that what happened in the incident would cause the creation of an alternate timeline where the island had sunk, i think thats what the writers wanted us to think, and have been dropping misleading hints, but i wasn’t buying it. Then i realised, wouldn’t it make ALOT more sense that the OPPOSITE was true? Bare with me here…
Juliette detonating that bomb SAVED the island from sinking! the alternate timeline is a reality where the losties never came to the island, and in turn never went back to 1977, interrupted the drilling and let off Jughead, and THIS is why the island in that timeline is underwater. How would the island sink from the explosion, if in this alt scenario the losties have never been there to detonate it? That would be way to confusing to try and explain, and is a paradox.
I propose that in the ALT, Dharma proceeded to drill into the pocket of ‘energy’ without Jack and co’s interference, releasing some of the islands ‘magical magicness’ as i like to call it, and its this that caused the island to ‘sink’. In the timeline we’ve previously been seeing, the explosion of the bomb neutralized this energy, and prevented the island from sinking. With the powerful energy neutralized, Dharma built the hatch over it, and its use was to keep the energy at bay by pressing that button every 108 minutes, one day Desmond forgot to press the button and Oceanic 815 crashed etc etc. Whatever happened, happened right?
Think back to what happened in the incident, It was pretty clear that if Dharma had continued what they were doing that day, the outcome would’ve been terrible. Thankfully, the losties did the exact opposite of what they were trying to and saved the island, but instead of stopping the hatch being built, they helped make it possible.
I believe its likely that both timelines have always existed, OR more likely the alternate timeline we’re seeing now is actually the ORIGINAL timeline before the one we’ve been seeing seasons 1-5 and isn’t running alongside it. I remember the producers said in a podcast that they wouldn’t use the term ‘parallel’ timeline to describe it, but they freely use the term ‘alternate’ timeline, this to me seems like a little hint.
I think this all makes alot of sense, and clears up some of the stuff i had previously found a little confusing. Its also not to convoluted to understand, and you don’t need to bring up Quantum Physics to explain it. I don’t know if this has been discussed before, but for me it was a lightbulb over the head moment. The alt is a reality where all the potentially world saving actions the losties have taken never occured, so the apocalyptic event everyone is trying to prevent will happen there, and we will see it (Maybe its this ‘event’ that hurls the universe back in time again). Its gonna be HELLA COOL! Let me know your thoughts.
On another note, i think we’re going to find out that Dharma/Hanso have been behind this whole time and space changing experiment to save the world and possibly the universe, as i have done for a while, but thats for another theory as its just speculation.
Season 6 Stuff
Hmm so I was re-watching the season 6 double bill and noticed that Juliet seemed to go a little bit doolalee just before she died… she said something along the lines of “Maybe we can go get coffee… we’ll go dutch” but she said it in a way that reminded me a lot of Charlotte when she was time skipping/island moving around.
This brought me into thinking that maybe when Charlotte was having these unconscious moments (or whatever you wanna call ’em) that she may have actually been jumping to another timeline altogether, not just memories (before dying and maybe returning to her true timeline) – maybe that’s what happened to Juliet – because first of all she didn’t think it worked… then all of a sudden her last thought before she died was wanting to tell James that it did work.Â How would she know that without actually visiting her other timeline – maybe asking someone else to have coffee?
I just thought it was an interesting point but you guys will probably find faults through and through – so go ahead 😉
Another point was – man… they sure had some continuity issues in Juliet’s final scene of Season 5 – blood on her mouth – then no blood – then blood again… Can’t believe they let that go out!Â ;P
I’m pretty sure somebody came up with that idea. Two times it’s said that juliet looks like someone else. One time this refers to sarah, the second time to a woman ben was in love with…. so maybe he is the unknown man after jack, that sarah was with. It might also be that she is annie from the island…..
