Hey did anyone ever suggest that Jack would be the new smoke monster? Cus it makes sense in a lot of ways.

– MIB was more trustworthy of science as Jack was, where the new leader of the island Hurley is probably more of a faith guy, like Jacob.

– he woke up in the same place, or at least in the same body position, as MIB after entering the light cave thingy.

– in purgatory Kate said she waited for Jack so long, like at the time I took it as she just had to wait her whole life until she died, but maybe she had to wait til however long Jack’s spirit as the smoke monster got off the island as well. It explains why removing the cork made MIB mortal, so he was able to die and pass on. The same has to happen for Jack to pass on perhaps?

– it be pretty cool.

Thinking about this even more, perhaps anybody who enters the light who is not “permitted” like say Desmond was, turns into the smoke monster. But I dont think turning into the smoke monster necessarily means that person is going to be evil or have a grudge against the protector of the island. That gives more reason to why the writers would characterize MIB so much, he had a single, human motivation. Perhaps it wasn’t his destiny or assignment to be against Jacob, he just chose to be.

So maybe while Hurley and Ben were running things, they talked to a very nice and accommodating Smokie Jack and they just had to find Desmond again so they could let Jack pass on. But knowing Jack, perhaps he pushed that off for awhile, and lent Hurley and Ben a hand on the island. I mean, we know smokie can move a lot of shit, plus Jack would be a good leader while Hurley and Ben were off island.

The writers said the show was about the characters, and it was, and all the shit that the Losties went through were result of Jacob’s and MIB’s character. MIB was pissed (who wouldn’t be, his life wasn’t that great, psycho mom and all) so a lot of shit happened. And perhaps Jacob could have easily went over seas and just gave a few people a job application to take over the island, but he and his brother liked to play games, so they did.  they both got a God complex or something. And you know what? Thank goodness cus there wouldn’t have been much of a show if the two of them just hugged it out and got along.

Oh and another thing…

…like the mysterious Mom of Jacob and MIB, she was probably both the protector and the smoke monster. Like why not be both? But then if the same procedure had to happen with the cork being removed to make smokie mortal, how she was killed so easily? My answer, it’s fricken LOST and there was probably a loophole or exception that really doesn’t have much logic behind it, but you just have to go with it.

Like maybe because she was both smokie and the light protector allowed her death to be easier, or honestly the fact she didn’t get first word in, or maybe just because the rules don’t apply to her as much. It’s LOST, if the show ever had a straight set of definitive rules the show would have been called FOUND.

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Okay, I think most of us realised that the writers didn’t have complex explanation for most of the mysteries. The island was a cork, the whispers were ghosts, the number were numbers, etc, etc. So thinking about a simple explanation to the shoes mystery, I came to this conclusion.

MIB was manipulating Ben and the others, right? OK, so smokey wanted Locke’s body back to the island for using his body. Ben said that Jack should put his dad’s shoes in Locke’s feet because… that was the instructions MIB indirectly gave to Ben. Why? Simple solution: MIB wanted to use confortable shoes when he used Locke’s body. Remember he has been 2000 years in the island and never tried modern shoes. That was an excellent oportunity for that! After all MIB liked to walk because it made him remember when he was completely human. What a great chance to obtain a new body from the leader of the others and a fancy pair of shoes!

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I’ve been trying to piece together some stuff from the show, and figure out just exactly why the light in the cave was of such importance. I don’t know if this has been brought up already or not, so if it has i apologise. I’m not even sure if this is obvious or a really stupid idea, but after that finale, we don’t have too much to go on.

I think the reason that light in the cave was so important was because it was what kept the afterlife in existence. Maybe when it was stated several times that if MIB got his way ‘everyone you love would be gone’, it didn’t mean they would physically die. As we heard Christian say, some people died before Jack, some long after, but they were all there. In this afterlife there is no now, so it could mean you’re able to spend eternity with everyone you ever loved, even people that aren’t dead yet, everyone you want to be with is there, thats a beautiful concept.

this makes me think of some of the promises that Jacob made to people, such as telling Dogen he could be with his son again, i guess he wasn’t lying. Now think if that light is what i think it is, and by it being put out this afterlife ceases to exist, everyone you love will be gone. Those are pretty high stakes, and to me adds deeper meaning to the light, why it needs to be protected and why they showed us the afterlife scenario. Thinking this way, i actually feel a bit happier about the way it ended, and the final ten minutes don’t seem so random. I know this is a little outlandish, but there really isn’t any logical way to explain the importance of a light in a cave.

