I’m not sure how some of you made it this far into the series, seeing that this is a more intellectual show. There have been numerous post about how Jacob’s Mother was definitely Smokey because of her attitude and ability to fill in a well and take out an entire camp of people.

Lets put on our thinking caps.

1) Smokey doesn’t bleed. Jacob’s Mom bleeds when she is stabbed.

2) We have seen Smokey summoned by someone as simple as Benjamin Linus. So what makes us all think it’s impossible for Jacob’s Mother, who seems to be somewhat special, to summon Smokey. If anyone can do it, it would definitely be her.

3)Jacob’s Mother’s skeleton is in the cave. Once again, Smokey replicates a body, doesn’t take over a body. So if it was stabbed and killed, their would be no skeleton in a cave still. Some people have theorized that she was faking. Not possible. You can’t fake your own rotting decomposing body in a cave.

I’m sure there is more obvious proof. But this is all I can think of right now. I’m just tired of reading the same theory over and over that makes no sense. Some of the theories I read are so well thought out, and I’m digging it, up until the point where they say Smokey was Jacob’s Mom. It is possible though, that maybe the Smoke Monster had recruited her somehow, and helped her out at the scene.

Sorry if I seem like I’m attacking anyone, I just feel like we can do better. Either way, Lost consumes my ability to think about the real world. And I’m thankful for the hundreds of hours I’ve wasted at work reading all of your theories. Thank You, and Namaste!

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The Devil betrayed me and stole my body, my humanity… explained MIB to a bewildered Richard Alpert about “the Devil” (that we know as Jacob).

We know that MIB is now appearing/using the identity and bodily form of John Locke, even though there is a dead body of John Locke buried on the island.

We know that MIB also takes the form of Smokey. We have seen Smokey make appearances as other people such as Alex and Yemi.

We know that the reason Ilana dragged around the coffin containing Locke’s dead body at first was because she wanted people to see who they were up against given that FLocke/MIB can no longer take on any other appearance. (It seems like we should get back to the meaning(s) of this statement before the show’s end. It feels kind of like a “rule” of sorts.)

I just can’t shake the idea that MIB was something like the first candidate, and he made some sort of deal with Jacob (maybe not necessarily the Jacob that we know) similar to the deal between Jacob and Richard. If that is the case, it would seem possible that somewhere along the line Jacob has done to MIB what MIB has done to John Locke.

If this was easy to figure out or explain, I don’t think I would bring it up, as usually only the writers can make anything make sense…usually. Since I can’t understand it and readily acknowledge that there are a couple of significant pieces missing (how/why/then what is Jacob?), it makes it that much more intriguing as an actual theory.

I’m sure we could look past this line as another manipulation, given that MIB’s instruction to Richard on how to kill the Devil were exactly the same as Dogen’s instructions to Sayid. Yet I think the writers added this line about how there is a “stolen body and humanity” situation in the middle of these other familiar statements (to us viewers) to be purposeful.

Ultimately we know that MIB has been the one using different forms and appearing as various people, but the fact that MIB revealed that his body was stolen and points it back to Jacob seems pretty important.

(Wish I could have posted this sooner after Ab Aeterno…oh well. It still seems relevant in the long run somehow.)

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Hello everyone,

Sorry if this has been brought up before but I have a quick (but most pressing) question. In the most recent episode about Richard, we see his dead wife Isabella come to Richard while he is still trapped in chains on the Black Rock. Isabella tells him they are both in hell and that the Devil is coming. While we see Isabella talking to Richard, we hear Smokey’s noises in the background indicating he is coming (the horn, cricket noises, whatever-you-call-them).

Now generally, I thought Smokey could look like anyone who is deceased. But I also thought that MiB can only take one form at a time. For example, we have never seen UnLocke and Smokey appear on screen simultaneously. We also didn’t see Alex or UnLocke appear simultaneously. We also did not see Christian and UnLocke appear simultaneously…you get my point! One form at a time!

