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Romulus, Remus & So Much More…

Ok, so I was doing some reading in Lostpedia to brush up, and I stumbled into something quite interesting… I started digging and digging, pulling the string, and I kept running into more and more… well, “coincidences”… and I was thinking to myself: “this is too much, there’s too many links here for this to be purely arbitrary”… So let me know what you think, but I’m having a hard time thinking this is pure chance. This may not be what the writers end up using as explanations for what’s going on, but I certainly think that they are using a lot of this stuff to build on the LOST world, and give it some solid background…

I’m quoting here a lot of stuff researched on the web, mostly Lostpedia and Wikipedia, but also other places. I’ve tried to acknowledge quotes everywhere, but apologies if I missed something. I’m merely “connecting the dots here”, and trying to relate well-established historical facts to our “Lost Universe” in an attempt to make some sense of this all, and perhaps shed some light on what might be behind this whole mystery….

Some days ago I was investigating the “latin” element in Lost (I seem to be obsessed with this lately), and started by doing that simple search in Lostpedia: “latin”. First hit: Tabula Rasa

Ludi Incipiant (let the games begin)…

Tabula Rasa and John Locke

(Tabula Rasa is the title of the 3rd episode in Season 1, right after the two Pilots).
Wikipedia tells us that the term tabula rasa literally means “blank slate”, and is a philosophical thesis that states that individuals are born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes from experience and perception. In the 12th century, the Andalusian-Islamic philosopher and novelist Ibn Tufail demonstrated the theory of
tabula rasa as a thought experiment through his novel Hayy ibn Yaqzan, in which he depicted the development of the mind of a “feral child” (I’ll get to this in a minute) from a tabula rasa to that of an adult, in complete isolation from society on a desert island (really?? an island??!!), through experience alone. The Latin translation of his philosophical novel, entitled Philosophus Autodidactus, published by Edward Pococke the Younger in 1671, had an influence on John Locke’s (hmmm, I’m sure I’ve heard that name before…) formulation of tabula rasa” in his work “An Essay Concerning Human Understanding”. As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born “blank”, and it also emphasized the individual’s freedom to author his or her own soul (I can’t help thinking, after reading this, of Lost-character-Locke’s famous phrase: “don’t tell me what I can’t do!”).

Some further research on this Ibn Tufail in Wikipedia shows that his works and ideas influenced people like…. John Locke (as im you-know-who), David Hume (as in Desmond), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (as in Danielle)…

So, as a starting point, interesting to see what the writers titled this first episode after the pilot, hinting that everything that may have happened before the crash did not matter: it was a new beginning for all the survivors. A clean slate. A tabula rasa. Literally for convict-Kate in her first “centric” episode, or for Locke with his new set of legs… but implicitly for all the other survivors. What they did from then on would define their future. It was up to them… I am convinced this was intentional and a direct wink to the school of empiricism

But if my reasoning does not convince you, check out the more recent quote by Jacob while speaking to Richard in front of the fire after his arrival in the island:

“(…) That man who sent you to kill me believes that everyone is corruptible because it is in their very nature to sin. I bring people here to prove him wrong. And when they get here, their past doesnt matter.”

… need anything more specific?

Feral Children and The Noble Savage

So, what’s this thing called a “feral child”? Wikipedia explains that a “feral child” is a human child who has lived isolated from human contact from a very young age, and has no (or little) experience of human care, loving or social behavior, and, crucially, of human language. These mythical children are often depicted as having superior strength, intelligence and morals compared to “normal” humans (hmmm, remind you of our favourite white- and black-shirted friends??), the implication being that because of their upbringing they represent humanity in a pure and uncorrupted state: similar to “the noble savage”…

The myth of “the noble savage”, again from Wikipedia, talks about the concept of the natural man, unencumbered by either civilization or divine revelation. The idea that in a state of nature humans are essentially good is often attributed to the 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury, who postulated that the moral sense in humans is natural and innate and based on feelings rather than resulting from the indoctrination of a particular religion. For him, humans were neither good nor bad, but they possessed a moral sense based on the emotion of sympathy, and this emotion was the source and foundation of human goodness and benevolence. Like many of his contemporaries, Shaftesbury was reacting to Hobbes’s famous formulation (in justification of royal absolutism), that in a state of nature men are depraved and their lives are “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.

