I think he’s going to try and leave without Kate. They’ll get a chance to leave, and somehow Kate will be incapacitated, leaving James to choose between going back for her and moving on. He’ll choose the latter and leave Kate behind. He’s already stated that he’s not on anyone’s team, so he’s going to be about himself.

Added bonus: I think the sub will get destroyed soon after that, being the ironic twist about his shadiness.

 

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Written 17th March

Is it just me, or did they start focusing on “touch”, except in relation to Flocke/his group in Recon? Claire held Kate’s hand very carefully when Flocke was reassuring Zack/Emma that he was going to keep them safe. Kate looked a little confused by this (but then again, Evangeline Lilly always looks kind of confused and pouty haha). This is before the slap heard ’round the world…

Then they focus on Flocke touching Kate’s hand… and then the hug between Claire/Kate.

I could just be analyzing things too much, but just wanted to see if anyone noticed this as well? They did focus a long bit on the shot of Claire holding Kate’s hand… and we know Jacob’s touch means something… so this could be the flip side?

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“Have you ever had an enemy? Someone that you needed to hate? Very powerful, isn’t it? Claire was devastated without Aaron. She needed something to… something to keep her going. So, I gave her something to hate. And then… when you told her the truth… all those feelings, all that anger that she’d been holding on to for so long… it had to go somewhere.”

This was Flocke’s “explanation” to Kate about why Claire attacked her. Keep in mind he found her in a moment of distress, sitting alone in the trees…in other words, “At some point in your life, James (Kate), probably when you were young and miserable and vulnerable. He came to you, he manipulated you, pulled your strings like you were a puppet. And as a result, choices you thought were made, were never really choices at all. He was pushing you, James (Kate). Pushing you.. “ Sorry, couldn’t resist quoting him again.

Anyway, this conversation with Kate seemed as if Flocke wasn’t simply explaining Claire’s behavior. It was more like he was explaining Kate’s past behavior to Kate, as in her motivation for killing Wayne. And as we know, her running ultimately is what got her to the island.

I’m not proposing much here other than the idea that for as much as we have known to be Jacob’s ‘off-island’ influence and interactions with the candidates prior to their island time, I also think that we have one more reason to believe that MIB participated in shaping their ‘destinies’ as well. I don’t yet think it’s as black and white as the Sideways timeline is MIB-controlled and the 815-crash timeline is Jacob-controlled. I don’t think that the ‘candidates’ are limited to being Jacob’s candidates, either…I think Flocke might have said that as half-truth. After all, Flocke contradicted himself in explanations about the island needing a protector (or not) to Sawyer and Ben. To Sawyer, a candidate without a line through his name, the island is just an island that doesn’t need anything. To Ben, he said the island still needs a protector.

Flocke’s ‘power’ (or manipulation or influence, whatever you want to call it) is obviously bigger than simply an ‘infection’ that turns you into an apathetic killing-machine like Sayid. It is interesting how his offers of hope (Sayid’s lost love restored, Claire reunited with Aaron), safety/protection (the Others), power (Ben), freedom (Sawyer) are juxtaposed with the methods of bringing those things about: with fear, hate and death.

Sorry, rambling there…back to Kate. I found it interesting that we didn’t see Kate take Flocke’s hand after this little talk. Perhaps we are supposed to think that at this point she is like Ben from the week before…there is still an opportunity for her to choose which ‘side’ she will fall on. He is working on the recruiting, but there isn’t evidence of a commitment yet.

So Flocke was persistent with Kate. He followed up by telling her about his own mommy-issues. Yes, I think this was for us to see that we will soon be getting MIB’s backstory, and ultimately that it is correlated to Jacob’s, too.

LOCKE: I know what you’re feeling, Kate. I know what you’re going through.
KATE: And how do you know that?
LOCKE: Because… my mother was crazy. Long time ago, before I… looked like this… I had a mother, just like everyone. She was a very disturbed woman. And, as a result of that, I had some growing pains. Problems that I’m still trying to work my way through. Problems that could have been avoided had things been different.
KATE: Why are you telling me this?
LOCKE: Because now Aaron has a crazy mother too.

Here’s what I take from that:

1) We’re going to learn a bit of MIB’s family history and why he has some of the “problems” he’s still “working his way through.” (I love that totally ambiguous admission that he’s working through it in all his current scheming and interactions.)

2a) The half-sibling relationship with Christian-Jack-Claire (+Aaron) could be the foreshadowing of the relationship between MIB and Jacob.

2b) Remember discussions last year about how Kate and Jack’s little pre-316 overnighter could have produced a little Jack2 in Kate? Hmmm….interesting to think of what could become of Jack’s offspring and Claire’s offspring. Maybe it will go there, and maybe not.

3) I ultimately think MIB wants Kate to think that Aaron could become like him (“Evil Incarnate”/Smoke Monster) with ‘growing pains’ to work through (partially by taking over the appearance of a dead man). Will this deter Kate from trying to save Claire? (If Claire is somehow partially dead, is that even possible?) Or will Kate see this to be reason enough to leave Claire if the chance presents itself? Or will the person that Kate ultimately sacrifices herself for be Claire because somehow that will work to redeem/break the cycle in motion with crazy parents and messed up children? (Back in my “Kate’s Destiny” theory, I proposed that Kate might have to sacrifice herself to save Sawyer and/or Jack.)