So, if this is true and MiB can either show up as Smokey OR a dead person, then how do we hear Smokey coming when Richard is talking to Isabella on the Black Rock..???? That would have to mean either MiB can take two forms at once (which we haven’t seen before – correct me if I am wrong), Isabella is alive (but we saw her die at Richard’s home), OR someone else who is on the island can take the form of dead people besides MiB…

Now seeing as how we sort of saw Smokey devour Isabella, I want to say Smokey and Isabella were two different entities. Otherwise, it is rather theatrical if Smokey pretended to be Isabella and ate himself (I hope that makes sense…)

What do you guys think? Jacob said (how much can we trust what he says) that “That wasn’t your wife”…so that means it was probably MiB in Isabella’s form..but if it were, how is it possible that MiB was in both Smokey form and Isabella form at the SAME TIME???

Lastly, maybe the fact that Isabella’s spirit is on the island talking to Hurley means she REALLY died on the island…? Maybe Jacob brought her back from her disease-induced death in his magic pool in the temple and then that’s why we saw Smokey eating her on screen. But if that were the case, Jacob wouldn’t have seemed so surprised to see Richard or hear about his wife…and their general conversation doesn’t fit unless Jacob was “playing dumb”.

Discuss guys =)

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I didn’t have enough info to really throw down a Jacob/MIB prediction at the beginning of the season and still really dont and it usually not like me to follow the crowd but a general consensus has always been that the two are brothers, I think this as well, kind of, maybe like half brothers and Jacob was the youngest, their mother dies when they are young trying to save Jacob and that leaves Jacob’s father to raise them both. Jacob’s father resents MIB because he is not his genetic offspring. MIB resents Jacob becuase he blames him for their mother death. Later on Jacob is chosen as the first candiate and all the powers that go with it are imbued in him. While he is still getting the hang of it he accidentally touches MIB. MIB being the first that touches Jacob for one reason or another gets almost all the same powers that Jacob has but also his gift is to be able to take on the form of the dead (perhaps from all his mourning over his mother, to know what her last thoughts were, missing her, wanting to see her just one last time, etc.). In order to be able to that it had to be able to a transitional form (ie Smokie which was laying dormant underneath the island for however long waiting on a “candidate” of it’s own.
Feel free to rip my post to shreds.

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Written 10th March

John Locke has always and knowingly or mostly knowingly been in league with smokey. From season one he looked into the face or eye of the “island” and what he saw was “beautiful”. He did this while explaining to Jack his encounter with smokey. His reaction to the death of Boon was what introduced the hatch and his “why” question posed in relation to Boons death at the “island” or smokey’s hands was answered. At every turn he was pushed not by Jacob, but by smokey to do things that increasingly made him fall opposite of Jack and towards the end of the last few seasons have been down right questionable.

In the first and second season Locke has more encounters with the monster than just about any other character. He was the only character that stared into the face of the beast and lived, at least until season four. He believed, or was lead to believe that it was the guardian of the island. He saw it as what Jacob, according to smokey, was supposed to be for the Island. Smokey also tried to direct Jack by pushing them to the caves. Christian appeared moments after the monsters sounds were approacing Jack on Day 6 so I have little doubt that smokey was playing the field to corrupt or push the losties and the others the entire time. This is another theory but the only one of the two powers that has appeared as someone else is smokey to date, Jacob is always Jacob. The whole first season the black smoke was mostly bark and no bite on purpose. All it did was drive the losties and coax them to do different things. At the end it grabbed locke and even though lock was shocked at its seeming hostility he begins to have faith, not in jacob, but in smokey and the Island. He says “it’s ok” to smokey and from that time on was driven by smokey’s guidance. He even drugged boone when he was thinking about telling someone else about the monster.  During this time he built a cradle for Aaron a seemingly odd gesture being that he was expressing focus towards what the “island” had him doing at the time.