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Written 14th May

Ok, so this is sort of a fusion of a few other ideas floating around…but here we go…

So, we are pretty sure now that Eve (Fake Mom) was also a crazy-ass black smoke monster, much like Flocke. She was able to manipulate everything from the very beginning in order to get MiB to kill her (she thanked him before she died). She was unable to kill herself, and thus had to have a candidate kill her. Another theory floating around was the idea that Flocke didn’t actually physically want to leave the island. He just wanted to die.

Ok, so what if the Black Smoke monster just wants to get back to the “light”? The “monster” keeps getting trapped in the body of a dead candidate. After Eve was killed by MiB, the monster finally went back…until Jacob killed MiB and sent his body into the light. Now the monster was back out, and it just wanted back in.

Now, here’s another thought. Smokie can only be killed by the current protector of the island. He knew that Jacob wouldn’t do it, and so he set out to kill Jacob (loophole, etc.). With Jacob dead, he needed the get a replacement for him, and get the new protector to set him free.

So, what if he was not trying to kill all of the candidates in the sub. He just needs one candidate to survive. Now, Smokie’s no fool. He knew that Sayid didn’t really kill Desmond, and that he is still trapped in the well. He just needs to get all the others out of the way, leaving a final candidate to replace Jacob, kill him, and finally be free.

Thoughts? Comments? Criticisms?

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Written 13th May

So I think Desmond is going to be thrown into the light to replace MIB, and they need Zoe to find it.

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I’m not sure how some of you made it this far into the series, seeing that this is a more intellectual show. There have been numerous post about how Jacob’s Mother was definitely Smokey because of her attitude and ability to fill in a well and take out an entire camp of people.

Lets put on our thinking caps.

1) Smokey doesn’t bleed. Jacob’s Mom bleeds when she is stabbed.

2) We have seen Smokey summoned by someone as simple as Benjamin Linus. So what makes us all think it’s impossible for Jacob’s Mother, who seems to be somewhat special, to summon Smokey. If anyone can do it, it would definitely be her.

3)Jacob’s Mother’s skeleton is in the cave. Once again, Smokey replicates a body, doesn’t take over a body. So if it was stabbed and killed, their would be no skeleton in a cave still. Some people have theorized that she was faking. Not possible. You can’t fake your own rotting decomposing body in a cave.

I’m sure there is more obvious proof. But this is all I can think of right now. I’m just tired of reading the same theory over and over that makes no sense. Some of the theories I read are so well thought out, and I’m digging it, up until the point where they say Smokey was Jacob’s Mom. It is possible though, that maybe the Smoke Monster had recruited her somehow, and helped her out at the scene.

Sorry if I seem like I’m attacking anyone, I just feel like we can do better. Either way, Lost consumes my ability to think about the real world. And I’m thankful for the hundreds of hours I’ve wasted at work reading all of your theories. Thank You, and Namaste!

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A lot of people keep theorizing that Locke became taken over by the smoke monster when the plane crashed or when he saw “the light”. This just cant be possible.

For starters, MIB never bleeds when he is shot in this season, however when the shrapnel hits johns leg he bleeds out. Also when he is shot and healed by Richard Alpert. Also when he falls down the well. Come on people.

And when John Locke leaves the island, why wouldnt that be MIB set free? Because it wasn’t MIB. Hell, Ben killed him!

And the last bit of evidence is THERE IS A BODY BELONGING TO THE REAL JOHN LOCKE rotting in the ground on the island. MIB doesnt take over a body, he replicates it. Hence two John Lockes in season 6.

Please correct me if Im wrong, but Im truly surprised how many people are believing Locke has been MIB all along. Just crazy.

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Smoke Monster is trying to get back to the Source. He’s not really MiB. He was just using that form to communicate with Jacob and at some point got stuck in his present form the same way the current manifestation is stuck in Locke’s body. Similarly, as MiB was to inherit the Island but turned away and left Jacob as the only option, Locke was to inherit the Island only to lose his way and leave Jack as the next option. Chances are Jack will find his way to the Source by accident and Smokey will try and head back down there…or possibly find someone to take the plunge and replace him.