The Sideways timeline is taking us back to Kate for a reason, because we already saw her influence Claire and Aaron staying together in that timeline early on this season (mirroring her goal on island). Now it goes to the bigger picture and whether or not her “running away” issues will be resolved…I never thought I would compare Kate with Ben, but it looks as if the Sideways choices she will face are going to be much like what happened in/with Dr. Linus. If Ben Linus can refuse Flocke’s offers (the first one so far!) then what will Kate do?

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This is a ridiculously fleeting thought I had during the Lighthouse ep, I’m sharing it here even though I’ve been told it’s crazy, JUST in case someone out there has the same thought… 😀

I think the Lighthouse ep was very important in terms of foreshadowing, though we didn’t get a huge pile of answers. I was paying attention to Hurley the most, not only because Jacob is in contact with him, but also because writers tend to give important lines to comic characters. But then I also noticed something Kate said that stood out.

The scene I’m thinking about is when Hugo is taking Jack to the Lighthouse and they run into Kate by the river. Kate immediately puts up her gun and Jack puts up his hands. She says something along the lines of, “Jack… I almost killed you”. And they both laugh it off. It’s kind of a throwaway line, but it’s the kind of thing that stuck with me. In a minor way, I saw it foreshadowed her joining the side opposite to Jack and possibly killing/hurting him. Now we see in Sundown that Kate is tagging along with MIB’s team, and presumably Jack is on Jacob’s team.

I try my best not to pay attention to stuff Lindelof/Cuse during any kind of hiatus because 1) obviously they’re careful not to reveal anything and 2) they tend to lie. 🙂 But someone sent me one of those articles where they were talking about the finale and Lindelof/Cuse said that Lost fans will be angry, things won’t end happily ever after for the Losties (though that was a given), and there will be “how could you do that” reactions. Plus, it’s been revealed that Matthew Fox is privy to the final image.

This could mean a lot of things, but I’ve thought for awhile one of our more beloved, long-standing Losties needs to be killed off, someone like Jack (yes Locke is “dead” but he’s still around per se, hehe). What more shocking way to kill off Jack than Kate killing him?

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So far from what we’ve seen in the flash sideways, everything seems to be going quite well for everyone (apart from Kate). Some have speculated that the flash sideways could actually be the ENDING of the show, after this war is over and the losties get to turn back time and change what happened and live happily ever after.
But i think the writers are lulling us into a false sense of security.
I think the writers are using a very clever plot device, which will confirm just how high the stakes really are.
The losties have constantly been told how important it is that they are on the island, and how important the island is itself.
The losties planned to use that bomb to change the past so they never came to the island, and i think this flash sideways is showing us a world where they didn’t, but its not as sweet as it seems.

I think in this flash sideways we’re going to see what would/would’ve happened if the islands magical magicness didn’t exist (whether its because of the bomb, or i suspect something else) and the losties never came to the island, and i think its going to end in catastrophe. Whatever the island is, i believe it is extremely important in ways we have yet to find out, and i suspect in a world where its power ceases to exist, and the events we have seen didn’t play out, something very very bad is going to happen. The very thing they are all there to prevent in the first place.

So, i think the sideways flash is a sort of ‘what if’ scenario for the viewers to see just how crucial the events of the past 5 seasons really are. We’ll get to see this all play out. Its a clever way to show us this disastrous event, without it actually happening to our losties.

This isn’t a theory, just my feelings on where the sideways flashes are heading.

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I’ve been thinking this for a long time, and sorry if someone already posted this, but I think Ben’s childhood friend on the island Annie is Kate.  Here are my reasons:

– Kate’s middle name is Anne, and she uses the name Annie as her first Alias in Australia.

– Ben and Annie had a firendship similar to the one Roger and Kate had, right before Roger found out about Kate.

– They both have freckles.

– Kate’s mom died of cancer and in the hospital she was bed ridden and her hair was falling out, this is similar to how Mile’s mom died.  Both Mile’s mom and Kate’s mom died around the same time, probably due to radiation and not having the healing protection of the island.

What does anyone else think?

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I’ve never researched something for this stinkin’ show as much as I did for this ridiculously long post. My sincere apologies on the length, but I just couldn’t cut out the transcripts.

In my opinion, Kate is one of the biggest remaining mysteries on the show. There HAS to be a connection between “What Kate Does” and why it preceded “The Substitute.” There is no way the writers would unintentionally order the episodes and clues within them, no matter what we viewers felt like after watching them. Kate’s name and number not appearing on the wall was an essential “missing” piece of “The Substitute” clues. A few logical options as to why:

1) Smocke/Nemesis didn’t show Sawyer as to manipulate Sawyer’s emotional response to the questions. Lets see… it would seem that “At some point in your life, James, probably when you were young and miserable and vulnerable. He came to you, he manipulated you, pulled your strings like you were a puppet. And as a result, choices you thought were made, were never really choices at all. He was pushing you, James. Pushing you…” So, perhaps “he” (Nemesis) simply thought he could keep Sawyer from thinking about Kate at that point and get Sawyer to follow him.

2) Kate’s never been a candidate despite the fact that we saw an interaction with her and Jacob when she was going to steal the lunch box that would eventually become her time capsule.