Locke is later guided to the plane and he began pushing the button through faith. This same season He had reason then because of Charlie? to become a father figure for claire, a move i don’t think we completely understand until now. He also told Paulo during this same episode that his diamonds wouldn’t stay buried for long. I think smokey was giving John the dreams as his mother, dead, and Boone, soon to die, appeared and showed him the Plane and eventually the pearl.

Lockes interaction and faith journey with Eko feels the same as what those who are introduced and listen to smokey now are going through. Someone else must die and they must “clean up their own mess”. Ben had to “atone” for the death of his daughter to whom there was no guarantee of survival whether he gave himself up or not. I do remember the team killing several innocent and non-hostile people and kearny in this timeline or a side one is not a good guy.  Smokey used the death of boone and later of Eko as guideposts and guilt anchors on John who blamed himself, as ben blamed himself for alex, for boones death.  John reaches the swan and despite everything else at the station is riveted by the chess game to the exclusion of most else there, as if he had a purpose. I believe he was guided by smokey here as well. His blatent deception bringing C4 to the others camp says only one thing and that was that he knew what he wanted to do. His actions from the flame forward were purposed and driven despite Bens attempt to manipulate him.

Ben also because of his lust for control, took guidance more from smokey than Jacob. We noticed the ash line broken 2x, the first when Locke visits and the second when Ilana tells us that Jacob hasn’t lived there for a long time. I believe Locke knew it wasn’t jacob but smokey there and then began manipulating ben along the lines of smokey. I think it’s important to note that now the MIB can’t kill or invade until someone opens the door: Dogen killed by Sayid, Ben had to kill Jacob, and I think Locke opened the door, or perhaps widmore or ben did earlier in time. This style of killing was first introduced as an MO in this series by Locke when he had to kill his father, but he needed sawyer to make it happen. As with most terrorist plans this was smokeys test run to see if what he had been developing in Locke came to fruition and he would be able to manipulate someone to make the loophole work.

Long story short, ben and John follow smokeys instructions on moving the island and even getting a dead but wholly converted locke back to the Island. Smokey had already won John by faith and actions that were brutal and cunning. John has been guided by smokey from day one whether it was Christian, or a fight between jacob and smokey-poltergeist in the cabin-.

So, if smokey has been guiding locke from day 2 and attempting to guide the actions of the others, other losties, and survivors what does it tell us? well I think this means Locke is gone for good, that part of him was there when he killed Jacob and he knew exactly what he was doing. That he sympathizes with smokey even as a man as someone being told by Jacob of something he cannot do.  He also thinks he has most if not all the cards. 

Smokey can’t directly kill anyone touched by Jacob, and that included Locke, Dogen and Sawyer which is why the child said smokey couldn’t kill him. Smokey also has to “follow the rules” the punishment for which has to be some fate worse than the “improsonment on the island” that he refers to. I believe smokey is the angel of death looking for free-reign again on earth. I also believe that despite his skepticism of humanity, or arrogance considering the deals he offers and expects people to take, he knows that this final end that Jacob talks of is coming and the key to his freedom. I think that Ben killing John was a play that smokey knew would happen and he wanted Johns cooperation even in death. Whidmore told john the wrong side would win if he did not return when John Locke was still alive which makes me certain W is on his own team. He wants the Island for himself. I believe he took the deal that Smokey offered ben. He broke rules and knew he would be exiled but wanted both the power of the island and the freedom and power it grants in the world. That is probably how he made his money and if Jacob has candidates I’m betting that Smokey has to have them too.

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My opinions on what the alt is have been changing recently, especially after the last episode.
I know this isn’t an original idea, but something about the last episode struck me.

In the flash sideways we saw Ben discussing the principals incompetency with Arzt, when Ben suddenly gets the idea to take the principals job. I say suddenly, he actually gets the idea from who else but old Locke who interrupts their convo, and says, “maybe its time for a change”.
As we saw later, Ben made the right choice which involved not overthrowing the principal, but i just thought it was odd that it was Locke who put the idea in his head.