Side note: Since Jacob’s name is similar to Jack, I’m thinking MiB’s real name was something close to John, like Jonah or something. Just a thought…

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For the record. I thought last nights epsidoe was pretty good. Seems like a lot of people really weren’t into it. I think it gave us one last round of theorizing before the end begins. I also think it really put into perspective the vast majority of the show. Anyways, onto the theory.

I believe it was shown that MIB knew how to build the wheel because his dead mother was showing him how. “Im Special” means “I see dead people”. Which I think brings up some very interesting ideas.

The light under the island (I believe it to be a meteor). Is related to life/death and was refered to as “the source”. We saw the fake Mother last night transfer the duties to Jacob. This happened with the bottle of wine. I’m thinking that something happened here under the hood. Jacob was actually changed there. Just like MIB was changed when he came in contact with the light. I think whatever Jacob drank was partially the water with the light. He was made immortal in some way, and most importantly got knowledge. I could be looking too much into this. If you watch his face when he drinks it. It looked to me like he had a moment of revelation. A flood of knowledge came to him. Then the fake Mother says “We are the same now”. I kinda took that as meaning they now shared the same knowledge.

This also seems to mirror what Smokie can do. Smokie seems to me like he embodies the dead. Like he is the wealth of all the dead knowledge. He knew John Lockes thoughts when Ben was stranglin him.

My point here is that they are both part of that light. Jacob drank the wine and got his gifts from the light. MIB actually came in contact with it and became Smokie.

I love it!

All I want from Lost at this point is a glimpse of what the “light” actually is. Hopefully good ol Desmond will be the man. I just want some cool Indiana Jones sequence where they go deep under the island and we see some crazy ruin !@#$!

What is that damned light?

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Hopefully this will be the last question I’ll ever post!

Ok, so we know that Jacobs ‘mother’ passed the job of protecting the light on to Jacob.

However, after less than, what i can assume, 10 minutes, Jacob manages to make the light go out.. And out comes Smokie.

So what is Jacob meant to be protecting.. And what will his chosen candidate have to protect? I was under the impression it was the glowing light but clearly that was put out a long time ago..?

If it’s to keep Adam (yes im calling MIB that now) on the island then why? How will everything cease to exist if he gets off? Because to me, it just seemed as though he wanted to leave to see what else is out there..

So to sum up, HOW is Jacob protecting the island?

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So, now we have an idea of how the two brothers (Jacob and MIB) came to the island. Here are some issues I have after watching this episode:

1. The woman seems to not want people on the island, how do they crash there? I thought it was that Jacob brings people to the island, but clearly he didn’t have the ability to do that before he was born. And since the woman(the guardian of the island at that time) has no reason to want them on the island, how did they get there?

2. Jacob takes on responsibility for the island from his mom, but now he seems to want the opposite of what she did. He wants to prove MIB and his mom wrong, that people ARE good. And MIB is just bitter at this point and despises humanity. And since Jacob turned him into a total freakazoid, he needs to protect the world from him now by keeping him there. It seems odd that Jacob’s goals differ so greatly from his mom, although he took the responsibility to protect the island, he seems to have a different idea of how to do that.

Finally, I’m just sort of disappointed in general, I don’t feel like we have had much of anything explained more than we knew LAST season finalie and here we are at the end. I have a bad feeling that so much is going to be unexplained, or only vaguely explained, like what the island is, what this bright light is, etc.

Only time will tell I guess. Lost is still the best show on tv, even if the ending will leave me wanting more.

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This is a list of the candidates powers and limitations

Powers:

– Kill each other

– Kill Jacob

– Keep MIB on the Island

– To not be harmed DIRECTLY by MIB

Limitations

– Cannot commit suicide

– Cannot be rid of the Island (Always destined to come back)

– Cannot kill MIB (This is not sure but very likely)

– Cannot kill Jacob (Also not sure but I think it would make sense)

These theories may have been previously mentioned in other theories.

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Soo, how good was the latest episode ayy?!

Anyway.. I was re-watching the candidate and noticed that Locke took the watch from the dead guy before he enters the plane. We know he later used this watch as a countdown timer on the bomb but why did he take the watch in the first place? Its as if he knew exactly what he was doing.. Or is there some logical explanation to this?