3) Kate has a different role in the sides and therefore is factored into a different part of Jacob’s equation. Kate is a variable in a totally new and significant way.

I’m going with option #3. (The manipulation by Smocke in #1 is evident no matter what.)

So the quick answer is that Kate is the variable and she will have some ultimate power to lead and nurture the actions of the remaining Losties (or “Candidates” now) and prove to be a reconciling force between the sides that are shaping up. Sawyer vs. Jack and possibly Jin vs. Sun at the very least. (After all, Claire is now the last one we see with Jin and she is ‘claimed’ for the other side, according to Dogen.) So if you want to be done reading now, go ahead and move on.

However, to me this quick answer doesn’t do justice to the mystery that she has been for five seasons. I went to the transcripts of all the Kate-centric shows for refreshers, and pulled a few scenes out that really struck me as important.

(From “What Kate Did”)

In the backseat of the cop car Mars says,
MARSHAL: It’s a long drive back to the arraignment, you comfy? [He laughs.] Why now?

KATE: What?

MARSHAL: Nice, corn fed farm girl like yourself — no history of violence, straight A’s, no record, couple of speeding tickets… I just got to wonder, why’d you kill him now? [Kate doesn’t respond.] Oh, right, yeah, don’t tell me. You wouldn’t want to incriminate yourself, not after you were so smart planning it. That jury back in Iowa sure ain’t going to get hung up on pre-meditation. And a gas leak, come on, it’s — it’s amateur hour from top to bottom.

KATE: Sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.

MARSHAL: I do have you all figured out.

KATE: You don’t know anything about me.

MARSHAL: White trash mom divorces dad, starts up with some guy who’s a drinker. Then he knocks her around a little bit, she marries him, because, you know, that’s what happens. And then this drunk, this Wayne, he moves into your house, and you get to lay there every night and listen to him doing your mom right there in your daddy’s old bedroom. And even that wouldn’t be so bad if he didn’t beat her up all the time. But she loves him. She defends him. If that don’t make a person want to kill somebody I don’t know what does. But the question is now, why now? Why after all these years did you just decide to blow poor Wayne up? He come knocking on your door late at night?

KATE: He never touched me.

[Suddenly there’s a black horse in the road and the car crashes into a pole. The Marshal is knocked out and Kate grabs the keys to the cuffs. He tries to stop her but she kicks him out of the car and starts driving off. She sees the horse standing there looking at her, and then drives off.]

She says, You don’t know a thing about me.

[So true.]

Which reminded me that she has a back-story that we haven’t seen yet. (Which also reminded me of Richard. Hmmm.)

Kate said that her dead love, Tom Brennan knows why she runs and we never really saw it.

YOUNG TOM BRENNAN: You always want to run away, Katie.
YOUNG KATE: Yeah, and you know why.

So apparently Kate had no criminal history prior to blowing up Wayne’s house and at a young age she already had an inclination to run away.

Which made me consider what would make a young child want to run?

Hold that thought while I explain where I come from next. On my last post about what we learned from What Kate Does, I made mention of some soul-type connection between the Sideways timeline characters. Which reminded me of the “Reincarnation” anagram that we saw last season on Ben’s “Canton-Rainier” van. I’m not familiar with how it works, beliefs, the history and therefore implicit clues that could be in this anagram, but I know that “Flash Forwards/aka Hoffs Drawler” was somewhat helpful in our understanding of storytelling devices of seasons past. My point: perhaps I should consider that reincarnation could have a little value to some overall understanding of what is going on.

So I did some limited reading (more like skimming) about reincarnation on good old Wikipedia (as I said, I know very little) and something caught my attention.

Apparently studies have been done on children who had claimed that they had memories of people who were dead as proof that these children were reincarnations of someone else. (Children have been just a bit important on this show…no?)

Which then made me think that perhaps Kate, as a child, had a vision of someone she once was, in another life. And as a kid, that would spook you and perhaps be the very thing that you share with your childhood best friend-turned-sweetheart. Perhaps it was a vision of her as a criminal or someone who had done something awful or was in an awful situation. Would that vision be enough to create this fear and innate need to run that would shape her life?

It has been evident that she is always running away from something, from being caught, and this has been a huge arc to her storyline. It has seemed like she is running away from herself, and maybe that’s exactly what we have seen and will see play out in more ways than one. She has been afraid of who she will become, or to put it another way, she has been afraid of a different version of herself. The poetic part of this season is that we are seeing “a different version of herself” in the non-crash Sideways timeline, but she still has evidence of being a “runner” in that timeline. So we are still missing a crucial part of the story, but maybe some of this explains why she is such a critical variable to Jacob’s equation.

Now take note of this interaction with Sawyer from “What Kate Did”:

KATE: (To Sawyer, who has started channeling the ghost of dead Wayne) “You asked me why I — why I did it. It wasn’t because you drove my father away, or the way you looked at me, or because you beat her. It’s because I hated that you were a part of me — that I would never be good. That I would never have anything good. And every time that I look at Sawyer — every time I feel something for him — I see you, Wayne. It makes me sick.”

(Does this not sound eerily familiar to Dogen’s explanation about Sayid’s infection, and how there is a darkness growing in him…?)