I don’t know how exactly, but could it be possible that some of the character interactions we are seeing are not who/what we think they are? Could MIB be manipulating people in the outside world in the alt?
Some people mentioned Helens black nail polish in Lockes flash sideways, and i never really noticed, but maybe its a hint.
I’m starting to get a vague notion that the ‘alt’ has alot more to do with MIB than it appears, and may not not be all that real. I’m even getting the feeling that the flash sideways we are seeing are actually seperate from eachother, like a synthesized reality for each character, thats being controlled by MIB.
Like you, i also have no idea what i’m talking about, and i agree this doesn’t really make sense, but please don’t hit me. I just wanted to see what peoples opinions are now on MIBs involvement (if any), with the Alt timeline. I guess we’ll find out very soon, 9 episodes to go!

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The relationship of Jacob and Smokey and the rules that apply to them is reminiscent of a line from the movie Constantine where Constantine says:

What if I told you that God and the Devil made a wager for the souls of all mankind? No direct contact — just influence…see who would win.”

Does this seem like a plausible explanation for their relationship?  They may not be God and the Devil, but perhaps they are the God and Devil of the Island.  Or perhaps they have been on the Island for so long that they have taken on the roles of those Archetypes.

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I don’t really know where to start!!

First, did everybody see the Dharma logo on the shark? ^^ AND when we see Dharmaville under water, and the foot, you can also see the ANKH on the side of the statue, that was NOT there in the “old timeline”

Second, the book that hurley found in the bag of the frenchguy who lost his arm was

Șren Kierkegaard РCrainte et tremblement (Fear and trembling)

Wikipedia (sorry)

Șren Kierkegaard РFear and trembling (really relative to the serie ^^)

Third, the Temple, and it’s statues?

TARA

Info about Tara

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The whole “man in black (mib) is the black smoke-monster” thing was kinda predictable thou.. here is a cool thing.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm_(paranormal)

Im woundering more what does MIB stand for? It seems Jakob is “free will” and the MIB is “something” else.. Almost as if they were “Destiny” and “Chance” ? Like life on earth is decided by Destiny at this moment, and has been for a while, but now when MIB is the one left, the “real world” will be decided by Chance.. (maybe refering to their conversation, and how bitter the MIB was on “Humans”)

And does this effect the “real world”, as in when Jacob got killed, the “new time line” is a result of how life would be if MIB ruled the island?

One thing that caught me was the conversation Jack had with Rose and the Stewardess. In Season 1, Jack is the one who says “Don’t worry”, now it’s Rose who says it. And in Season 1, the stewardess gives Jack two bottles, now she gives him one? Is that an important change? Or is it just random changes to show the audience that there’s been a change?

There was kinda cool that desmond was on the plane, but that’s really bothers me, couse WHY would he be on that plane, at that time, he was in the Hatch, pushing the button? Couse if juliet changed everything with the Hydrogen bomb, why are the island on the bottom of the sea? WITH dharmaville houses left? Did the island sink in the 70s? Or did something else (that we don’t know about yet) happen, that made it sink? (remember the flying fire arrows in the time-jumps?)

As Charlie said “I was supposed to die”, is a deep “destiny” thing, couse when Charlie died he maneged to save Desmond, now when Jack helped him, Desmond couldn’t survive, and that why he disapeard in the plane?