What are your thoughts?

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When MIB messes up Richard he uses an interesting technique. This technique may divulge where he came from. He grabbed Richard in the throat and then knocked him out with his knee or something it was in LA X. The mysterious past of MIB is something that won’t be answered for a while, but I would appreciate your help.

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Maybe the blonde boy is Jacob and he killed someone. Maybe they are brothers and Jacob killed their father and that’s why the boy had the hands full of blood and that’s why their mother got crazy.

Possibly Jacob feels regret for murdering and that why he decided to spend the rest of his life on the island. MIB lost someone he loved, in this case his father and feels anger and disappointment about all humanity for it. Jacob wants to repent for his acts and decided to show his brother that he can be good and that humanity is good too and he won’t let him go until he proves his point and his brother forgives him.

MIB is not evil, but he can’t stand his brother, that’s why he wanted to kill Jacob so badly and he is also desperate after being stuck for more than one thousand years in the island.

Jacob appears as a kid to MIB to disturb him. It is Jacob appearing as a ghost to make him give up on leaving the island until he shows that people can be good.

Jacob is not completely sane and is quite bipolar as can be noticed when he attacked Richard. He acted completely differently from his messianic behavior in other appearances. That’s why he likes to torment his brother with his appearances as a boy, reminding him of what he did. He also possibly made MIB lose his body and gave him the smoke appearance, but I don’t know how. Jacob created those rules and one of them is that MIB can’t reveal their true motives. That’s why MIB seems to be more sincere than Jacob, but he is unable to say why he does the things he does.

I’m not sure as this is exactly what happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised as something like that was true and neither Jacob nor MIB are completely good or evil. I get the feeling most of the time that MIB is a victim and he is so desperate to be free that he doesn’t mind killing or taking whatever action is needed to leave the island, his brother Jacob and his smoke form behind.

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The key to the series was Season Five’s 16th episode, The Incident. This is how the show is going to end. Just like MIB can be numerous people (MIB, Locke, etc.) so can Jacob. So at the end of the series, I am unsure of how they will exactly get there, it is going to be new Jacob portrayed as Jack and new MIB portrayed as Locke. The two will be sitting on the beach just like in the episode, The Incident, and a new boat, plane, train or taxi filled with new people will be on their way to the island to start the process all over again.

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Written 15th April

So in the last episode the boy, who most people think is a young jacob, has clearly aged.  I was thinking that maybe Jacob is being reborn.  After he died, he was born again and began to age quickly.  Maybe this is why flocke is rushing to get off the island – because once jacob has reached his old self the smoke monster will not be able to leave.

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This special dagger that supposedly can kill the smoke monster and Jacob has a specific set of instructions that come with it. Something along the lines of “you have to kill him before he speaks to you.” Now, if you rewatch the scene where Sayid stabs MIB, he technically didn’t follow directions as the MIB says “Hello Sayid” before he stabs him. The second time we see the dagger, MIB gives it to Richard to kill Jacob, with the exact same directions. Once again the person with the dagger doesn’t follow the directions. Now, if we believe these instructions (that have been repeated twice), then it got me thinking, whoever has not spoken to MIB yet, can still kill him. So who hasn’t spoken to him? So far I have only come up with these people.

Jack, Hurley, Desmond, Ilana, and Frank (If you come up with anymore please let me know)

If the directions are correct, than I believe one of those people will end up killing MIB. One problem with my theory though is I’m not sure if speaking to the MIB counts if he is in someone else form, for example Christian Shephard. A question I had that I’m hoping someone could answer is when Ben killed Jacob, was the weapon he used the same dagger?

To go a little farther on my theory, there’s something I’d like to point out. We all know Frank was supposed to pilot 815 but he overslept that day. Now think back to season 1. Who is the first person who died on the island? (I’m not talking about the guy who got sucked into the planes engine, or the cop who came with Kate) The person I’m talking about is the pilot. That was supposed to be Frank who died, but instead, he wound up on the island alive. There would be no reason to keep a character like him around unless there’s something more to it. This leads me to believe that Frank has a greater purpose, something important to do…like kill the MIB with the dagger.