Is it possible that when she confesses to Sawyer that she did it because she didn’t want his (Wayne’s) darkness in her and she would never be good, it’s because a part of her has always been running from who she saw herself to be in a past life? So killing Wayne was a way of making that darkness happen (self-fulfilling prophecy) and it also was a way of her trying to distance herself from what she was afraid she would become. And even more, it is the essence of the “free-will co-existing with destiny tension” theme. She finally does something that actually forces her to run rather than accept what she had become. In one timeline (815 crashes) when she is caught, the black horse appears on the road causing the accident with Mars, which makes it possible for her to escape again. Then she ends up on the island, where she is given ‘tabula rasa’ and confesses why she killed Wayne and she encounters the black horse again. Yet she continues to run. So either she really is “born to run” or we’re missing something. Yet no matter what…we are seeing that Destiny course corrects.

Which brings me to another thought that I can’t shake about Kate and “Destiny”.

We have been giving two memorable lines about Destiny in past seasons.

(From “The Variable”)

ELOISE: Daniel… do you know what destiny means?
DANIEL: No.
ELOISE: Destiny means that, if one has a special gift, then it must be nurtured.
ELOISE: Your gift, Daniel, is your mind–a mind that is meant for science, mathematics. And it’s my… job to keep you on your path.

BEN (from “Cabin Fever”)

BEN: Those things had to happen to me. That was my destiny. But you’ll understand soon enough that there are consequences to being chosen… because, destiny, John, is a fickle bitch.

Which brings us back to Kate. She’s been a bit fickle, no?

Destiny, The Fickle Bitch = Kate

We have seen the back and forth of Kate before. Kate chooses the beach over the caves with Jack. Kate left Jack once while Jack sacrificed himself and stayed with the Others. (“I Do”) Kate stays with Sawyer at “New Otherton” nearly making babies. (“Eggtown”) Then, she went with Jack to leave the island, while Sawyer sacrificed himself to get her off the island by jumping out of the helicopter. Then of course, Kate and Jack post-island didn’t work out because of Jack’s jealousy issues tied back to Kate’s relationship with Sawyer.

A subtly recurring theme that exists within their triangle has to do with sacrifice. We have seen Jack and Sawyer seemingly sacrifice themselves for Kate to survive. By the looks of their relationships currently, the ‘love triangle’ is dissolved. At this point, Kate is free in a certain sense, and it would appear based on her behavior/conversations in “What Kate Does” that she knows that she is free from either of them. Free in one way, yet still indebted to them.

Both men have sacrificed to save her. Both men are now primed to follow opposing sides. Now she is the ultimate variable. She believed her purpose for returning to the island is to find Claire and ensure that Claire raises Aaron, something that we can say has happened as portrayed in the Sideways timeline. After all of this, I don’t think she is ‘resolved’ yet.

I wouldn’t be surprised that instead of Kate CHOOSING Jack or Sawyer, she in fact will have to sacrifice herself for one of them. Beyond Jack and Sawyer, and looking at the remaining Losties on the list, Kate has influence (therefore power) over all of them. She is probably the most trusted non-leader Leader among Sayid, Hurley, and Sun & Jin, which gives her the unique role and ‘special gift’ of being able to nurture them along their paths, similar to how Eloise saw herself.

It will ultimately depend on who she believes and trusts the most, which includes herself (and at risk of sounding simple and/or dramatic) and any version of herself she takes into account. It will truly come down to her choice as the variable, and it will be her ultimate, destined act of redemption.

(From “The Variable”)

DANIEL: I had been spending so much time focused on the constants, I forgot about the variables. Do you know what the variables in these equations are, Jack? Us. We’re the variables. People. We think. We reason. We make choices. We have free will. We can change our destiny.”

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Hi there. Since the beginning of this last season of LOST I have, like many others I think, been wondering how the last few minutes of our favorite show will end. Just like the closing scene of each season we’ve seen before, I think the last scene of LOST will be memorable, like Jack and Locke staring down the hatch, or Jack yelling after Kate that they have to go back to the island. The last scene will most likely leave us with our mouths open from surprise and a knot in our stomach knowing that we will never sit down to watch a new episode of LOST again. So in anticipation of the last scene of LOST, I thought it would be fun to post my prediction of the final scene and I hope you too will leave your predictions in the comments.

Based on last nights episode “The Substitute,” my prediction for the final scene of LOST is that the candidate who finally becomes the new Jacob (probably Jack) will be standing in Jacob’s cave writing a whole new group of names on the ceiling to bring a new group to the island. This would leave the viewers mystified, and yet satisfied knowing that the story of the island will continue on even if we never get to see it.

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I know plenty of people hated last week’s episode. I’m okay being in the minority (which is why I post this in the debate section) but I think that there were at least a few things learned from “What Kate Does” that are worth noting.

The more I think about this episode the more I like it.

1. ASH — SMOKE(Y) — FIRE — Part of the test we saw performed on Sayid involved blowing ash over him. Ash is once again seen as significant as it relates to Smokey. The irony and hopefully staring-us-in-the-face clue is that ash and smoke (the visible form of “the Monster”) are both correlated to fire. Fire is the very place that Jacob ultimately died, beneath the Greek symbols for “The fire pit burns brightly to ash.” Bram carried ash with him and instantly knew to use it as protection when facing Smokey. The Others got out their stash of ash to use as protection against “him” coming. Fire, ash and Smokey = all related, all worth paying attention to. They could have used plenty of other symbols or items that would ward off a Smoke Monster, like water (oh hey dirty fountain water) or trees (which seems to have been important in the past) but we keep seeing the use of ash.