The way everybody met in the “new timeline” are events that no person (in that reality) could have seen, Bernard and Rose were seperated during the turbulence in the “new timeline” when he came back they said “iv’e missed you”, just as on the island, but it all happend during a longer time. Kate and the marshall, she hit him on the left side of the face, JUST as the case hited him when the plane crashed! Also Kate & Sawyer had a attractive force, without knowing what they “may” have went through, if they crashed. Same with Boone and Locke, Boone said “i will hang with you if the plane crash”, and they did in the timeline where the plane crashed, the same with Frogurt and Artz, they were the same caracters in “real life” as on the Island (annoying). Jack and Desmond had a feeling they’ve met (at the stadium, when jack twisted his ankle), and the conversation went JUST as on the island, Desmond said “brotha” and Jack had a deja vu.  Locke and Jack even had a attractive force, and their objects they were missing are very important (or somehow repeating subjects through the serie) Locks knives, the knives who he choosed wrong when Alpert visited him as a kid, the knifes that Locked killed boars with, (and Naomi ^^) Knifes and Locke are one!

Jack and his Dad, the coffin, are also a very important subject to the serie, as we could see “Christian” (or smokey) guide the Losties through their way theyv’e ended up now. The fact that Jacks dad is missing makes me think that all the Losties in the new timeline can’t escape their destiny, they all are gonna feel that something is wrong sooner or later! (charlie is going to die, nomatter what he does). Jack may be finding his dad alive (couse everythings changed), or he’s getting eager to “fix” this with his dad, and founds something he did in the “alternative life” (what we’ve seen throug season 1-5), that made an effect on the “new time line”. And he will realize he had a “alternative life”

..well, Nuff said about the “New timeline”

The temple, i was relly lifted to see that, still don’t get it all, why the stewardess is there, and the children, couse from the beginning they were on Jacobs list, they got kidnaped in season 2 and we didn’t now to where, now we got the answer, but why? What does they have that the temple people have? Why does they fit in their community? And where do they come from? Why does he speak Japanese? Are they the people from the black rock?

And finally, Flocke says something about Alperts chains, i don’t think it’s a metaphore, maybe it has something to do with the slaves at the black rock? Some one gave him eternal life without ageing? Maybe it’s over now when Jacob is dead? Ben said that Alpert is some kind of Adviser of the island, i think Jacob, MIB and Alpert are somehow connected, those three are the “owners” of the island in some how?

Iv’e tried to be brief, hehe

/N-D Sweden

Don’t forget the vendetta between Ben & Widmore, The numbers, Walt’s role in this?, How the statue falled and don’t forget what the prophet said about Aaron, and how he had to be raised! ^^

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Written 3rd February

Locke dies in Universe 1, stays alive in Universe 2 … smokey “enters” him. Locke = loophole (smokey said it), then inconsistencies between universes (people alive in one, dead in other) = loopholes. Sayid dead in one universe and alive in other = loophole. But is it smokey (trojan horse) or is it Jacob (good guy’s return) that will enter him?

Why didn’t previous dead losties become loopholes? Maybe because their bodies were not fit (healthy) for smokey (or Jacob) to enter them, hence the need to “cure” Sayid’s body before entering it, or maybe because it would be no use entering the body of someone that was not a leader before (locke had become an important figure, making him a good “incarnation” platform for smokey)

Also, dead (or near death) people seem to be able to travel (or project their images and consciousness) to the other universe. Charlie, for instance.

When about to die, Juliet seems to wander a bit, loose her self awareness and maybe have a glimpse of the other universe … and then comes back to tell Sawyer “it worked” … in reference to seening him off the island in the other universe.

If this is right, since we saw sawyer alone (without Juliet) in universe 2, it might be that he will meet Juliet eventually in that universe, and she will tell him “we could get coffee sometime”. This would also mean that there is an offset in time between the two storylines. No brainer … since the events in the island are now 3-4 years ahead of the plane crash time.

Brotha seems to always have had “in between universes travel” capabilities. He remembers Farady in the future even though Faraday thought he wouldn’t (hatch in the past thing). He could project his mind to other moments in time … or was it to other universes offset in time?

And that brings me to the final part of this thinking line: I think there are numerous parallel universes. And maybe there has never actually been time travel in the show … maybe it was travel between differently offset in time universes. Well this part is too far a stretch for now.

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Written 3rd February

I don’t really know where to start!!

