What if “Flocke” is really Locke not MIB
Here’s something interesting to chew on…
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Has it crossed anyone’s mind that the Locke we see at the end – the one that convinces Ben to kill Jacob is actually still the Locke that we all know and love (or hate)? But rather than the old Locke, its Locke reborn as “Super” Locke.Â
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Bare with me here, I’m not trying to be cute or anything… but just maybe, could it be possible that when a dead body is on the island (whether its brought there – Shepard, Locke, or dies there – any number of the characters), that the dead body must be disposed of in a specific way or else the island awakens the dead body, and infuses its knowledge into that individual…Â If the person dies again, the island does the same thing, each time making the person stronger and more in tune with the Island – maybe the key to using this power infused by the Island is to have faith that the Island will heal.Â
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Here are a couple of thoughts in regards to this…
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1. I forget which “Other” it was exactly, it may have been the dude that Juliet shot (or maybe his wife – the one Sun shot…) either way, didn’t the Other’s seem like they were following some specific rules as to how to bury the body, and set up some ritual where they send the burning body off towards the open water on a “death barge” (for the lack of a better name…).
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2. Didn’t Richard want to know where the two hostiles were buried and as well, he specifically requested Paul’s body back in the “Lefleur episode.
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I mean thinking out of “the box” for a moment, and knowing how coy the writer’s are on this show, could it be possible that they are intentionally leading “us” the viewers, down this path of belief that Locke (now commonly known as “Flocke”) is really the MIB from the beginning scene of the Incident. Â Doesn’t that seem a bit to simple and convenient?
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If I’m not mistaken haven’t the past 4 Season’s ended with everyone thinking Locke was dead (exception being Season 3 but the episode prior to the end had him left in a pit close to death or maybe he did die), yet they always come back the next Season with a twist at the beginning, and we all collectively “sigh” and say, “okay…”
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To further Locke… He dies on the original plan crash (like everybody else) but yet he awakes and is no longer paralyzed… if you rewatch the first Season in the beginning, Locke seems to be so in tune with the Island and yet eventually loses faith again… he’s unable to walk at one point and things start happening to him (the lockdown door slams on his leg, etc.)… ultimately the hatch blows and when Locke regains consciousness or rather comes back to life, he regains faith. He’s then shot by Ben and left for dead… what if he did die? He comes back from that and has this overwhelming urge to protect the Island and shoots Naomi without regard… He dies off the Island in Season 5 and comes back alive stronger than ever and extremely in tune with the Island. The difference being that now we have a second body — not sure of this one yet, I haven’t figured it all out but maybe it has to do with dying off the Island… maybe we’ll see Christian Sheppard’s body double this upcoming Season…
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Final thought… what if all the main characters have already died (a few times over) on the show, and we are just not privy to how or who has awakened them? And yet each time they come back to life, they gain more knowledge of the island and slowly become one with the island?
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The writer’s have said from day one that the Island is as much a character as the character’s. Has anyone given any consideration to the fact that we all just take for granted that the plane crashes as it did – splint up in mid-air and it just so happens that the majority of the people on it survive?!! Or Desmond turns a key in the hatch and it implodes with Locke & Eco inside and yet, they are all perfectly fine (well maybe not Eco)! But then again, didn’t each one of them gain more faith and knowledge (or so it seemed).
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If we all fully believe that Juliet set off the bomb, and that the Losties will come back in whatever time period they come back to, could it be possible that they really do die as Richard says he saw them do so, and yet somehow by setting off the bomb they cause the island to Flash again before they are properly buried. This time when they awake (from death) they are one step closer to being “one with the island” and have caught up to Locke and the many times he’s died on the island?
Ardent Knight, some plausible thoughts here, although I don’t agree with everything you have mentioned.
In terms of Locke, we have not been provided with the ‘how and the ‘why’ there are two Lockes yet.
One is dead and the other Locke is presumed to be Nemesis, but we have not been provided with how Nemesis was able to duplicate Locke’s body. It’s especially hard to believe when you see a dead Locke in the box rolled out onto the beach.
It is possible as some seem to believe that the smoke monster is responsible for taking Locke’s form, but I suspect it is something deeper than this.
The emphasis made by Locke throughout the show is hard to ignore. The repeated references to black and white. The two different coloured eyes, etc. The ‘duality’ theme has been highlighted all along.
I think it is plausible that there just might be two Lockes. Hard to wrap ones brain around it at present, but it’s hardly not out of the realm of Lost.
Ok. One Locke is dead. The other not. Most people are figuring “New Locke” is “Flocke” who manipulates real Lock to die by telling himself to so that MiB can take his place. But there are 2 of them. So, how about this…
Locke is told he has to die by Richard who is told by his future self (who people think is Flocke but isn’t), who in turn was told by Christian “You have to die, that’s why it’s called sacrifice”, etc.