2. HOW IS SAYID HEALED: MIB? JACOB? JACK? — It’s not yet possible to identify exactly how Sayid came back to life, even if he is considered alive-but-infected. On Chief’s post, I threw into the mix the possibility that Jack healed him. Jack is now actually being the most honest and humbled he has been in awhile, if not his entire life. It would be fitting that Doc the healer for the past 5 seasons is finally owning his limitations and inability to control things at the very time that he now can actually heal as he has been destined to heal and lead. (I throw “lead” in there because that little sit-down with Dogen and the talk on leadership was not ‘filler.’) This possibility also fits with the past seasons leading us to believe that Jack is special and his role as leader/healer and “Shepard” bloodline is significant.

3. CLAIRE — Claire is infected and Danielle-esque. There is plenty of conversation on this elsewhere on the site, but it still counts as something we learned.

4. “THE DARKNESS IN HIM” — This isn’t just about Sayid. Sawyer is headed down a dark path of isolation and hopelessness. This is one more significant addition to the storyline of “sides” and whose side he will end up on, as well as the overarching trust issues that we are finally getting to. The Losties divided has never worked out well, and at some point he will have to make series (and character) resolving decisions based on who he trusts and what he does because of it.

5. MORE SYMBOLISM — Obvious use of images (and one previous episode’s statement) that symbolizes being bound to each other: an engagement ring, handcuffs, and from LA X, the line “nice to see you out of those chains.” In Kate removing her handcuffs, is she finally free? (See #6 below.) If anything, to me these were symbols to pay attention to as the theme of trust and sides in point #4. Should we count on Sun & Jin’s wedding ring making an on-screen appearance soon to remind us of these ties and eventual divisions between the Losties? Most likely. And thinking more on that…the fact that Jacob appeared to Sun & Jin at their wedding, where they gave each other their rings and his blessing to them was about their love (unity), it’s quite fitting that Crazy Claire finds Jin of all people. But hey, maybe that was just filler. Just kidding.

6. WHAT KATE DOES — Finally, to Kate and what she DOES. The episode is called what Kate DOES, present tense. She did in one timeline what she is trying to do in the other. (Seems pretty significant to me.) In Sideways timeline (no 815-crash) she accomplishes the very goal that motivated her to go back to the island in the 815-crashes timeline: find Claire in order to reunite Claire with Aaron, as Kate believes that Claire should be raising her son. In the no-crash timeline, she finds Claire (on the street) and in the hospital she offers Claire the advice, “You should keep him.” Which is like another way of saying, “you and your son belong together.” (She could have added, “TRUST ME, I KNOW” if we are to think that the characters have some soul-type connection to their “other” timeline self.) The belonging together type of statement sounds a lot like Kate believes a bit in destiny.

The fact that Kate DID what she is trying to do elsewhere is so critical to our understanding of how the writers are leading us through these two timelines. If we miss these types of overlaps, I tend to think we are missing the bigger picture. All of the past seasons use of Flashbacks and Flashforwards were vital components of how we understood what was happening with the characters, why they were making the choices they were, and they also provided major clues to some of the very things us viewers have been debating and trying to figure out. Whether it is about changing the past, destiny, course correction, or resolving who represents “good” based on the choices that they make — this “new” timeline has to be paid attention to for how these major themes get resolved.

Obviously, everyone who hated this episode can hate it. To me there was plenty to chew on, and ultimately I believe character-centered answers are going to trump obvious ‘island-mystery’ answers whether us viewers like it or not. I think plenty about the island will be answered soon enough, but not at the expense of showing us how significant certain tensions, divisions and resolutions are for the main characters first.

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Written 3rd February

I don’t really know where to start!!

The whole “man in black (mib) is the black smoke-monster” thing was kinda predictable thou.. here is a cool thing.. MIB/Smokey ?

Im woundering more what does MIB stand for? It seems Jakob is “free will” and the MIB is “something” else.. Almost as if they were “Destiny” and “Chance” ? Like life on earth is decided by Destiny at this moment, and has been for a while, but now when MIB is the one left, the “real world” will be decided by Chance.. (maybe refering to their conversation, and how bitter the MIB was on “Humans”)

And does this effect the “real world“, as in when Jacob got killed, the “new time line” is a result of how life would be if MIB ruled the island?

One thing that caught me was the conversation Jack had with Rose and the Stewardess. In Season 1, Jack is the one who says “Don’t worry“, now it’s Rose who says it. And in Season 1, the stewardess gives Jack two bottles, now she gives him one? Is that an important change? Or is it just random changes to show the audience that there’s been a change?

There was kinda cool that desmond was on the plane, but that’s really bothers me, couse WHY would he be on that plane, at that time, he was in the Hatch, pushing the button? Couse if juliet changed everything with the Hydrogen bomb, why are the island on the bottom of the sea? WITH dharmaville houses left? Did the island sink in the 70s? Or did something else (that we don’t know about yet) happen, that made it sink? (remember the flying fire arrows in the time-jumps?)