The whole “man in black (mib) is the black smoke-monster” thing was kinda predictable thou.. here is a cool thing.. MIB/Smokey ?

Im woundering more what does MIB stand for? It seems Jakob is “free will” and the MIB is “something” else.. Almost as if they were “Destiny” and “Chance” ? Like life on earth is decided by Destiny at this moment, and has been for a while, but now when MIB is the one left, the “real world” will be decided by Chance.. (maybe refering to their conversation, and how bitter the MIB was on “Humans”)

And does this effect the “real world“, as in when Jacob got killed, the “new time line” is a result of how life would be if MIB ruled the island?

One thing that caught me was the conversation Jack had with Rose and the Stewardess. In Season 1, Jack is the one who says “Don’t worry“, now it’s Rose who says it. And in Season 1, the stewardess gives Jack two bottles, now she gives him one? Is that an important change? Or is it just random changes to show the audience that there’s been a change?

There was kinda cool that desmond was on the plane, but that’s really bothers me, couse WHY would he be on that plane, at that time, he was in the Hatch, pushing the button? Couse if juliet changed everything with the Hydrogen bomb, why are the island on the bottom of the sea? WITH dharmaville houses left? Did the island sink in the 70s? Or did something else (that we don’t know about yet) happen, that made it sink? (remember the flying fire arrows in the time-jumps?)

As Charlie said “Iv’e should have died“, is a deep “destiny” thing, couse when Charlie died he maneged to save Desmond, now when Jack helped him, Desmond couldn’t survive, and that why he disapeard in the plane?

The way everybody met in the “new timeline” are events that no person (in that reality) could have seen, Kate & Sawyer had a attractive force, without knowing what they “may” have went through, if they crashed. The same with Frogurt and Artz, they were the same caracters in “real life” as on the Island. Locke and Jack even had a attractive force, and their objects they were missing are very important (or somehow repeating subjects through the serie) Locks knives, the knives who he choosed wrong when Alpert visited him as a kid, the knifes that Locked killed boars with, (and Naomi ^^) Knifes and Locke are one!

Jack and his Dad, the coffin, are also a very important subject to the serie, as we could see “Christian” (or smokey) guide the Losties through their way theyv’e ended up now. The fact that Jacks dad is missing makes me think that all the Losties in the new timeline can’t escape their destiny, they all are gonna feel that something is wrong sooner or later! (charlie is going to die, nomatter what he does). Jack may be finding his dad alive (couse everythings changed), or he’s getting eager to “fix” this with his dad, and founds something he did in the “alternative life” (what we’ve seen throug season 1-5), that made an effect on the “new time line“. And he will realize he had a “alternative life”

..well, Nuff said about the “New timeline”

The temple, i was relly lifted to see that, still don’t get it all, why the stewardess is there, and the children, couse from the beginning they were on Jacobs list, they got kidnaped in season 2 and we didn’t now to where, now we got the answer, but why? What does they have that the temple people have? Why does they fit in their community?  And where do they come from? Why does he speak Japanese? Are they the people from the black rock?

And finally, Flocke says something about Alperts chains, i don’t think it’s a metaphore, maybe it has something to do with the slaves at the black rock? Some one gave him eternal life without ageing? Maybe it’s over now when Jacob is dead? Ben said that Alpert is some kind of Adviser of the island, i think Jacob, MIB and Alpert are somehow connected, those three are the “owners” of the island in some how?

Iv’e tried to be brief, hehe

/N-D Sweden

Don’t forget the vendetta between Ben & Widmore, the numbers, how the statue falled and don’t forget what the prophet said about Aaron, and how he had to be raised! ^^

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This has probably been brought up previously but would be interesting to discuss in the new light of season 5. Theres a scene where theyre hunting boar and locke goes off on his own, he’s confronted by Smokie and returns seemingly unscathed.