Wow, so one side thinks that, in a state of nature, humans are essentially good… and the other side believes that in the same state of nature, men are depraved. This is beginning to sound more and more like our adorable Jacob and MIB… Let’s see that quote again:

“(…) That man who sent you to kill me believes that everyone is corruptible because it is in their very nature to sin. I bring people here to prove him wrong. And when they get here, their past doesnt matter.”

Anthony Cooper Times Two

But wait, there’s more…. Wanna know who else thought that man was born with the potential for goodness? How about Jean-Jacques Rousseau…? And guess who saw in JJ Rousseau their source for philosophical inspiration….? The Jacobins of the French Revolution!!! Well, this is simply too much…… or is it?

No, no, no…. there’s more, much more! Wanna know the name of that Shaftesbury who defended the intrinsic “goodness” in men? Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury and grand-son of Anthony Cooper (1st Earl of Shaftesbury), who had diametrically opposing views on the nature of men and defended that men were essentially bad. Oh, and by the way, his marriage to Lady Dorothy Manners was arranged by none other than… John Locke (!!!!), who incidentally played a key role in teaching Latin to the 3rd Earl…!!!

Wow, is this for real???

So, let’s recap…. We have a man called Anthony Cooper who believes that men are essentially bad, who is very close friends with John Locke, and whose latin-speaking grand-son (also called Anthony Cooper) promotes Locke’s views that men are in fact essentially good… Does this ring any bells in terms of the thoughts and beliefs of the Lost-Universe Anthony Cooper and John Locke?? If that’s not direct correlation, then what is…???

Feral Children Revisited

So, back to this concept of the “feral child” because it looks very promising from a “Lost-Universe” point of view… There are many such children myths throughout history (Mowgli from Kipling’s “Jungle Book”, Tarzan from Rice Burroughs’ “Tarzan of the Apes”, Enkidu from “The Epic of Gilgamesh”, Atalanta from Greek mythology…), but the one case in particular that inevitably drew my attention here is that of the twins Romulus and Remus. From Wikipedia: Roman legend has it that Romulus and Remus, twin sons of Rhea Silvia and Mars, were raised by wolves. Rhea Silvia was a priestess, and when it was found that she had been pregnant and had had children, the local King Amulius ordered her to be buried alive and for the children to be killed. The servant who was given the order set them in a basket on the Tiber river instead and the children were taken by Tiberinus, the river god, to the shore where a she-wolf found them and raised them until they were discovered as toddlers by a shepherd (hold on, is that “shepherd” or “Shephard”??) named Faustulus. He and his wife Acca Larentia, who had always wanted a child but never had one, raised the twins, who would later figure prominently in the events leading up to the founding of Rome (named after Romulus, who eventually killed Remus in a fight over whether the city should be founded on the Palatine Hill or the Aventine Hill).

Ok, so we have two “feral children” (twins, to be exact), Romulus and Remus, with superior powers, who are raised by a shepherd and eventually one kills the other over an argument…

Let’s try and rephrase that: we have two children, MIB and Jacob, with superior powers, who are raised by a (Christian) Shephard and eventually one kills the other over an argument…

When was the script of Lost written again…??

Is It Really Them, Though?

Well, I’m not saying it is… But check this out, if you’re not convinced that MIB and Jacob might just be a modern version of Romulus and Remus, here’s another “wink” from the producers:

The knife that MIB gives to Richard to kill Jacob…. the exact same knife given by Dogen to Sayid to kill MIB… Guess what’s engraved on the side of the knife…? Well, if it ain’t a depiction of the she-wolf Lupa suckling Romulus and Remus?!?!?!?! (You can check this out on Lostpedia).

Re-Cap Before My-Nap

Now….. I’m definitely not sure how all of this fits together with Lost, and what parts might be genuinely hinted at by the producers, or which parts may not. But there definitely are toooooo many coincidences for this to be simply that: a coincidence…

1. The philosophical struggle between innate benevolence or depravation, good and bad, within a human soul, supported by John Locke and Anthony Cooper — both inside Lost, and in real history…

2. The thought experiment by Ibn Tufail about a “feral child” in a desert island developing from a tabula rasa to an adult… mimicking the trips that each and everyone of the island inhabitants is going through since their arrival at the island…

3. The super-powered, latin-speaking “feral” twin brothers Romulus (MIB) and Remus (Jacob), raised by a (Christian) Shephard, with fratricidal blood in their veins… I think this could give some meaning to the Latin-element in Lost and its importance in everything Jacob-related…

4. By all means, it looks like Jack will be the candidate to replace Jacob. And, incidentally Jack = Jacob in some historic references, and Jacob comes from the Hebrew “he who supplants”… So, will Jack “supplant” Jacob/Remus??? … And will he give in to his “fratricidal tendencies” and kill his way-out-there sister Claire in an attempt to prevent her from killing Kate? (Now, there’s a thought!!!)