just got this question from a part of a theory on darkufo and all this talk on here of juliet being the variable and why jacob didnt touch her and i thought you guys would have a good time talking about it
all the ‘jacob touched’ losties were touched around scenarios that eventually lead them to the island
or in the case of hurley and sayid back to the island
juliet was the only flashbacker in the incident episodes that did not get touched by jacob
her flashback was the only one that did not involve a scenario that eventually lead her to the island
do you guys think that in season 6 we will see a flashback where juliet gets touched by mib?
my response to this is that mib on the beach seemed to not want to get involved with people but we do know that he was working on finding his loophole to kill jacob so he had motivation
This isn’t exactly a mind blowing theory but its something i’ve been wondering and hopefully you guys have some more input for me. Does Juliet have a bigger role than we realize for the overall future of the island? She is the one who set off the h-bomb but was that always her destiny? She was supposedly brought to the island to solve the infertility problems of the island however we’ve seen certain loopholes to this need. Claire was able to deliver Aaron which we are made to believe that it is because he was conceived off island and Sun and Jin were able to conceive but were told she needed to leave if she wanted her unborn child to live. So you are able to conceive on the island or deliver on the island but not conceive and deliver?
Perhaps the best example is the birth of Ethan. We know that he was conceived and delivered on the island in the 70s so what happened on the island from the 70s to the time that Juliet was asked to come and lend her expertise? Maybe Juliet is “special” too and it was her fate to detonate the bomb. What kind of reason would a fertility doctor have to go to the island if there wasn’t a problem with women bearing children? Perhaps the inhabitants of the island were not able to bear children on the island as a way to entice Juliet to the island.
Not sure how this plays into the big picture but thought it was odd that we’ve seen examples of conception and birth on the island yet Juliet’s purpose to go to the island and further her research was to figure out why there were fertility problems on the island. Especially when the island supposedly makes people better/healthier such as Locke’s legs and Ruth’s cancer. Let me know what you guys think.
I posted this a long time ago on the ABC boards – and thought I’d post it here to stir up some conversation…..
Johnny Gruelle created the Raggedy Anne and Andy dolls for his daughter, Marcella, who died at age 13 after being vaccinated at school for smallpox without her parents’ consent. Authorities blamed a heart defect, but her parents blamed the vaccination. Gruelle became an opponent of vaccination, and the Raggedy Ann doll was used as a symbol by the anti-vaccination movement.
Ben and Annie Andy and Ann
Maybe Ben and Annie’s relationship never developed beyond a brother/sister like friendship. Maybe Annie died from a vaccine related complication like Marcella. We still don’t know what exactly the island vaccine was for – or if there were multiple kinds of vaccine – and who got how much and when.
Is it too obvious that Ben and Annie were a romantic couple….they got pregnant, Annie died, he spared Rousseau and Alex (and Penny and Charlie) because of it…. and raised Alex to fill the void? I think that’s what probably happened – but it’s fun to think of different options….
Maybe Ben and Annie did have a child, a daughter, who was just fine, until she got the vaccine and died. Maybe Annie was so heartbroken she left the island without Ben who had obligations and couldn’t leave. It would be really interesting if Annie was re-introduced in season 6 as an adult.
I think it’s pretty clear that Juliet, who is blonde and blue-eyed, doesn’t look “just like” Annie, who is brunette and brown eyed, but instead looks like Ben’s mom as illustrated by the painting in Ben and Roger’s house in Dharmaville, which Harper could have seen. However – that makes Ben fondness for Juliet really creepy!
ANOTHER SIDE NOTE:
Going along with the non-romantic relationship idea …. maybe Adam and Eve fall into this category. Afterall, they weren’t laying together. That opens the door to a variety of male/female pairings.
Just re-thinking some things that might have already been solved…..
I know the whole point of the capture/con of Sawyer, Kate, and Jack – was so that Jack would do the surgery on Ben – but why?
What was the ultimate end result of that (Ben could have just left the island to have the surgery)?
Was there a “long con” that we didn’t/haven’t see/seen?