Now I know there is no way the writers would ever make it so Frank ends up killing the MIB, but I was just hoping to put some stuff out there, on some things I feel havn’t been discussed enough yet and see what comes back. This is my first post on this site just for the record, hope you enjoy.

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The Island itself is a referee. It is sentient in some way, and playing out a game.

It could also be possible it is a machine carrying out it’s programming, or a consciousness sealed inside the exotic material. It’s really too early to tell. The point I am making here is that the island is actually in control of everything. Jacob and MIB are cogs in the wheel. Not the real powers at all. I think it’s very likely that the island exists in superposition. It is a nexus for all realities. From the island one can see all potentials. This thought was solidified for me when we saw the lighthouse. Perhaps the lighthouse was looking at many realities? Not just one?

The Island has these “special” properties which have been referred to as “exotic material”, and “electromagnetic pockets of energy”. This energy/material could be many things. I’ve always thought it was from a meteor that crahes/crashed on the island then was found by man and manipulated. It could also be the island is from the future where technology has advanced far enough that even we the viewers perceive it as godly and supernatural. Then the island goes back in time and encounters several time periods. All the while collecting the many ruins/artifacts in praise as some god or heaven/hell. Who knows.

Regardless, somehow these properties are being manipulated by someone to try and avoid a cataclysmic event that has yet to happen in the show. Proof of this I believe is in Jacob’s line:

“It only ends once, everything leading up to that is just progress”

He obviously knows something is going to happen, and is working towards fixing it. Somehow fixing it involves proving to MIB that humans are worthy. This brings me to Jacob/MIB and their realtionship.

I do not think either is good or evil. I believe they are of opposing perspectives. Jacob has hope and faith. MIB is hopeless and faithless. The one key thing that people seem to have forgotten about MIB is that he has pretty clearly been shown as a judge/jury/executioner. I do not believe that everything MIB has done on the show is evil. If he is just evil incarnate why would be scanning peoples memories?

My guess is that he is just as important as Jacob on the Island. Jacobs role is to bring people to the island and show the judge that they are worth saving. MIB’s job is to judge and execute those that aren’t worthy. If however, MIB is fed up and no longer believes it is possible to save humanity. His leaving the island could mean he judges everyone at that instant, and executes them all.

Could this be the cataclysm Jacob is trying to prevent? It seems more and more likely to me.

Now, how would MIB destroy everyone? How was he once a man, yet now smoke and without a body? I don’t buy into this show being about gods or deities at all. If MIB came in contact with the island as man and we have no idea what the island is. Is it not possible that the island made him what he now is? Exotic material can probably do exotic things to a man!

It seems to me that MIB is linked to the energies under the island. He also travels under the island, rips trees down, and makes machine sounds. So could it not be that MIB was made into this form by the islands intelligence. To serve it as judge? Just as it makes Jacob serve it? I am thinking that MIB might create a paradox if he leaves. He is not actually going to fly around the world and destroy everything. He is literally not able to leave the island without destroying everything. I think when Whitmore says to Jin “Everyone will cease to exist” it kind of reveals this. He will cause the undoing of reality should he leave the island.

Perhaps being made the judge dislodges you from all realities and you exist in superposition like the island? So returning to a normal reality would rip everything apart. MIB doesn’t belong anywhere, but on the island.

One final thought I have to wedge in here is about what Eloise said to Desmond. She tells him that what he is doing is a “violation” in the LAX world. That sounds like she is talking about some unknown rules. We have heard of these rules time and time again. Where do they come from? Jacob must abide by them, as must MIB. So what does that leave? The Island!!!

I can’t shake this feeling that The Island is in control of everything. Almost like The Island is running a program to stop things from ending.

It’s freaking alive or something!

My buddy calls it the Ref. I like that name for now.

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I cant shake this question, where is MIBS home? Perhaps, their is no home. Perhaps, thats a con to coax more followers or to infect more. The people from the temple for example, their leader is dead, so why stay on the island. MIB claims there is plenty of room on the plane for everybody. Of course, Claire and Kate want to go home for Aaron. Sawyer, wanted to go home from the begining but had to jump off the helocopter, so that the rest of the survivers could make it off, mainly Kate IMO.

Bottom line, what I am trying to say is that MIB may not actually have a home. Instead he wants off the island simply just to infect the world. Perhaps, he has been bound to the island for many, many years, preventing him from spreading this infection.

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