5. All those names popping up and interacting both in Lost and in real life…. Rousseau…. Hume…. Cooper…. Locke…. Shephard….. What are the odds?

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6 thoughts on “Romulus, Remus & So Much More…

  1. Interesting. I personally don’t do any comparisons between Lost and other books/movies/shows. I normally find these types of theories to be boring, pointless, and insufficient. The writers obviously aren’t going to blatently copy an exact movie or book.

    Why haven’t I seen any Indiana Jones theories on here? That movie’s been mentioned in the show about 429 times within this season alone.

    This was a fun read though. I wouldn’t doubt if many others have written about this already, but who cares? Like you said, there are some ridiculously striking similarities going on here. Good catch on the knife too.

  2. I like this theory a lot, very well written and everything is pretty backed up. I dont think the whole lost story is based on this but there definitely seem to be a lot of parallels. I mean how the hell can it be a coincidence the R&R are on that knife what are the chances of that???

    Not too sure about Christian raising them i dont think that will happen and the only evidence presented for that really is his name but apart from that good spots and really good theory, i think this one ill look back on after the finale!!

  3. @chief & @whatis,

    Thanks for the comments. It’s great to see others’ views after presenting something that took a long time to write.

    @whatis, I too was a bit “iffy” on the Christian-parent thing, but the name coincidence was there so I had to throw it in! Plus, we are yet to determine what Jack and Claire’s father’s role is in this whole story – he is probably the most mysterious character left on the show, with so many open questions, and I wouldn’t discard a Christian-centric episode before the finale to clear many remaining mysteries!

  4. Great post! I love theories like these that connect history/mythology together with lost. I think the writers draw a lot of inspirations from things such as what you have presented. I agree with Chief that they wouldn’t copy anything directly but I do think they get their ideas and hint at what is to come through historical and cultural references.

  5. @claireblueeyes,

    I completely agree with your comment – we are too far down the line to suddenly go: “oh, yeah, and by the way, MIB is Romulus and Jacob is Remus and the island is not an island, it’s ancient Rome”… But the connections are definitely there and I think these “coincidences” are constant “winks” to those of us who want to take the LOST experience a little further…

    I’m glad you enjoyed the post, I sure did enjoy writing it! As I kept on running into these facts I felt more and more anxious to write the post and share on this forum.

  6. This is a fantastic read.
    We are definitely on the same page digging into Losts philosophical closet.

    You did a great job breaking down and presenting the information, much more easy to take in than my recent theory, I love including Cooper and his tie in with the real Locke, something that was talked about long ago…and Lost in the shuffle over time.

    I completely agree with Chief that the show will conclude in its own way, and Jacob and MIB will not directly represent R & R, or any of the other references or allusions given on Lost…it will create its own legend for people to compare future books and TV shows on in the future…
    But the obviousness of its allusions and references cant be ignored, and they are to steer us in the right direction, or confuse us right out of the truth…time will tell.

    On the note of “feral children”, one cannot ignore Karl in the wake of all the other characters.
    He was Alexs boyfriend, and whether he was born on the island, or manipulated in room 23, he is very distant from a world we all know.

    He is asked by Sawyer if he knows the Brady Bunch after calling him “Bobby”, to which Karl has no clue.
    ALso when he and Kate are talking about where the other children are, he states that they are giving them a better life…when Kate asks “Better than what?”, He replies…

    “Better than yours…”

    Karl was long away from the comforts of television and current events. I think he may be a good example of this logic.

    With no contact with the outside world, Karl is able to be manipulated and kept blank, for them to fill his head with whatever the ultimate purpose of “Room 23” is…

    Good theory, got my mind working…let me know what you think about Karl…

    And if anyone has any clue to his origin…I would love to hear it…

    I was going to say Henry Gale could have been his father and Ben took him…but looking up info on Lostpedia about him…it doesnt quite fit.
    I do hope that Karls background will get at least touched upon, and that he could have been named after Karl Marx, although Im not sure the shoe fits in this particular case, but what the hell…

    The only thing I could find to possibly relate this is this quote…

    Marx…
    “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

    Karl in room 23 is the first time we saw “God loves you as he loved Jacob”…it has to mean something, no?

    Great post again fresnele, I really love the way you conquered this topic.

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