Was it more about the relationship between Juliet and the Losties than it was about the surgery?
That was really the only lasting effect of that whole situation, right?
So right after the season finale, I was NOT thinking that Juliet was dead. As far as I could see it, she has basically encountered the same phenomena that Desmond encountered after he turned the failsafe key and came out alive (albeit naked). At the very least I was thinking that her survival was up in the air. But it seems like everyone is taking it for granted that Juliet is dead!
Now this both saddens and confuses me, because I LOVED Juliet for one, and am dreading the new love triangle opportunities that her death opens up (is anyone else SICK of the love triangle bullshit by the way? I mean for the love of christ). But also, how does it make sense that this would kill her if Desmond survived? Is she for sure dead? Does anyone know? Or can I still hold out some hope?
Now that we’re through season five, any ideas on what Juliet’s mark was all about?
She was under investigation after Jack tipped Mr. Friendly that she wanted him dead. Killing Danny probably didn’t help either. I thought it was a great mystery at the time and was excited to see what it’s all about, but now I’m hoping it doesn;t go as an unsolved mystery at the end of the series.
Given that each new season of LOST introduces some new characters, I’m hoping season six is finally the year we get to learn of the Others. This story may explain the way Juliet was treated and hopefully Isabel’s (the women who came in to find out if Juliet really wanted to kill Ben) role in all of this.
Just wanted to know what everyone else thought and bring this up for discussion again.
Daniel’s death in 1977 got me thinking. I believe Daniel was born to Ellie prior to 1977, and he could have actually been raised early on, off-island (America perhaps) by someone else before Ellie leaves the island. I do not really buy that he was born from 1978 on, which would make him 26 when he got on the freighter in 2004. So that’s where I’m coming from on this…
So, lets say Daniel was born in 1975. From one perspective on ‘time’, if he had a gravestone, it could read 1975-1977. Right? Which would imply to the average person that he was 2 when he died. But we know that he wasn’t. If he was born in 1975, he was 29 when he boarded the freighter. Then he lived another three years from 1974-77, so his body, at time of death, was that of a 32 year old man.
As I thought about this, from a humorous standpoint, I recalled the CT scan that Richard showed Juliet from the S3 episode “Not in Portland” – Juliet says the scan of the uterus looks like a barren woman’s who is in her 70s. Yet Richard tells her it is that of a woman’s who was 26.
Countless theories are out there about fertility issues, role of children, if the Others can have children (and of all children to actually have, ugh, Ethan)…
Perhaps this is one more little nugget to consider and add into the mix of thoughts on the island mysteries.
And finally, since we haven’t talked about them in awhile and it relates to this ‘age’ thing…
If the Others are ‘indigenous’ to the island, and ultimately they live and stay on the island at all times, the implications are either they have ‘progressed’ normally when the island started flashing…so therefore, they have all now made it into 2007, where Ben, Sun, Locke all are. OR, what if just some of them flashed? Someone like Cindy, perhaps. We also know one particular Other who has ‘moved’ along the timeline at various points, good old Juliet. It gets me wondering again about what happens to the Others when the island has ‘skipped’ through time.
For fun, lets say that Juliet was 35 when the island started flashing. She now has spent three years in 1977, which makes her ‘body’ that of a 38 year old. And lets say that the island has some ‘flash’ that realigns the two timelines for the Losties…so some of the “Pasties” get to 2007. But lets say that Juliet doesn’t…and she keeps on aging, right up until 2004, again. She’ll have lived another 30 years, making her body that of a 68 year old woman, but she’d technically be 35 if you just counted it from birth year. The weird thing is that this seems opposite of what we’ve seen with Richard, making it even more interesting to think about.
Yes, I am playing on words with this title.
I don’t think that the scene with the Island-losties out on the outriggers in the middle of the night shooting at another group of unknown people behind them is a throwaway or filler scene. Sure, it is where Sawyer tells Juliet (after specifically not