Could an alliance have been formed this early or could smokey be appearing as Locke this early on, he mentions later in the episode that h looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful and he also turns up to save jack pretty miraculously after jack is chasing Christian, seems pretty suspicious ??

i’m pretty sure theres another meeting of the two later that will disprove my thoughts but it seems that this scene must be pretty key, wonder if we’ll see what actually happened come season 6

any thoughts?

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I just finished S1 and noticed something very interesting about smokey.

When Locke runs into smokey for the first time. There is a very clear look on his face. Once of wonder and awe. That is the shot where we see locke from smokey’s perspsective. Later in another season Locke refers to this meeting as seeing “White Light”. Not black smoke. He also says in S1 that he has looked into the eye of the island and it was beautifull. I don’t think he is talking about black smoke. Not really beautifull now is it?

At the end of S1 as they are returning to the hatch with dynamite. They are attacked by smokey. Jack and Kate see a tiny wisp fly by. Not a HUGE cloud of smoke. Which I think is important. So at this point everyone runs, everyone but Locke. Locke starts walking towards the sounds. Most likely because he has allready seen it and is not afraid. This time however, when Locke’s sees it, his expression is very different. He is afraid and scared. Then it grabs him and drags him to the hole.

So my observation, or theory is this.

There is more than one of them. Possibly 1 White, 1 Black. Possibly a lot more than that. Jacob and MIB perhaps are both the same thing? A security system? Parts of a singular system but with different objectives or programming?

I just get the feeling we’ve been tricked into thinking that Smokey is singular. When in fact it is many.. or at least two.

Thoughts?

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While watching the finale for the sixth time now (don’t laugh) I stumbled across something most of you may have already noticed.
We all know that something took the form of Alex to instruct Ben to follow all of John Locke’s orders. Assuming it is the black smoke who did this, then it is impossible for it to also be Locke. If it is able to take form, I don’t see how it could be both at the same time. So I believe that Smokey is it’s own entity, and the fake Locke is another. Not one of the same. Although it would make sense for the Man In Black (MIB) to manipulate Smokey. Smokey seems to scan peoples thoughts/memories. MIB in Locke’s body, also has Locke’s memories. Possibly because Locke was scanned by Smokey in the past. Smokey somehow passes this information on to MIB.

Please add to this any way possible. Thanks!

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Written on 14th May 2009

For 9 months we need a name for Jacob’s dark haired friend\enemy\murder guy so i’m going to coining the phrase Anti-Jacob

Now Let me paint a picture for you.

We know two things for certain,

1. The Anti-Jacob possessed and took Locke’s and probably Christian’s form
2. The Smoke Monster took Yemi (Mr. Eko’s brother) and Alex’s form and maybe even Montond and Rousseau’s crew form. (What appeared to be the sickness to Rousseau probably was the fact that smokey killed them, then took her crew’s form. Just like we thought something was strange about Locke)

So I’m proposing that Ole Smokey and the Anti-Jacob is one in the same. And that’s what “Smokey Alex” told ben to obey “Smokey\Anit-Jacob Locke.”

Now here is my proof and rational.

What if the truce between the Hostile Others and the Dharma Initiative where they have to buried the bodies is to keep the Anti-Jacob for stealing their thoughts and from.
The Smoke Monster can only take the form of the dead and unburied inhabititants of the island, (i.e. Christian, Yemi, Rousseau’s Crew, Alex, and Locke) and Widmore knows this little piece of island lore. That is why Keamy buried Rousseau and Carl in a shallow grave. It’s the Others why of trumping the Anti-Jacob.

But why bury them?

Maybe if the bodies are buried then the Anti-Jacob can’t take their form. (that’s all i really got on that idea)

Did you notice that jacob made it a point to touch everybody in the flashbacks? Maybe Jacob has some sort of similar power to the Anti-Jacob where he can influence people by touch. Like touch mind controll type stuff. (see the chick form the Wolverine movie) All it takes is just a small touch on the nose or shoulder

Another thought is how come Jacob gives everybody choices and the Anti-Jacob tells everybody what to do? I want to draw a comparison to Christ and the Anti-Christ(Satan).
C.S. lewis referrers to Satan in the Screwtape letters as The Great Trickster. Which is unlike a God of love that would send his son to die for the sins of humanity… Just a thought.