As Charlie said “Iv’e should have died“, is a deep “destiny” thing, couse when Charlie died he maneged to save Desmond, now when Jack helped him, Desmond couldn’t survive, and that why he disapeard in the plane?

The way everybody met in the “new timeline” are events that no person (in that reality) could have seen, Kate & Sawyer had a attractive force, without knowing what they “may” have went through, if they crashed. The same with Frogurt and Artz, they were the same caracters in “real life” as on the Island. Locke and Jack even had a attractive force, and their objects they were missing are very important (or somehow repeating subjects through the serie) Locks knives, the knives who he choosed wrong when Alpert visited him as a kid, the knifes that Locked killed boars with, (and Naomi ^^) Knifes and Locke are one!

Jack and his Dad, the coffin, are also a very important subject to the serie, as we could see “Christian” (or smokey) guide the Losties through their way theyv’e ended up now. The fact that Jacks dad is missing makes me think that all the Losties in the new timeline can’t escape their destiny, they all are gonna feel that something is wrong sooner or later! (charlie is going to die, nomatter what he does). Jack may be finding his dad alive (couse everythings changed), or he’s getting eager to “fix” this with his dad, and founds something he did in the “alternative life” (what we’ve seen throug season 1-5), that made an effect on the “new time line“. And he will realize he had a “alternative life”

..well, Nuff said about the “New timeline”

The temple, i was relly lifted to see that, still don’t get it all, why the stewardess is there, and the children, couse from the beginning they were on Jacobs list, they got kidnaped in season 2 and we didn’t now to where, now we got the answer, but why? What does they have that the temple people have? Why does they fit in their community?  And where do they come from? Why does he speak Japanese? Are they the people from the black rock?

And finally, Flocke says something about Alperts chains, i don’t think it’s a metaphore, maybe it has something to do with the slaves at the black rock? Some one gave him eternal life without ageing? Maybe it’s over now when Jacob is dead? Ben said that Alpert is some kind of Adviser of the island, i think Jacob, MIB and Alpert are somehow connected, those three are the “owners” of the island in some how?

Iv’e tried to be brief, hehe

/N-D Sweden

Don’t forget the vendetta between Ben & Widmore, the numbers, how the statue falled and don’t forget what the prophet said about Aaron, and how he had to be raised! ^^

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Hey folks,

I’m not sure if anyone has posted or analyzed the Season 6 poster yet, and if you have, sorry for being tardy to the party.

If you take a look at the order of the cast members, you’ll find that all of the characters who have been killed are standing more towards the back. This of course assumes that Juliet actually died in the bomb, and possibly that Claire is a walking undead, a la Locke and Nemesis. Taking from this, there are only six cast members that are definitely standing in front of everyone else:

  • Miles
  • Kate
  • Jin
  • Hurley
  • “Locke”
  • Richard

Not sure what this means, but it could indicate who won’t be part of the massive body count expected by the end of the series. Just a thought…

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This is a blast from the past question:

Kate tells Jack she was conscious during the crash of 815 and remembers everything. I’m fairly certain she’s the only one to claim this. I know she was the last one to put on her oxygen mask…but oxygen, is just oxygen…..it shouldn’t have made everyone else not remember crashing, right?

Did anyone ever come across or have their own theory on why Kate remembers?

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It’s really not a big deal or anything but I was just thinking about it last night and, I guess the reason Kate had to deliver Aaron was that the writers knew Jack was Claire’s brother and, well, it would have been kind of weird if he’d done it, right? I was really surprised watching it the first time when Jack just flatly said “no, I’m staying here”, him being super-Doc and all. But looking back I guess the writers kinda had to do something a tincy-bit out of character for Jack in order to get around the foresight that, well, Claire’s his baby sister.

Imagine if he had delivered the baby and then found that she was his sister.Awwwkkwwaarrrdd.

Anyway, it was just something kinda funny I realized at about 11:00 last night.

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Theory: Yes, I think that Kate is pregnant.

Why?

It all goes along with the what Eloise said to the Oceanic Six before the return to island. Let me explain.

ELOISE: Come on in.

JACK: Ben and Sun-

ELOISE: Heard what they needed to hear, and this does not concern them. [She looks through a large amount of papers on the desk.] Oh. Here we are. [She brings a battered envelope to Jack. We see it has “Jack Shephard” written on the front.]

JACK: What’s this?

ELOISE: It’s John Locke’s suicide note.

[Thunder continues rumbling]

JACK: [Sighs] Uh… I, uh… I didn’t know.

ELOISE: Well, why would you? Obituaries don’t see fit to mention when people hang themselves, Jack.

JACK: [Sighs] Why would he kill himself?

ELOISE: Ohh… there are many reasons, I’m sure, but the only one that matters is this–he is going to help you get back. John is going to be a proxy. A substitute.

JACK: A substitute for who?

ELOISE: Jack… who do you think? You need to, as best you can, recreate the conditions of the original flight… which is why you need to give John something of your father’s. You have to get something that belonged to your father, and you need to give it to John.

JACK: What?

ELOISE: That’s what you have to do.

JACK: My father… is gone. My father has been dead for three years. You want me to… [scoffs] a–and to give it to Locke?! He’s in a coffin! This is ridiculous.