Whoever Christian is or represents, what if part of the reasons why John had to die was to be a catalyst to bring everyone back, but the other big part was that you couldn’t have 2 versions of him roaming the island. Besides the fact that would end up WAY too much like a cheesy Star Trek TOS episode with Shatner v. Shatner, they (people playing “the game”) were better off with the “New & Improved” Locke 2.0 who has been spun off of the new timeline created with Ajira’s sending the Losties back to the 70s. (See my theory for clarification on that bit.)
I agree and disagree with bits of this. I completely agree that Flocke is just Locke, but I’m not sure about the better versions of dead people, I feel it’s a bit more fantasy than sci-fi. But you have really made me think, along with Dab’s comment about not having been shown how there are 2 Lockes yet. We have. In the Orchid orientation film, something happens with a casimir effect experiment, something changes in the alternate timeline and poof 2 bunnies in different spots. They’ve shown us that the electromagnetic properties of the island don’t always work the way expected and can result in 2 bunnies or 2 Lockes. The show has also sown us that smokie can appear as a vision of a dead person, I think you a right with the burial bit — Christian, yemi and Alex weren’t buried. BUT we haven’t been shown any case of it becoming the physical embodiment of a person where they can interact and touch stuff for an extended period of time. There is more evidence in the show that Flocke is another Locke (like the 2 bunnies) rather than it being a body snatcher type situation.
It probably is the Casimir Effect that caused two Locke’s to be present on the island (one dead, one walking around)
BUT, What if the reason for two Locke’s being on the island is simple. Flashing Locke did not leave until “FLOCKE” has Richard tell him to do so. Now he may have left in the past but when Richard told Locke he must leave and die, that was the present.
Flashing Locke leaves and comes back on Ajira, “FLOCKE” has been on the island all along!
Ardent very good….. however if your theory about care of the dead…would we not have a bunch of Dharma folk walking about considering they were just dumped in a hole…..Okay okay we have Hoarce telling John about the cabin…..but that seems like a perfect ploy by MIB to lead Locke just where he wants him…..great theory however too many holes needed to bury them all ( pun intended )
Thanks for reading and answering… I don’t know I just thought about this today and figured I’d get it out there. After watching the last episode of last Season, I said to my wife – holy crap, that dude took over Locke’s body… And my wife turned to me and said, no… that’s still Locke… I said how can that be?
And so we went back and fourth like that and I was convinced that she was completely LOST! But now I’m not so sure… I would really like to Know more about the rules of burial on that Island, because when you think about it there seems to be an awful lot of emphasis put on burial scene’s. I mean we all can come up with a ton of them that we viewed over the years…
Your Casimir explanation makes sense, I believe that plays a part in the end but I agree, I no longer believe that this MIB dude has “body snatched ” Locke. (which by the way is a great analogy)
They have made time travel credible enough to us to sink our teeth into, I’m not sure I believe that people or smoke monster’s can take over bodies though.
One more thought. If Jack & Co. are living in 1977 & Locke/Ben/Sun are in 2007, and they are both on the island at the same time, how could that be so? I mean I know they are living in different times, but they are experiencing the events in real time – almost like when Sawyer/Juliet/Jin/Locke were shifting through time – they lived in 1952 for a little while, but came back to the present and continued on that timeline, they didn’t go back a half to when they left or at least it didn’t seeem so. What if everything that ever happened on the Island is always happening at the same time?
Okay I gotta quit, I can’t keep my eyes open… thank again for the comments and feedback.
Hey AK. I can categorically say they are not living out events simultaneously but in different time periods. (But I feel your pain! 😉 )
This could be true…. As Matthew fox stated(read on wiki) that the “charators of Jack shephard and JOHN LOCKE will come head to head in the final season….. I really hope so bc I want to see the real Locke as he is my 2nd fav char behind well….. Charlie 🙂
here is one issue i have with flocke being locke. the discussion he has with jacob before jacob is stabbed, he uses the same wording and style as nemesis/MIB. just because locke is more in tune with the island doesn’t mean he would know jacob and MIB’s conversations.
Why is it so hard to believe there are two or more Lockes? Time travel creates “multiples”. For example: One Locke is in 1954, another one is born two years later. Each one with different conciousness. One Locke is in the coffin the other one got an advice from Richard to kill himself.
What if one of these Lockes figured out how to break his loop and somehow ended up on the island the same time or before the Ajira plane crashed?
Though I have to say the discussion about the “loophole” is what makes things difficult about this theory.