Anti-Jacob can’t kill Jacob, he had to trick somebody else into doing it.

I think that Anti-Jacob is wrong. I bet that Jacob can’t get killed in general but he just thought that he couldn’t do it. I Jacob is like a super human diety type then why wouldn’t he try to fight Ben back. It appears that ether he wanted to die or wanted to fool the Anti-Jacob.

Just some food for thought.

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Aaron

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Written on 14th May 2009

So right now you’re probably begging to know more about Jacob’s enemy? Why is he so eager to kill Jacob? Was that him in the form of Locke? All your questions surrounding him shall be answered here, brace yourself..what you are about to read may be considered a spoiler:

Jacob’s enemy (the man in the very first scene) is the smoke monster (smokie).

My thought is that he orchestrated most (if not all) of what has happened to every person since the Black Rock. He has conned his way into the minds of every person on the island in one way or another. Take Locke for instance, Locke encountered “smokie” early in season one and said that he had “seen the eye of the island, and it was beautiful” giving him a purpose to do what was necessary to save it, which eventually led to his death. Not excluding, though, the fact that over this period of time, he had become the leader of the Others, which forced Richard to believe/trust in him. So when Locke dies and his body is brought back to the island, “smokie” could then take on the appearance of Locke.

Another example is Jack, “smokie” appeared to him as Christian early in the first season which led him to become the leader of the survivors and made him obsessed with leaving the island, which had to happen in order for Locke to have a reason to leave the island and eventually be murdered by Ben.

So what I am trying to get at? Simple – Jacob’s enemy is the smoke monster and he is able to take on the form of anyone who died on the island. This is why when he met Jacob he stated how difficult it was for him to get to where he was. Taking on all those forms and give those people, Jack, Locke, etc a sense of purpose was not easy by any means.

**It’s interesting to note though that the dead people Hurley outside the Island (such as Ana-Lucia) may not be manifestations of smokie. They are most likely genuine apparitions of their former self.**

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What if a person has to die and be resurrected in order to lead the others? What if Sayid shooting Ben (and Jack refusing to save Ben) actually is the reason that Ben becomes the leader of the others? I always assumed that Ben’s role in the Purge was the bargaining chip with Richard that made him the leader. But what if that’s just when Ben stepped into the role as leader? His worthiness to lead is because the island has ‘saved’ him, or because he has now sold his soul to the island for his life (which interestingly enough is not even a decision he makes but one that Kate makes for him!).

Sidenote: It’s interesting that Jack says that he’s come back on the island to do something, but what it is he doesn’t know yet. Maybe one of the things he was supposed to do was save Ben, which would have changed history. Maybe Jack’s stubbornness has messed things up royally once again!

During one of the flashes of the Losties, Locke talks to Richard. Richard tells him that he’s going to have to die, and the context seems to be in order to set things right again and save his friends’ What if Richard’s main point was ‘if you want to be our leader, you’re going to have to die, and then I’ll take care of the rest.’

We know that the hostiles/others built the landing strip; they were expecting the return of Locke. When we first see Locke alive again, he doesn’t know how he got there. He has no short-term memory, which fits in with what Richard told Sawyer and Kate about Ben’s memory if he saves him. What if Richard drags Locke’s dead body off the plane and to the temple to resurrect him? We know that Smokey likes to take lives, but what if in the temple Smokey also restores lives? The only flaw in this is that they didn’t land on the main island, where the temple and Smokey are. Kind of a big flaw, I guess.

Whatever the case may be, it seems obvious that the rules of life and death are different on the island. And something also went terribly wrong at some point, which is why women impregnated on the island cannot give birth to new lives. But I suppose that would be a whole other theory.

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