ELOISE: Oh, stop thinking how ridiculous it is and start asking yourself whether or not you believe it’s going to work. That’s why it’s called a leap of faith, Jack.

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

Eloise explains, rather vaguely, that they have to “recreate” the first plane crash as best the can in order for the second crash to find the island. That’s why Locke had to die and why Jack had to give him something of his father’s. Now the way I believe it had to work was not that they had have all the same situations on the second plane that they did on the first, that would be impossible, but moreso that everyone from Oceanic 815 that was going to be on flight 316 had to fit the role of someone from Oceanic 815 whether it was by being themself again or by fitting the situation of someone else (the other passengers excluded from this as the island doesn’t know them yet so it doesn’t matter–they’re created their own original situation)–that seems straightforward and it’s easy to pick out as they’re boarding the plane.

[As Jack walks through the plane he sees Sayid. Sayid looks up and looks like he wants to say something, but then he looks at the woman next to him and frowns, avoiding Jack’s eyes. Jack sees Sun, next. She has Jin’s ring in her hands. Jack sees Kate. She’s keeping her head low and looking away.]

JACK: You made it.

KATE: [taking off her sunglasses] Yeah, I made it.

[Jack continues walking to his seat and sits down.]

[Hurley enters, carrying a guitar case in front of him.]

FLIGHT ATTENDANT: That should be everybody.

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

So the Oceanic Six (plus Locke and minus Aaron) are all here. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun, Hurely and Locke. The fact that Ben and Frank are there too is irrelevant (at least for now) because they weren’t on Ocean Six so they have nothing to recreate just as none of the other passengers do either. It’s these Six who have to recreate the role of a previous 815 character in order for the island to accept them back–that’s what Eloise says, we don’t know why, that’s just the way it is.

Hurley is taking on the role of Charlie here. I’m not entirely sure but I think the guitar might actually be Charlie’s–either way though, it clearly shows that he’s brought a guitar just like Charlie did that first flight. Hurley’s on board and the island will recognize him for filling Charlie’s spot, or at least having something of Charlie’s.

Sayid is taking on Kate’s old role as the fugitive in handcuffs with a “special friend” beside him to watch over him–we also know that Alana, Sayid’s special friend, knew where guns were (we see her and those other dude’s with a buttload of guns during episode 11) and it’s likely that they were hers because she knew Sayid was dangerous–just as the Marshal, Mars, from season one had a buttload of guns because he knew, or believed that Kate was dangerous. So Sayid is on board and the island will recognize him for filling Kate’s original role.

Sun and Jack are two that can go either of two ways and I’m not entirely sure that it matters but I’ll explain both anyway.

Sun and Jack could either be simply themselves since little has changed with them and they can therefore fill their own previous roles, or Sun could be compared to Rose and Jack to Charlie (I’m not sure if both Hurley and Jack can work as Charlie-fillers, but who knows). Sun is still a married Korean woman and Jack is still a doctor so they can technically still be themselves. But the episode specifically shows Sun fingering Jin’s wedding ring and this can be paralleled to Rose who wore her husband Bernard’s wedding ring around her neck and fingered it similarly before the crash, waiting to see him again when he “gets back from the bathroom”. Jack was also somewhat of a junkie since he became addicted to that drug and this again parallels Charlie–either way, the island will recognize them.

Locke is obviously Christian Shepard, Jack’s (and Claire’s) father as this is the one example we’re actually 100% sure of since Eloise Hawking uses him as a direct example of this weird sort of role filling the gang has to do in order to be accepted back to the island. He’s dead, he’s in a coffin, and he’s wearing Christian’s shoes so he fills that role and the island will take him back as such.

Now when I was thinking all this through while watching them get on the plane (I was going–“oh, look, Hurley’s got a guitar! Sayid’s in handcuffs–o.m.g!” and totally geeking out that the writers are such geniuses, as if that wasn’t already apparent) I found myself wondering how Kate fit in. She can’t fit the role of herself because she’s no longer a fugitive, she’s a free woman and not in handcuffs, no wanted, no marshal with a pack of guns watching her. She can’t be Sun because she’s not a married Korean woman. She can’t be Ana Lucia because she’s not a cop, can’t be Libby because she’s not insane nor a psychiatrist, she can’t be Rose because she’s not a married black woman waiting for her husband and fingering his wedding ring, she has no obvious role to fill–so then I thought of Claire. HOLY CRAP SHE’S A YOUNG, UNMARRIED PREGNANT WOMAN–AH!

It works other ways too because if you think about it, Claire was pregnant with Christian Shepard’s grandson, since he was her father, the baby–Aaron–had Christian’s third-generation blood in it, right? And Jack is also the child of Christian Shepard and the same blood runs through his veins, so any child of his would also be the grandson of Christian Shepard.

Now, back in Season Three when Juliet was first introduced as the defecting Other, we found out that she was taking samples from all the woman to see if they were pregnant and there was this whole big deal where “Austen” was the next one but we never found if she was or not (knowing that her and Sawyer had been together) and Kate was worried for the rest of the season until discovering that she wasn’t. That whole plot seemed weird and random and it was sort of a reoccurring theme that Kate was worried about being pregnant.

She was the one who helped Sun out when Sun found out she was pregnant and there Sun asked her if she’d ever taken a pregnancy test and of course Kate got that look in her eyes that means “flashback will be arriving soon”.

In the flashback within a later episode we watch her entire story about married life with police officer Kevin, just so she can take a pregnancy test, freak out, and then drug him and leave with the excuse of “I was almost pregnant”. Okayyyy.

Next her and Sawyer and that whole deal happens and while at the Dharma village she talks to Claire and we see her deer-in-headlights reaction to Claire asking her to pick up Aaron so he’ll stop crying. Again–why? Who cares?

Then Claire says “you try it sometime” in reference to having a baby and later Kate seems confused about the whole kid deal. While in bed with Sawyer we find out that she now knows she’s not pregnant and Sawyer is jubilant while she still seems confused and then gets angry with his over-the-top joyful reaction and leaves.

Finally we see Kate deciding to take Aaron as her own and, with the help of Cassidy, it’s revealed to both us and to Kate that she “needed him”–needed this child to look after and love. Okay–but clearly she can’t have Aaron, he’s not hers, he can’t stay with her forever, and no matter what she thinks, she’ll never be his mother. So the thing she needs she can’t get simply by claiming. Hmm.

[Jack walks into his apartment and closes the door. He flicks on the light switch and goes to the kitchen. He pours a drink and we hear the door close. Jack stops pouring and looks around. Jack hears footsteps and a light thud. Jack slowly walks through his apartment and into his bedroom where he finds someone lying on the bed. He moves closer and sees it’s Kate.]

JACK: Kate? What are you doing here?

KATE: Are you still going back to the Island?

JACK: Yeah. Yeah, I think I am.

KATE: Then I’m going with you.

JACK: Kate… what happened? Where’s Aaron? Where–

KATE: [Getting up and facing Jack] No, don’t ask questions. If you want me to go with you… you’ll never ask me that question again. You will never ask me about Aaron. Do you understand, Jack?

JACK: Yes.

KATE: Thank you.

[They kiss, Jack takes off his suit-coat, and they lie on the bed.]

Transcript thanks to Lostpedia.com, Season 5–episode 6 “316” (Link)

I think it’s easily implied what happens here Kate being who she is and us knowing what she does when she’s “sad”. Coincidentally this takes place the night before they leave to go home and off the island which makes things considerably better if it works out the way I think because at least she won’t die like Juliet believes happened to all the other women who got pregnant on the island. I think that this had to happen just as Sayid had to get arrested, Sun had to end up with Jin’s ring, Jack had to get depressed and strung out on drugs and Hurley had to be visited by Charlie and procure a guitar (perhaps we’ll see a flashback of how Hurley got a guitar–maybe Charlie came back to visit him again, we know that it was Charlie who first began visiting Hurley so it might very well be that he told Hurley to take his guitar or even gave it to him) and Locke had to die. It all had to happen and Kate had to get pregnant. She needed someone’s shoes to fill (no pun intended–hehe Locke) and that was Claire’s.

A final note to this, although I don’t think it really has much to do with anything is that when Kate gave up Aaron in the last episode “Dead is Dead” to his grandmother she also revealed that her reason for going back to the island is to find Claire and somehow, for some reason she believes that Claire is alive. I think we can probably trust this because it seems like everyone has had some sort of weird epiphany without reason about the island and why they have to go back and I can’t see why that would happen if it wasn’t true. Going from “I’m never going back there” to “I’m going back to find Claire, she’s alive” in like a matter of days seems pretty hardcore.

So, while this isn’t some huge, earth-shattering theory about the meaning of the island, I really think that the parallels between the 815/316 flights have meaning to them for the specific characters and it seems to me that the only conclusion that fits into the picture is that Kate is preggo and Jack’s going to be papa. 🙂

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I was re-watching the pilot episode, part two.

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I was recently watching Part 2 of the Pilot episode, and something caught my eye.

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I thought the story that Ben told to Jack about Thomas the Apostle was a little strange, and then I got to thinking. What if Ben had contacted Thomas (Claire’s boyfriend, Aaron’s real father) about Aaron being off the island? It would make sense that Ben’s lawyer could threaten Kate with a change in custody if she did not cooperate with them if they had been in contact with Aaron’s real father (although the change in custody works with Claire’s mother as well, we later found out she has no idea of Aaron’s existence).

Maybe Thomas gets reunited with Aaron and although “having doubt” at the time of the pregnancy, changes his mind once he sees the child “in the flesh” (much like the Apostle Thomas). If Kate was present during this reunion it could have been enough to put her over the edge, stop living the lie and realize that there is nothing left for her off the island, inevitably leading her back.

I just can’t seem to buy into Aaron being with Sun’s nanny or Claire’s mother (who doesn’t even know who Aaron is).

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Kate Austen: fugitive on the run turned loving mother of someone elses child. Something just doesn’t add up there.

I propose that Kate has some hidden agenda, something deceiptful and traitorous that only she knows what she’s up to. Not even Ben could have manipulated her to this level.

When the O6 go back to the island I think she will give Aaron back to Claire, demanding no furthur part in his upbringing. Then, she will turn her back on Jack and co. to do something for herself.

Maybe she has a secret alliance with Christian or Jacob, or even Locke, and that her mission was always to end up back on the island to serve some purpose. Some mean and evil purpose.

Just what that purpose is is another mystery, but you can rest assured that Kate is up to something.

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